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Show Of Hands July 4th, 2013 2:53pm

Overall, do you think the signers of the Declaration of Independence would be pleased or disappointed by the way the United States has turned out?

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TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
07/10/13 11:11 am

Read the Federalist Papers.
This isn't an opinion question.
There's a right answer.
Read them, get back to me on it.

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Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
07/08/13 11:30 pm

Why? Why do all the race baters have even mention slavery? Get over it already! Our founders would be glad to see that now ALL people are created equal....but you are only guaranteed life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness not equal outcome.

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Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
07/08/13 11:32 pm

This is not about black people or any other color of person. It is about our country and all of us as Americans.

torstrum
07/08/13 1:30 pm

Theyd say "what are all these black people doong without their chains on?"

But seriously our enitre government is bought and they are actively working to fuck over the us populous, theyd be disgusted i hope

Nationalist Defend Liberty
07/07/13 2:03 pm

The TSA is molesting little girls in wheel chairs at the airports, the police are beating the innocent to death out on the streets, and the NSA is illegally wiretapping our phone calls and data mining our private information! They would be disgusted!

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DavesNotHere where am I
07/07/13 5:42 am

I'd hope they'd be disgusted.

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bringstheeagle Colorado
07/06/13 12:41 pm

Okay skinner from Massachusetts I got you mixed in with someone else. You are right you don't comment about morality. I also agree with your point about strength of founders governmental design. Civility is important in these posts - my apologies.

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kilokalex Sanity is for the weak
07/06/13 11:38 am

Since a majority of their ancestors fought in the civil war for the south the surrender of lee till now would be a disappointment. After shays rebellion would be a disappointment.

gatsbyxxv
07/06/13 10:12 am

The way things have gone in the last 13 years how could they be anything but disappointed?

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nivek1 Indiana
07/06/13 2:56 am

Disappointed because they would cry if they found out black people have rights.

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tdaddy Kentucky
07/06/13 9:28 am

Yep. And they'd cry some more when they learned many black people are smarter than a lot of white people.

cat3675 Bowling Green, KY
07/09/13 8:35 am

Not so because they tried to address that from the get go and they needed unity with the south at that time and it was supposed to be readdressed twenty years after the constitution was written

bman4jets
07/05/13 9:52 pm

I don't think the fathers ever thought we would wind up becoming the most powerful nation in the world.

tdaddy Kentucky
07/05/13 8:47 pm

Extremely pleased! Not only are we still the UNITED states of America, we have over 4x as many states today as when our Constitution was ratified. And with our system of government and our national pride we are still hanging in there today.

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tdaddy Kentucky
07/05/13 9:44 pm

Oops. I thought I deleted that comment below.

Ehsujdjsbsn
07/05/13 8:36 pm

I would think they would be pleased about some things and disappointed about others. They would be pleased by our size and power but disappointed about our government.

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tdaddy Kentucky
07/05/13 9:43 pm

Our system of government got us where we are today. They would be extremely pleased how far we've come: abolished slavery, survived a civil war with almost no outside help, helped civilization survive two World Wars, landing on the moon, much more.

think4yourself Not a safe space
07/05/13 11:56 pm

Us taxpayers are slaves to the government.

shellybaxter1234 Peaceful Place
07/05/13 4:16 pm

I don't think there is a possible answer to this question. It would take years to explain everything that has occurred and led up to where we are today. I think IF THAT OCCURRED - they would be fine with it

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bringstheeagle Colorado
07/06/13 9:38 am

Thoughtful answer and I agree. In the book "Empire of Liberty: A History of the Early Republic, 1789-1815" By Gordon S. Wood, there was great dissatisfaction in their own lifetimes. For one thing didn't like the creation of political parties.

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
07/05/13 3:03 pm

Sorry dems, I side with you on a lot of stuff but if you think they would have like this you are totally ignorant of history

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Congressman Louisiana
07/05/13 3:08 pm

You're absolutely right! We must return this great nation back to its glory days! Reenact slavery, repeal women's suffrage, ban alcohol!

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
07/05/13 3:53 pm

Lawman - strawman argument. plus alcohol wasn't banned in that time.

