Those who advocate abortion have already been born. Agree or Disagree?
Marcel - I like the controversy this poll created. Very entertaining.
Always fun schooling young liberals on the folly of their ways.
I don't see where the folley is.
Scotty - we're so lucky to have you :-)
Indeed you are. This entire network would be nothing without me.
Ha! 11% percent (apparently) can't read.
First question I have actually got angry while reading. Please don't use your ability to ask questions to present biased statements for no reason. Idk if you were trying to prove something but I don't see any benefit in this.
It's just a yes or no question. Relax.
He has a right to post, you have a choice to not follow.
I don't understand the question?
Loved the question, interesting point, but I had to rate it bad because it was agree disagree in the question, and FRICKIN DISAGREE AGREE IN THE ANSWER!!!! Ragerageragerage :)
Laughed out loud when I read this poll. Nice.
This is the strangest, most biased question I have seen on SoH.
Actually it's quite logic and makes a brilliant point.
I'm extremely pro-life and I think it's a stupid question that makes no point...
Same. Marcel is just biased.
I am also pro-life and I think it is a ridiculous question.
Oh, mission accomplished, continue with the insults if they make you feel better
Oh, don't worry Marcel, we've learned to ignore you.
@scotty you obviously don't know the definition of brilliant. The question does make a point, but that point is a very narrow minded view of reality.
Those who are born had no say in the matter
Agree or disagree?
No one asked me to admit it. You just make assumption after assumption but I don't really care because I can tell you're not too bright.
Wrong one, sorry
Ohai ... I agree wholeheartedly. And because these numbskulls had no say in the matter of their own birth, isn't is hypocritical for them to assert that they should have a say in the matter for others?
Kenya has restrictive abortion laws.
What does that have to do with anything?
There was a poll about where Obama should have a library built and Marcel kept repeating Kenya.
I think it's fun to use it in his polls where I can.
That's pretty funny, but if I were you I wouldn't get Marcel started on Kenya. As proved by the library poll, he'll repeat the same comment over and over like a 4 year old who just got a laugh out of his mom and dad. I think he has a serious problem.
Easy to say what you want behind a screen isn't it bud?
Oh yeah kudos, that Kenya comment actually have me a chuckle lol
Same thing goes for you marcel, you were rather immature on that poll.
Yes Ed, point taken. However, I never call anyone out and insult them like a pussy.
You just did.
But if you're gonna act like a jackass don't complain when you're treated like one.
Do you see me complaining?
If you have to call people out on insulting you when you act like a jackass 90% of the time, then you're complaining.
Yeah it's quite clear you don't know what that word means
Looks like you can't deal with criticism.
I don't know where you've been, but if I couldn't deal with criticism, I would have deleted this app a long time ago
I get what other people are saying about me, but you're not making any sense, try again later
You're a troll most of the time anyways so whatever comes at you is expected, however when someone calls you out on how act(like skar did) you don't seem to take it very well.
You're confused sir. There have been many people who have, and I just felt like addressing skar. No hard feeling AHAHHA
Nah, you just don't want to admit it, just like you don't want to admit that this poll was stupid.
Lol, move onto personal insults because you have no other way to respond, thought you were better than that.
Trying to move on, and pointing out you're not bright based on the way you talk. Bye
Lol, you aren't to bright yourself. Certainly made yourself look pretty stupid a couple comments below.
Is the fetus a person or not? You can't arbitrarily determine when a fetus becomes human. It's either upon conception or after birth. This isn't about taking rights away from women, this is about determining when a fetus is a person.
Why is it that in an ideal conservative world, a young pregnant woman would be forced to have her baby, and then she wouldn't receive a single penny of government aid to help care for said baby?
It seems like conservatives care so much about unborn babies, and then when the babies are born they couldn't give a flying f@ck about them. That's so hypocritical it hurts to think about it.
Exactly. They complain about a woman wanting an abortion because the life of the baby is so important, so instead she gives birth, and like she already knew, she is unable to care for the baby. Yet these same people wanting her to give birth aren't
willing to give their money to financially help. And on top of that they almost condemn the woman for not properly taking care of baby when they themselves aren't willing to help. I'm not talking about all pro-life people, just most of the ones I've
We don't support a woman (or a man) killing their child as a means of shirking responsibility for their actions and lack of foresight.
We also don't support the idea that government is an all-knowing parent who should be given more power for the sake of convenience.
We're all in favor of the parents receiving the help that they need to provide for their child's basic needs (food/water/shelter/ clothing). We just believe that private charities and churches are the proper, Constitutional source of said help.
Skar ... did the "conservatives" participate in the woman's pleasure in creating the baby? If not, why should they be expected to pay for the results?
If the woman (and the man) can't support the child that results, why are they having sex?
Those who advocate pro-life have already been born as well.
Of course! The unborn would vote for banning abortion if they could since it's their life that could be ending.
I and my brother could have easily been abortions.
