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rebelfury76 July 5th, 2013 11:22am

Unless you're full blooded, still living on a reservation, "native" American you have absolutely no right to be critical of immigrants and are a hypocrite if you are.

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rory82 Virginia
07/06/13 10:32 pm

I'm about 35% Cherokee!!

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Doopy Remedial Americanism
07/06/13 6:40 am

What the hell? I was born here same as anyone else.

TalkPolitics Chevy Chase, MD
07/05/13 9:20 pm

I'm a native immigrant. I am Caucasian so I completely and totally understand where you're coming from Rebs. But this is my home. I was born and raised here. I would die to defend it regardless of where my ancestors came from. My loyalties lie here.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
07/06/13 12:30 am

That's not quite the point of the question.

Bekka Just relaxing...
07/05/13 5:24 pm

My mother's parents were both immigrants, but she is always quick to point out that they were "legal".

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
07/05/13 8:15 pm

And how easy was the process then compared to today?

skinner Jersey City
07/05/13 4:54 pm

Rebel why are you trying to tell us what to do?

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
07/05/13 8:16 pm

I'm not at all. I'm merely pointing out your hypocrisy.

pinkyusuck The Carribean. I wish.
07/05/13 1:11 pm

I was born here. I am a native of the United States.

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Skarface Banned
07/05/13 6:30 pm

Unless you are full blooded Native American, you're an (x) amount of generations immigrant. I was born here, but I'm still a 5th generation immigrant.

Doopy Remedial Americanism
07/06/13 6:43 am

Native Americans immigrated too. Unless you're a woolly mammoth, you've got no special claim to being here.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
07/06/13 7:12 am

I can get on board with that, hope that means you support open immigration

Doopy Remedial Americanism
07/06/13 8:36 am

I had ancestors who were treated as more expendable than slaves.

Doopy Remedial Americanism
07/06/13 8:38 am

Immigration was easier for a lot of people today than for some of my ancestors. I still think it could stand to be easier than it is now.

Jungle in the dog house
07/05/13 12:53 pm

The indians are also immigrants.

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BamaGirl ROLL TIDE from Arizona
07/05/13 11:25 am

So my "Native American" ancestors don't count because they married outside their tribe & managed to avoid the reservations? My closest was my great grandmother who was Cherokee & lived in caves for a while to avoid the Trail of Tears.

BamaGirl ROLL TIDE from Arizona
07/05/13 11:27 am

My most distant was a chief's daughter who married a settler back in the 1600's. There was at least one Creek woman in there, too.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
07/06/13 12:32 am

I think you missed the point. This really only targets those Americans who actively rally against immigration into this country yet refuse to acknowledge that their families immigrated when it was much cheaper and easier to do so.

BamaGirl ROLL TIDE from Arizona
07/06/13 12:54 am

I'm opposed to illegal immigration. I freely acknowledge that I have English, Italian, & Irish ancestors who immigrated legally. I understood your point. You were the one who limited NAs to the reservation.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
07/06/13 1:12 am

Only so many characters, the NA point wasn't the focus of the question. But as I've said before, it's likely your ancestors had it quite a bit easier just walking through Ellis island, comparing it to today isn't really fair.

BamaGirl ROLL TIDE from Arizona
07/06/13 1:17 am

My ancestors where actually pre- Ellis Island. Some of them settled near the Jamestown colony & several fought in the American Revolution. One died traveling back & forth from England. Easier? Not so sure.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
07/06/13 4:11 am

Easier in terms of less bureaucratic nonsense and I'm tempted to say cheaper although that may be debatable.

commonsense America isnt racist
07/05/13 10:43 am

Americans are as native as native America's. it's all about perspective.

As , native Americans came here like everyone else.

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TalkPolitics Chevy Chase, MD
07/05/13 9:21 pm

So really, pure blood Africans living in Africa are the only real natives... Woah...

commonsense America isnt racist
07/05/13 9:25 pm

Heh heh. I guess. But not even them. As studies show that we all come from there.

commonsense America isnt racist
07/06/13 9:04 am

If you don't know much about it, this show is pretty good at explaining it.
You can find it on Netflix.

National Geographic: The Human Family Tree

MrEdwin Mystery
07/05/13 10:42 am

My family has been on this side of the world as long as the natives, I think I can criticize :P

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jms in the middle of Nowhere
07/05/13 10:04 am

The only time I'm critical of immigrants is when they are illegal. Yes, my ancestors were immigrants. And they did it the right way, legally. Once a country is established, everyone should follow the immigration rules. I'm not a hypocrite for that.

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rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
07/05/13 10:12 am

Haha when the process was "get here, sign your name"?

Yeah, thank god they were so law abiding.

Diogenes FreeMeBe
07/05/13 9:44 am

If my tax money is subsidizing you in any way, I reserve the right to criticize.

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dreamitliveit IDLH
07/05/13 12:23 pm

Many immigrants pay into social security and other taxes, and never receive any benefits from it. So really, they're subsidizing you.

NUwriter
07/05/13 8:01 am

You can criticize immigrants. That's your right. You have the right to be a hyprocrite. But to use governent for their violent removal or exclusion is a different thing altogether.

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rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
07/05/13 6:00 am

Just seems humorous how hypocritical Americans can be.

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skinner Jersey City
07/05/13 5:55 am

I don't know, my family has lived here for four centuries I guess it's a question of how long do you have to live on land to make it yours.

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rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
07/05/13 5:58 am

I'll bet the NA's have ya beat

skinner Jersey City
07/05/13 6:04 am

True, but to be candid there aren't many full blooded Native Americans left. My Senator Elizabeth Warren claims to be Cherokee and she barely is.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
07/05/13 7:37 am

The point is nearly every single person on this patch of dirt is descended from immigrants.

dreamitliveit IDLH
07/05/13 12:25 pm

Skinner, there might not be many native Americans in Massachusetts because they were forced to move west. They're still here in New Mexico, Oklahoma etc.

Mooo42Q Thats Nucking Futs
07/05/13 5:24 am

Yup! My mums from england and my dads parents- ukraine/Austria.
Im damn near an immigrant.

Skarface Banned
07/05/13 5:05 am

Native Americans have just as much of a right to be critical of immigrants as any other American, which is to say not at all.

Skarface Banned
07/05/13 5:29 am

Totally misread the question- my bad.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
07/05/13 5:58 am

No foul friend, just curious, how did you interpret it

Skarface Banned
07/05/13 6:27 pm

I read it as "If you're full blooded Native American, still living on a reservation, you have no right to be critical of immigrants." The one word made all the difference.

skinner Jersey City
07/05/13 4:52 am

Meh, Native Americans weren't always here either.

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rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
07/05/13 5:59 am

SOME people have for tens of thousands of years.

NUwriter
07/05/13 8:02 am

Nobody's "been here for tenes othousands of years. Most people have been here for less than50years.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
07/05/13 9:13 am

I meant some as in other humans, thought that would've been pretty clear.

Doopy Remedial Americanism
07/06/13 6:46 am

It was clear, but nuwriter's point was better. So your 10,000 year old grandfather crossed a land bridge during an ice age? Doesn't make YOU any more born here than anyone else. Except maybe the Kenyan?