You fail so hard

Congressman Louisiana
07/05/13 6:12 pm

Ah yes attack that point but not the other two. You certainly don't live up to your name.

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
07/08/13 8:41 am

Ah yes, fail to admit you made a strawman argument and continue with it, despite the fact that it makes you look like a fool.

centexken Republic of Texas
07/05/13 1:17 pm

They would say it's past time for another revolution.

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becithegreat
07/05/13 12:47 pm

I think they would be sickened by the amount of religion in government today. The one thing they were adamant about.

www.addictinginfo.org/2013/07/04/35-founding-father-quotes-conservative-christians-will-hate/

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Abolitionist Voice of the people
07/05/13 1:13 pm

"History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose.

tchance2 32218
07/05/13 10:00 am

Pleased till around the mid 1960's

Abolitionist Voice of the people
07/05/13 10:14 am

Yeah, they wouldn't have liked that civil rights sht for their property

ProbablyEug Oakland
07/05/13 8:28 am

But more likely disappointed with the people of America rather than its government. We've grown fat with privilege.

theavgguy I.E.
07/05/13 3:03 pm

Than you have no idea how the government was setup. Minimizing the central governments power was an overriding desire throughout the constitution. The government's power grab began in the later 40's and accelerated In the 60's.

travis23
07/05/13 8:24 am

I think they'd be dismayed at the enormous size of the govt. that and we actually go to the store to buy water.

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Congressman Louisiana
07/05/13 5:35 am

Everyone who's getting butthurt over the slaves issue, get over it. Our Founding Fathers loved them some slaves. Literally and figuratively. It was common place for the time. Doesn't make them bad people just a giant culture shock for them today.

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Abolitionist Voice of the people
07/05/13 6:38 am

Frederick Douglass said a lot of slave owners were decent people who were a party of a system bigger than themselves. So owning slaves doesn't make them bad men of their time but it does mean America was founded and maintained through white supremacy

Congressman Louisiana
07/05/13 6:41 am

This is true to some extent. It doesn't excuse the practice of slavery in any extent. It was nothing more than a product of the times. Thankfully we've mostly progressed from that. Human enslavement in any capacity is just wrong.

mac007 Mars
07/05/13 3:21 am

I wonder if they would change anything in light of how things have turned out.

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ScrewU Gone
07/05/13 3:57 am

I think yes. They would have provided a way for the people to challenge abuses of authority, other than through the election process. We can "throw the bums out" all we want, we just get new bums.

NUwriter
07/05/13 7:58 am

They did provide a method for challenging abuses of authority. It's called nullification. Used in 1798 to support free speech, 1808 to support the freedom to trade, and in 1857 to oppose slavery.

ScrewU Gone
07/06/13 3:54 pm

Please point me to nullification in the Constitution. I must have missed it.

MarkIsAwesome Portland
07/05/13 12:07 am

mostly shocked by the change in family values and freeing the slaves

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theavgguy I.E.
07/05/13 5:31 am

What is it about the slaves? As a matter of fact, No freeing the slaves would not be their biggest surprise. The expanding role of the government into the peoples life and liberties through the commerce clause would be.

NUwriter
07/05/13 7:53 am

No, most of them despised slavery, but didn't know how to end it.

They would be aghast at the militarism and the levels of taxation and government control - and many of them would be looking to secede again.

Abolitionist Voice of the people
07/05/13 11:33 am

Blacks having rights would've been their biggest surprise. Ppl who think otherwise are ignorant of American history

think4yourself Not a safe space
07/06/13 12:03 am

Surprised that blacks keep voting for people who keep them slaves to government, crime, poverty, and murder.

theavgguy I.E.
07/06/13 6:27 pm

Handouts from the master.

eaglsnrebls
07/04/13 11:48 pm

Overall. I mean looking at the whole picture. They would be proud. They would be proud at the success of our nation, and its citizens. They wouldn't be very happy about the elected officials though.

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kut17
07/05/13 10:55 am

Or the size of the government. I can guarantee that would not please them.

getupbaby South City
07/04/13 10:29 pm

Some would be devastated. I feel like Franklin would be excited and Jefferson would just be drunk.

getupbaby South City
07/04/13 10:30 pm

Benny would definitely be checking out Colorado's lax weed laws!

