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Show Of Hands July 5th, 2013 2:40pm

Due to the one-year delay in the 2014 employer health insurance mandate, consumers will now just self-report their eligibility for up to $5k a year in Federal aid to buy personal insurance. Will people be honest, or game the system?

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kitty10964 Illinois
07/11/13 6:50 pm

I have no faith in humanity. I used to, but I learned because I got hurt. I try to see the best in people but in this case, they just won't be honest

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MJSeals J.D.
07/10/13 1:53 pm

Government is NOT the solution, Government IS the problem!

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TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
07/10/13 11:00 am

It's naive to believe that people won't cheat the system.

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Octopus
07/08/13 1:10 pm

Obviously some people will game the system, but I believe most will be honest. I know I would be honest, my family would be honest, and I'm sure most of all your families would be honest as well.

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cowboy Doors of Perception
07/08/13 10:52 am

We tried to warn you America! What a cluster fuck!

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cdukarm colorado
07/07/13 6:50 pm

Well those 91% who would lie those auditors will be a bitch when they catch u

Brrrrrrrrr
07/09/13 2:48 pm

The question doesn't ask what you would do, it asks what people will do.

juiceman1601 Alton Il.
07/07/13 11:21 am

Under the surface, and it's not just an American anomaly, lies in wait people who either grew up in or have figured out they can game the system. Our problem here in my humble opinion is we have too many programs and oversight that doesn't work.

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Wycliff Huntington Beach, CA
07/07/13 12:23 am

If they're smart enough to play the system...

elcondor Rural Southern Indiana
07/06/13 7:25 pm

Man, oh man are you democrats willfully blind! Wow.

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emmahz
07/06/13 7:47 am

There will be people who do both. That seems pretty clear to me.

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ScrewU Gone
07/06/13 4:12 am

What happens in a year when $10bil in business fines is still politically unpalatable? Are they going to keep pushing back full implementation and just keep printing money to pay for "free" health care?

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glyiker America
07/05/13 10:16 pm

That's a really stupid question.

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nightcrow44 the dark side
07/05/13 9:54 pm

How much of a mess does Obamacare have to be before these lame duck politicians do something to repeal this Obamanation?

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snacks East Bumfart
07/05/13 8:59 pm

Can you believe congress is trying to have their aides exempt because it's too costly?

Is this a farce or what?

F obamacare

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rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
07/05/13 8:13 pm

Hahahaha this system is gonna crash and burn, I can't wait.

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mcdkm Houston
07/05/13 7:58 pm

Really? You had to ask.

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pinkyusuck The Carribean. I wish.
07/05/13 7:33 pm

If the system can be gamed, it will be gamed.

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hoosierwisdom inner voice
07/05/13 6:22 pm

Can you say disaster?

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DakotaJames seattle
07/05/13 5:59 pm

I like to believe there are a lot more good/honest people than bad people.

danno9
07/05/13 6:19 pm

I think more and more people are oil lowing the example set by congress. Money for nothing, chicks for free.

jameslalder
07/05/13 4:59 pm

Isn't that the same as a voucher system? Except, it's adjusted for self-described need. It's the nastiest amalgamation of the left and right. We have $3,057 billion for a war of civilian casualties, but diddly to healthcare. I'm not so proud, USA. I pay taxes for Americans; that's what I'm proud of.

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shellybaxter1234 Peaceful Place
07/05/13 4:06 pm

I WILL have faith in humanity, I will have faith in humanity, I will have faith in humanity

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magnum
07/05/13 4:35 pm

Lol, it is pretty depressing in here. Although, it's not unrealistic unfortunately.

notalib Trump Supporter
07/05/13 4:05 pm

You are NOT entitled to what I earn, get a job welfare people!

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magnum
07/05/13 4:34 pm

The precedent has already been set. It will only get worse. You can't un-convince people that they don't deserve what isn't theirs to begin with. This is America, where you deserve to be paid just for breathing.

theNobamist Silicon Valley
07/05/13 3:36 pm

The real reason for the delay is the jobs report. People dunked from full- to part-time in the service sector (where most jobs are being created). They also lean Democrat. Add it up: angry poorer voters in 2014, or move it after the mid-terms.