I stand with the right to choose though. Because I know that sometimes that choice is necessity.
Same here Kris.
@Kris, Are you referring to a medical emergency such as an ectopic pregnancy where both mother AND child are near certain to die?
Or are you referring to 'My baby daddy left me, and I got no job'?
Because only one of those has even a grain of merit.
This is a ridiculous question. I think you're trying to stack up your red answers, too.
Why is it that conservatives consistently fail to realize that Roe v. Wade was 40 years ago? Abortion is never going to be made illegal again, so stop trying. It's just plain sad at this point.
Yeah and slavery was legal for 70+ years, women couldn't vote for 130 years, and Jim Crow was the law for about 100 years. All of which were changed. The amount of time a law is on the books has no significance whatsoever.
It has significance if it's progress. Women's right to vote didn't go away, did it? So why should the right to choose?
Eagle, are you saying that giving women a right to do what they wish with their own bodies is akin to slavery? That seems a wee bit extreme, doesn't it?
Skarface, no I'm saying that Roe v. Wade being 40 years ago has no significance.
And I don't believe a fetus is "the woman's body". Therefore, I believe that fetus has rights, including the right to life.
Yes, but abolition of slavery, women's suffrage, and all of those other things were all steps in the right direction, just like Roe v. Wade.
You're right, but his point is that it's beating a dead horse. I'm sure there were those 40 years after women's suffrage who still stomped their feet and cried and a lot of good it did them.
That's your opinion. I believe Roe v. Wade was a step in the wrong direction.
But a woman is involved pretty heavily in the whole "giving birth" thing that I've been hearing so much about lately. I don't think that a woman should ever be forced to go through that if they don't want to. It seems well painful, doesn't it?
Yeah, probably. But I bet it's painful to be killed also. Especially in late term abortions, the baby can feel pain.
Who said anything about late-term abortions? Roe v. Wade doesn't allow them except in extreme circumstances regarding the health of the mother....
@eagle, late term abortions are illegal in many places. Are you imagining a very prominently pregnant woman going into a clinic? Because that's not what it usually is.
I will NEVER stop standing up for the civil rights (including the right to life) of the youngest and most defenseless members of our society.
This is a terrible wrong that is worth spending the rest of my life trying to make right.
And the tide is turning. More and more young folks every day, who would self-identify strongly with libertarianism, are coming to see that one's civil rights must begin with the right to life.
When the right to life is denied, the rights to free speech, the press, religion, keeping/bearing arms, freedom from search and seizure, freedom from self-incrimination, and all the rest, are denied as well.
We must stand, and many more every day are standing up, for all of the rights of our youngest and most helpless members of society.
You stand for non-persons, but not for full equality under the law for your brothers and sisters. Okay.
I don't believe that government should be involved in marriage at all.
But don't create a shifting target. Stay on topic here.
Pinky, all of your statements presuppose that a fetus is a "life," and unfortunately for you, many disagree with you. And also unfortunately for you, anti-abortion legislation has continued and will continue to get shut down.
Please don't use the "her own body argument. It's old and ineffective
If that's ineffective, then I'm afraid where this country is headed...
By whose standards? The "men can tell women what to do with their bodies" argument is the one that is old and ineffective. Welcome to the 21st century, where women have a choice!
Oh you got me there. Because Im pro life, I automatically think we should go pre-1920s where women have no say. That's my stance:
No, you're somewhere in between where you think women should have a say only sometimes when you think it's okay. Women should ALWAYS have a say regarding their own bodies. As should men.
No. I believe women have just as much say as men over everything as long as it doesn't involve terminating potential life.
So I'm assuming you only engage in procreative sex because anything else is "terminating potential life."
That's what it is. Potential life. Potential life is not a person. Even sperm is potential life! Come on man.
There's this thing called protection
Protection ends potential to life too. Wanna ban that, as well?
No masturbation for men, because that's potential life!
Sperm is not potential life. A zygote is. Don't play stupid
Why does a zygote have more potential than a sperm? Both carry human DNA.
Not sure what's more potential than swimming fertilizers...
Her body, her choice.
The child, while temporarily dependent on the mother for sustenance, is a separate, independent entity which the mother has no authority to murder.
And let's be honest here, the child is still dependent on the mother for the sustainment of life for years after birth as well.
Do you support the mothers ability to kill her child post-partum? Because that's what intellectual honesty and logical consistency demand.
The fact is, the woman has no right to murder her child either before, or after it has exited the womb.
"And let's be honest here, the child is still dependent on the mother for the sustainment of life for years after birth as well." Completely false. Such sustenance can be provided without the assistance of the birth mother. It's called adoption?
And your statements contain nothing close to "logical consistency." You're just spewing out your uneducated and closed-minded opinions which have no foundation in science, unlike those arguments upon which pro-choice arguments are based.
You can't be "pro-choice" and not be advocating for the right to abortion which essentially is abortion. And if you look at videos of how most clinics handle the topic of abortion, they certainly aren't against it.
youtu.be/DTHOgoGBUkw not only are they supporting abortion but seeming to, maybe not "advocate", but consciously allow rape.