ScrewU Gone
07/05/13 4:01 am

Weed wasn't illegal in his day. Hell, cocaine and heroin weren't illegal.

northcoreya Florida
07/04/13 10:25 pm

You all are a disgrace. The framers of the Constitution would be so proud of the fact that the United States became the greatest country the world has ever seen. Quit your political moaning and be happy to be part of this amazing country.

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getupbaby South City
07/04/13 10:32 pm

What if what we've achieved was better than what the FFs wanted. Civil rights?

ScrewU Gone
07/05/13 3:14 am

We seem to be the only ones who think we're the best country on earth. If that were true, would other countries be following our lead. Wake up and smell the coffee; we're the crazy rich uncle everybody tolerates but nobody likes.

NUwriter
07/05/13 7:55 am

Nonsense. They all were raised in what was then the greatest country the world haf ever seen - and they seceded.

They'd be sickened that this government has done everything that the British government did that caused them to rebel.

madeit Houston Area
07/04/13 9:58 pm

These poll results are more representative of OUR feelings, not theirs. 75% of today's Americans disappointed with government. Understandable. I think our Founders would be astonished that their "experiment" has lasted this long. Flawed as it is, never in history had anybody tried this.

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NUwriter
07/05/13 7:56 am

"Their experiment" was over by 1865, when consent of the governed went out the window, and the government went to war to enforce unconstitutional tariffs.

clevername
07/04/13 9:30 pm

They're disappointed in certain things sure but remember that the US was a fragile union of 13 (and rapidly a few more) states who had just barely thrown off one of the greatest empires in existence during their time. Today we are the only global super-power and our empire completely dwarfs anything

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clevername
07/04/13 9:32 pm

The British Empire even at its height. They would be so amazed at how far we have come in just 200 years that they probably wouldn't even notice all the petty things like Gun control laws/Obamacare/PRISM/whatever else you think is important.

ziplock
07/04/13 9:19 pm

They would be amazed.
No slavery.
Women vote.
Blacks can vote.
Great Britain is among our closest allies.
Tea is for sale at CVS for $4.99 a bottle, plus tax

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dxstap Bloomington, Indiana
07/04/13 9:13 pm

There are probably lots of specific issues that would disappoint. But the question used the word "overall."

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progressivepaul Verginia
07/04/13 8:34 pm

Disappointed because we for some reason are letting religion and politics mix. And are under the dangerous delusion that this is a country of one faith.

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whitepuppy Happy Birthday
07/04/13 8:35 pm

Thats what the founders wanted it to be. A country based on religion.

flobotscott88
07/04/13 8:40 pm

I think they would not know what to think but would be happy how much we advanced as a society and our place in the world.

whitepuppy Happy Birthday
07/04/13 8:43 pm

Except for the big government, and going against a lot of what they founded.

dxstap Bloomington, Indiana
07/04/13 9:15 pm

I feel the founders wanted a country based on God not religion. There's a difference. Religion really gets in the way of God sometimes.

flobotscott88
07/04/13 9:33 pm

Believing in "God" or a god is different from following a religion.

whitepuppy Happy Birthday
07/04/13 9:38 pm

Once you believe in a god you are part of a religion.

theavgguy I.E.
07/04/13 11:48 pm

I really "no I don't" hate to burst your bubble. All but two of the signer's had deep Religious Affiliations.

whitepuppy Happy Birthday
07/05/13 8:23 am

But they based the country on religion

TheAntiLib Putnam County, NY
07/04/13 8:22 pm

The signers would be let down. They would see that history repeated itself and that Obama is the NEW King George III !!
I believe that we need a New Declaration of Independence!!!

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theavgguy I.E.
07/04/13 8:57 pm

Why? The DOI is s letter of separation, who do you want to separate from?

SugarShaq
07/04/13 9:32 pm

We don't need a new declaration of independent. We need a new president.

ScrewU Gone
07/05/13 3:17 am

No, the whole system is broken. All 3 branches have assumed powers the people never gave them. Obama is just the most visible person in a completely corrupt bureaucracy.