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ScrewU Gone
07/05/13 4:08 pm

As of right now only 47% of adults have full time jobs.

theavgguy I.E.
07/05/13 10:42 pm

People can't pay a mortgage working part time. This house of cards that the progressives have built, will come crashing down, and every aspect of this economy will be injured. Hopefully this ends progressive rule. The signs are already starting to show.

chance Sirnotappearinginthisfilm
07/05/13 5:13 pm

Except Obama doubled down a d amplified every single bad idea Bush had.

theavgguy I.E.
07/05/13 10:35 pm

Why? Bush was behind the wheel, but the liberal congress was in charge of where it went and how fast it got there.

Abolitionist Voice of the people
07/05/13 1:15 pm

I'm so disappointed Obama went with this GOP bullsht instead of supporting a single payer system. This is what happens when you use republican ideals, the insurance companies writes the law.

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roybiker12
07/05/13 1:18 pm

I agree. We certainly don't want to allow individuals to have freedom of choice in healthcare. We know that when government manages big programs that they are less costly & more efficient.

magnum
07/05/13 1:24 pm

@roy, exactly my thoughts. Well said. What cool-aid is that guy drinking?

itsbread Southern California
07/05/13 1:42 pm

You think government manages things better than the private sector? Have you never been to a DMV?

GoNiners
07/05/13 1:50 pm

Or a Post Office?

ScrewU Gone
07/05/13 2:33 pm

Or the VA?

notalib Trump Supporter
07/05/13 3:51 pm

Single payer system is the very thing I'm fighting against.

theavgguy I.E.
07/05/13 10:55 pm

Doctors to survive will only take cash. Have Obamacare? You will have to go to large regional medical centers and wait while you have your healthcare regulated by committee. This is the grim future of healthcare soon to come to a center near you. Enjoy.

ladyniner81 no hope for humanity
07/05/13 12:32 pm

welfare, Social Security, ACLU, NAACP, unions and others were started with good intentions, but then people started to abuse them. Now the people who use these programs for genuine reasons can't because of these cheats. Or, they get lumped in with the abusers, corrupt unions officials.

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ladyniner81 no hope for humanity
07/05/13 12:34 pm

this won't be any different. The frauds, cheaters, and abusers will come out in droves. Lok at our government. They don't have to pay into it at all. That's fraud ain't it?

roybiker12
07/05/13 12:27 pm

ACA is a law of thousands of pages which no one read before passage. Unelected bureaucrats will write tens of thousands of regulations per section of this law. An unelected, unaccountable board will make health decisions for the nation.

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roybiker12
07/05/13 12:28 pm

It's tentacles will touch all aspects of our lives. Business reporting will be massive & costly. Don't delay it, shoot it.

HelloThere2187 Utah
07/05/13 12:14 pm

Wow, when you think Obamacare can't get any dumber, it does.

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NoRelation Arizona
07/05/13 12:01 pm

Every welfare program is already abused. Why would this be any different?

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magnum
07/05/13 1:06 pm

Exactly. Handouts don't work. Teaching people to work for themselves. To save for their own retirement, to not have children until they can afford them is what we need. We don't believe in personal accountability anymore.

dryanmorr
07/05/13 11:46 am

Screw the government.

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doncrane Howard, pa
07/05/13 2:04 pm

It certainly has done it to us in the last three years.

JohnnyBraska Nebraska
07/05/13 11:35 am

So not only are they putting it off so people don't see the effects until after elections, they are using more taxpayer money to buy voters. If it is as great as Obama says it is let them implement it before the election it should gain them voters.

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ilovelamp Trenton
07/05/13 11:31 am

As anything like this people will abuse.

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ScrewU Gone
07/05/13 11:26 am

Another power the president doesn't have... putting off implementing the law of the land for political reasons.

Not to mention they've been lying to congress about how the program was right on track...

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TomM
07/05/13 11:36 am

It would be interesting if someone sued the government for the delay.
They delayed it to help the companies. It's not their fault, of course.

think4yourself Not a safe space
07/05/13 11:19 am

Government has plenty of money to take care of the truly needy but because of all the waste fraud and abuse by the time the money reaches the needy there is not much left.