No one advocates abortion - they advocate choice
Choice to have an abortion....
Or to have a baby
Yeah, by that logic, the choice to have a baby makes all pro-lifers "pro-choice" as well
No - they want no choice - they want only to be able to have a baby
No it doesn't, because pro-lifers only give the choice to have a baby. That's not pro-choice by any standards.
The woman has no moral right to murder her child.
Skar ... all laws against murder only give us the right to life. Your point is a nonsensical one!
Abortion is murder, legalizing it doesn't change the fact that it is murder -- murder of an innocent life!
There is no such thing as pro-abortion.
Pro-choice is the word you are looking for. That does not mean one advocates abortion, but one who feels it is right to let others make their own choices.
Why is it choices? Why do you guys make this plural? It's ONE choice. Whether to have an abortion or not.
No. There are many choices. There is abortion, there is keeping it, there is adoption.
A woman who chooses to adopt a child then, then goes back on it, is no worse than someone who has an abortion.
The "choice" is whether a baby lives or not. All the other choices you listed are part of the original choice to not kill the baby.
A fetus is not a baby.
There are choices, yes, but making that fetus live, does not mean it will live well.
I'm not going to argue this.
@Kris, That developing child, if left unmolested, will grow into an adult human being just like you or I. It is a person.
Please don't fall into the same trap that every barbaric, statist regime has fallen into of dehumanizing certain parts of society.
It never ends well for those being dehumanized.
We aren't dehumanizing anything. A fetus is not a person. And going through with a full-term pregnancy is very destructive to a woman's body, and it should be her choice and her choice alone whether or not she should undergo the process.
Kris ... you and the word police can attempt to remove the pro-abortion stain from your movement, but you will fail. The pro-abortion movement has nothing to do with choice. It is all about stealing the choice from the unborn child.
A fetus is incapable of making a "choice." Its brain development leaves it incapable of performing more than basic biological functions.
It is pro-choice. Not pro-abortion. Pro-life is robbing the choice of a woman about what her body undergoes.
I take issue with this question, primarily the "advocate abortion" portion. Pro-choice and pro-abortion are not the same thing.
Agree 100%. There are in fact pro-abortion people in the world, but that doesn't apply to many pro-choice people.
So what choice are you supporting exactly?
The choice of a woman to do what she pleases with her own body.
Yeah, that means one thing. Everyone is "pro-choice" in that sense, minus the one thing: abortion
Who are you to say what the exception is?
Logic, the ONE difference between pro-choice and pro-life is abortion.
Just because you don't condemn something doesn't mean you condone it. Your logic is flawed.
To be "pro" something: to want it, desire it. When you make a pro and con list, the pros are good and cons are bad. I can guarantee no pro-choice people think abortions are good, nor do they want them or
desire them. Hence the term "pro-choice"...to want, desire, and support a right to make the choice. I will never support government control of what a woman can or can't do in that situation, nobody knows what it's like to be a pregnant woman in hard
situations like that unless you've been through it. And even if you have been through it, your beliefs and actions should not be able to dictate another woman's beliefs and actions.
To fail to condemn something immoral IS to SUPPORT it. See Nazi Germany. A lot of Germans would've said that they weren't pro-Holocaust. But by not standing up against the Holocaust, they complicitly supported it by their silence.
As a historian, I would never accuse those who were separate from the Holocaust of supporting it. Only those who perpetuated it. Condemning and not condoning are, again, not the same thing.
Pro-choice people are selfish.
How am I selfish?
And how am I selfish?
And how am I selfish as well?
Would you like a comforter to go atop that massive blanket statement?
Care to elaborate? You seem to have confused quite a few people.
Those who seek to insure the furtherance of their own comfortable and convenient lifestyle by causing or allowing their child to be murdered, ARE selfish.
Those who fail to speak up against that selfishness ARE supporting it by their silence.
1.) It isn't murder. 2.) Comfort and convenience? Really? 3.) As stated in other locations on this poll, not condemning something and condoning it are not the same thing.
They think that they have power over a unborn child just because they put there self out there. They are muderers and they are sick. If you get a abortion just because you don't want to live with it than you are a cold blooded killer.
I agree we've been born but that argument is ridiculous.
No, it's brilliant. You're advocating for a policy that had it been used on you, you wouldn't be around to advocate for it in the first place.
Scotty - don't go there!
He makes a valid point, @Earlybird. A child in the womb, given the choice, would not be in favor of abortion.
Pinky- it's funny how different we think yet still get along and respect each other. :-p
Well obviously. I'm not really getting the point of this question...Except maybe trying to get pro-choice people to feel bad?
Feel bad about what?
Maybe you're trying to make them feel bad for not conforming to your particular value system? Just a thought.
Well, they obviously have already been born..... Lol
But what happens if they were aborted;)