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rebelfury76 July 6th, 2013 11:10am

Should government employees be personally liable for their actions on the job?

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jonfrei the boonies
07/06/13 11:59 am

A long as they operate within the law, sovereign immunity must apply - outside the law, they should be hung out to dry & on their own.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
07/06/13 1:30 pm

What if the law is clearly unconstitutional?

jonfrei the boonies
07/06/13 1:54 pm

If it is so clearly unconstitutional, how did it become law..?

NUwriter
07/06/13 6:53 pm

Jonfrel, if the Federal Government can interpret the Constitution unilaterally, then it should surprise no one that they will interpret it to their benefit.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
07/06/13 8:17 pm

Because thugs don't care about the constitution.

Fjolsvin Midgard
07/06/13 11:18 am

As a federal employee, I believe that we should be as liable as any other job. If you are negligent or malicious then expect to be held accountable. By the way that's what I do in my org I hold gov accountable for spending and waste.

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NUwriter
07/06/13 6:54 pm

Everything the Federal Government does is waste.

Fjolsvin Midgard
07/06/13 7:42 pm

Not everything, in my group we objectively monitor water flow, supply and quality across state lines and provide services to hundreds of individuals, businesses and other agencies as well as state of the art flood warning from rivers to small streams

Fjolsvin Midgard
07/06/13 7:43 pm

I agree there are failed programs and many that shouldn't e it's but there is good work being done out there by people who actually care and understand that it is the people's money and time therefore it must be used wisely

shellybaxter1234 Peaceful Place
07/06/13 10:49 am

I am a government employee - kind of - community college - and my husband is a federal government employee. I can be sued civility if I am negligent and carry special insurance because I am in a management job. My husband declined

shellybaxter1234 Peaceful Place
07/06/13 10:50 am

A supervisory role partially due to the fact that there would be no additional pay but he would have had to acquire special insurance

EarlyBird Portland
07/06/13 6:59 am

People need to take responsibility for their actions, or lack of, in all aspects of their life. Including their job.

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pinkyusuck The Carribean. I wish.
07/06/13 6:02 am

Yes, to a certain extent. If they knew, or reasonably should have known, that their actions were unlawful and/or un-Constitutional, then yes.
If they only did the action at a supervisor's behest, then both should be liable. The supervisor more so.

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JollyMan93 Big Sky Guy
07/06/13 6:45 am

Hell ill say it all day long even when I join the military or don't. I don't approve of Obama or anyone like him. Is your brother an officer? Officers I know can't speak out but enlisted can and should!

pinkyusuck The Carribean. I wish.
07/06/13 3:11 pm

Um...What? Can you rephrase and clarify please?

JollyMan93 Big Sky Guy
07/06/13 4:37 am

I'm a gov employee and we are responsible for our actions. They're pretty strict here about certain things.

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rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
07/06/13 4:38 am

I mean civilly liable. If you do misdeeds no one can sue YOU, they can only sue your organisation.

JollyMan93 Big Sky Guy
07/06/13 4:39 am

Oh I see. Well either way I answered yes

JollyMan93 Big Sky Guy
07/06/13 4:41 am

The thing I hate though is they're super strict about what you can say. Limiting your freedom of speech seems to be more important then how well you do the job

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
07/06/13 4:44 am

Care to elaborate?

JollyMan93 Big Sky Guy
07/06/13 5:10 am

You have to take a stupid meeting on what not to say basically. I got in trouble for assuming this guy was Italian from New Jersey. Stupid shit like that. You have to watch what you say and it's dumb!

JollyMan93 Big Sky Guy
07/06/13 5:18 am

Yet there's reverse discrimination within the gov. For instance black only tdy's! That's bs. My mom quit the state dept. cuz of that crap. She works for the navy now

Liberty 4,032,064
07/06/13 5:23 am

It's not "reverse discrimination." It's just discrimination; there's no default setting.

JollyMan93 Big Sky Guy
07/06/13 5:24 am

Ok it's still discrimination which the fed is so big on and against yet they're doing it

goalie31 OrthodoxCatholicChristian
07/06/13 6:42 am

servicemen have no freedom of speech when in uniform. My brother when I asked about Obama the one time said and I quote, "He is my commander and chief.". not answering my question at all.

JollyMan93 Big Sky Guy
07/06/13 7:06 am

Is your brother an officer? Enlisted last I check have a right to speak out off duty. Bush was big about free speech. This pres thinks he's royalty

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
07/06/13 7:09 am

Goalie. That's not some regulation, that's just how most military folks are programmed.

JollyMan93 Big Sky Guy
07/06/13 7:20 am

Also if you talk to most military personal they'll tell you up front they hate the guy

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
07/06/13 8:29 am

^ petty officer second class, USNR

I really hate the guy. Goes for 99% of congress too.

Liberty 4,032,064
07/06/13 4:13 am

Private employees can be given massive fines by regulatory agencies. There should be no exception for government employees, especially on cases where serious, violent crimes haver been committed.

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rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
07/06/13 4:37 am

Agreed, such as the case in one of my most recent polls. The people of the city shouldn't pay for the actions of a criminal with a badge and a gun.