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ScrewU Gone
07/05/13 11:22 am

Irrelevant. There is nothing in the constitution that permits the federal govt to give away taxpayer money.

think4yourself Not a safe space
07/05/13 5:27 pm

I agree but the left always says they are taking our money to feed the poor and my point is that most of the money they take does not go to"feed the poor". It typically goes to line their own pockets or buy votes.

roybiker12
07/05/13 11:14 am

"When you subsidize poverty and failure, you get more of both." – James Dale Davidson

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craizer
07/05/13 10:58 am

At least some of the democrats appear to believe in their own nonsense. Although their politicians don't.
King Obama only put it off a year so his Dems wouldn't get hurt in next year's election

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elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
07/05/13 5:55 pm

I'm really not sure that is gonna help much. Businesses still laying ppl off &/or cutting hours. Too many are starting to see how this Admin "manages/ignores" anything inconvenient rather than fixing it. Healthcare already being neg affected...

roybiker12
07/05/13 10:42 am

You know things are bad when you can’t even successfully implement your own bad ideas-Bobby Jindal

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Loadmaster Sacto
07/05/13 10:39 am

This nations welfare system, while well intentioned, breeds liars and laziness. Why would this be any different?

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JohnnyBraska Nebraska
07/05/13 11:32 am

Agreed the welfare system is in place for a reason but there is a leach problem. These people are nothing short of criminals and should be treated as such.

lalagirl02 North Carolina
07/05/13 10:38 am

Of course ppl will lie, they will do whatever it takes to make a few thousand dollars extra. The government takes and takes no matter how much u make. Ppl are tired of all the taxation. Taxes were never meant to be used in the way they are today.

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Cruz2016 Rum Bum Beach City
07/05/13 10:49 am

Would you say that we are facing taxation without representation?

Brrrrrrrrr
07/05/13 10:17 am

'The system' is fair game, as its very existence is thanks to games being played with the definition of "tax".
As the saying goes, 2 can play that game.

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FyndFyre Moon Base Alpha
07/05/13 10:12 am

Ha ha! Honest . . . hehe . . . people! HA HA HA HA! That was a joke, right?

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FemmeAdamWest in the Tardis library
07/05/13 10:21 am

probably more like wishful thinking!

suppressedID keep Summer safe
07/05/13 10:12 am

So much for Integrity.

These results are embarrassing.

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FemmeAdamWest in the Tardis library
07/05/13 10:22 am

Who are you embarrassed because of? The people who cheat the system for free stuff or those of us on SOH who voted saying people would cheat the system?

TomM
07/05/13 10:23 am

I'm just a realist.

Cruz2016 Rum Bum Beach City
07/05/13 10:08 am

In general, people tend to suck when it comes to a chance at gaming any system.

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danno9
07/05/13 12:01 pm

Thank you Rand. My 20 years was comparatively easy compared to what our GI's are going through these days. Not only do they have multiple deployments, as my daughter had, they have to put up with political correctness and a clueless CIC.

danno9
07/05/13 10:07 am

As a military retiree I have no idea ow OblowmeCare will affect me. I've heard he wants to double TriCare premiums for the "free medical for life" I was promised every time they wanted me to reenlist. I pay $100/mo for the "free" dental/vision.

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Cruz2016 Rum Bum Beach City
07/05/13 10:53 am

Thx for your service

danno9
07/05/13 12:01 pm

Thank you Rand. My 20 years was comparatively easy compared to what our GI's are going through these days. Not only do they have multiple deployments, as my daughter had, they have to put up with political correctness and a clueless CIC.

hudsondl
07/05/13 2:58 pm

Why is your free medical for life not gaming the system. Everyone working in private sector doesn't get free med for life. VA for military injuries fair just free medical is another game of the system

Cruz2016 Rum Bum Beach City
07/05/13 3:12 pm

Tricare for life is a benefit of the job. For putting in 20years of risking your life for little pay compared to the same jobs in civilian life.

danno9
07/05/13 6:17 pm

Thanks again Rand. Also for spending years away from my wife and three daughters while serving on short tours overseas. You can debate whether or not I earned it. You cannot debate what was promised and then taken away.

hudsondl
07/05/13 9:10 pm

And what of others you risk it all without your government benefit, police, firefighters even inner city teachers

Cruz2016 Rum Bum Beach City
07/05/13 9:17 pm

The difference HUD is that military were promised this and they weren't. The ppl you listed work for state, county and city departments, not the federal government. We thank them for what they do but it is still different. I'm not saying that one...

Cruz2016 Rum Bum Beach City
07/05/13 9:17 pm

...deserves it more than the other just that they're recruited differently. If you feel they should receive the same benefits then lobby for that but don't dare think military doesn't deserve to have promises kept.

hudsondl
07/05/13 9:31 pm

So you are questioning new government health plan because the government changed the rules on your military health care. By the way same as they did to my father and brother

Cruz2016 Rum Bum Beach City
07/05/13 9:38 pm

I can't speak for Danny, but I can tell you that I believe the Affordable Care Act to be the most damaging thing ever done to the quality of life in our country. It may take a decade before its that apparent but it will come. My hope is that...

Cruz2016 Rum Bum Beach City
07/05/13 9:39 pm

...it will be repealed by 2016 or 17. I don't think ppl really know how bad our future looks even w/o the added cost of this piece of legislation. Our children and their children should be ashamed of how we've treated them.

lmurder MDK
07/05/13 9:54 am

We have become socialist. You figure out the answer...it's not that hard.

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duey in a fools paradise
07/05/13 9:44 am

The scam artists have had 3 years to figure out how they will maximize phony claims, how to play the system like SNAP cards, MEDICAID it will be like shooting fish in a barrel for them.

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kermie gaytopia
07/05/13 9:51 am

It's stunning to me how low an impression we have of our fellow human beings. When did this happen and why are we all so bitter about it?

TomM
07/05/13 10:03 am

Because there's so much fraud. Try search for Medicaid and Medicare fraud or food stamp fraud. It's one long horror story.

kermie gaytopia
07/05/13 10:05 am

But there's fraud everywhere Tom. Even your beloved banks and corporations commit fraud. But the occurrence is actually very low compared to all the good honest people who use government services.

TomM
07/05/13 10:09 am

I don't love banks or corporations, but when there's fraud the shareholders loose, that's not my problem if I'm not an owner. This fraud costs the tax payers including me. I'm tired of paying for the fraud.

TomM
07/05/13 10:21 am

In 2010 the administration estimated there was $125 billion in "improper payments" in federal payments to Medicare, unemployment insurance etc. This report says it's not bad.
www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/11/16/improper-payment-progress

kermie gaytopia
07/05/13 11:51 am

Improper payments in Medicare are the fault of shady doctors, not recipients. And even so, that's a handful of people billing the system for large amounts of money, not millions of people defrauding small amounts. Most people do the right thing.

TomM
07/05/13 12:08 pm

Most people are not criminals, but those who are, more than make it up.

kermie gaytopia
07/05/13 12:48 pm

And clearly the system in place to catch these frauds is working. There will always be some fraud but there are ways to catch it and stop it. Should we punish the millions of honest people who need help because of a handful of crooks?

TomM
07/05/13 12:53 pm

No we should help them, but the system is out of control when a group of 89 people can steal 223 million before being stopped.
I also don't see why we should make more systems with the option to commit more fraud.

TomM
07/05/13 12:56 pm

Also note how they needed 400 FBI agents to investigate this. They have dedicated fraud groups to do nothing else than investigate Medicare etc. fraud.

hudsondl
07/05/13 2:59 pm

Duey what medical insurance will you have?

duey in a fools paradise
07/06/13 5:17 am

I provide a plan to our employees and my family through my business. Why do you ask?

Minyanko Tumblr
07/05/13 9:25 am

I guarantee there will be fraud somewhere at some time.

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kermie gaytopia
07/05/13 9:24 am

I don't think people understand the question. This applies only to people who have full-time employment but no insurance. Why would someone who already has insurance lie about it to get included in the pool to spend more of their own money?

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TomM
07/05/13 9:46 am

Anyone who is offered insurance but say no will not be eligible in the exchange. However, they cannot enforce it because companies will not report who's eligible in 2014.

notalib Trump Supporter
07/05/13 8:59 am

Democrats don't want people to know how bad Obamacare really is until after the 2014 election, it's all a political game.

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magnum
07/05/13 9:07 am

I'm guessing he will blame Bush.

ScottyDoesNo Stand back and stand by
07/05/13 9:10 am

When does the left *not* blame him?!

XercesBlue ...
07/05/13 9:16 am

The same day you stop doing the exact same thing?

notalib Trump Supporter
07/05/13 9:25 am

I blame Bush for Obama getting elected.

EarlyBird Portland
07/05/13 10:33 am

Notalib- bingo!

ladyniner81 no hope for humanity
07/05/13 12:37 pm

If you blame Bush for Obama getting elected, you might as well blame Romney for him getting reelected <g>

hudsondl
07/05/13 3:02 pm

EarlyBird exactly right - every action has an equal & opposite reaction, now what will be Obama's reaction