ExcitableBoy pastrami intensfies
07/04/13 8:06 pm

Pleased.

We've got a pretty good standard of living going on here, at least for a few people, and we've got some good tech and we're pretty happy.

Isn't that what matters?

Jayseph Wasatch Front
07/04/13 7:49 pm

That is one RED map.

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skinner Jersey City
07/04/13 7:44 pm

I could see John Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Aaron Burr supporting it, but everyone else would be appalled.

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theavgguy I.E.
07/04/13 8:58 pm

Yes all big government people.

brharper13 New York
07/04/13 7:21 pm

Imagine if your child turned out to be a fat push over that listens to his kids cell phones and gives them whatever they want even if they decide not to work for it...I'd disown him

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Abolitionist Voice of the people
07/04/13 7:27 pm

Real Americans are celebrating 4th of July , not talking about disowning our country. Bye!!

brharper13 New York
07/04/13 7:32 pm

Yea I celebrated and note that I was talking about the singers of the declaration, not me. We're celebrating the founding of our country and its principles... not what it's turned into. A real american also has the right to question the gov. Something we should all do a little more often.

shotzy Texas
07/04/13 7:12 pm

Jefferson and Adams are weeping. Obama's government has the right to listen to your phone calls- read your emails- seize your DNA- and zap you with a drone. All in violation of the constitution.

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Abolitionist Voice of the people
07/04/13 7:14 pm

Adams passed the alien & sedition acts, Jefferson let them expire, which one is weeping right now?

skinner Jersey City
07/04/13 7:33 pm

Jefferson and most founding fathers really.

theavgguy I.E.
07/04/13 7:33 pm

Actually Madison is weeping.

brharper13 New York
07/04/13 7:36 pm

Obama's governor didn't pass the patriot act... they just abused it.

brharper13 New York
07/04/13 7:36 pm

government* add an edit button show of hands!!!

skinner Jersey City
07/04/13 7:39 pm

They did pass the NDAA though

Doopy Remedial Americanism
07/04/13 8:06 pm

Actually, skeletons don't weep.

Apex swimming in the sky
07/04/13 8:28 pm

you sicken me. because he is the first bad president ever. you sound so intelligent.

tinyswetter mass
07/04/13 8:34 pm

So you're willing to excuse it because "other presidents have been bad too". You sir, sicken me.

shotzy Texas
07/04/13 9:28 pm

I agree with you - Obama is the first really bad president!! Outranks Nixon big-time.

flatlatex Vancouver, WA
07/04/13 10:37 pm

Yeah...no. Not even in the same hemisphere as President Nixon. You probably need to do a little homework on that one.

flatlatex Vancouver, WA
07/04/13 10:40 pm

Now if Gov Perry had somehow been elected President THEN you might have had a candidate worthy of ousting Nixon's top spot.

SugarShaq
07/04/13 6:57 pm

I doubt they would approve of a president on a 100m taxpayer funded vacation who doesn't see fit to spend Independence Day in his own country.

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ScrewU Gone
07/04/13 6:52 pm

We pretty much shit all over the founding documents. Gonna say no.

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rebelgamer Earth
07/04/13 6:44 pm

Overall: Pleased

Current state of federal government (Bush-Obama): Disappointed

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skinner Jersey City
07/04/13 5:48 pm

They would be enraged

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ishady 86451132020
07/04/13 5:48 pm

They would be displeased with religion infesting government on every level.

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SugarShaq
07/04/13 5:59 pm

Especially since they infused a belief in God on every level

ishady 86451132020
07/05/13 1:41 am

No, they didn't.

KimberlyT717
07/04/13 5:39 pm

Considering they created it to prevent everything that is happening now, I say probably not.

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Abolitionist Voice of the people
07/04/13 5:42 pm

Who? The Adams or Jefferson vision? Stop acting like founders were all united in the direction they wanted America to go , they all had different visions.

KimberlyT717
07/04/13 5:54 pm

That's funny because only one version was signed by them.

Abolitionist Voice of the people
07/05/13 1:19 pm

It was a compromise. That's what America did until we got a black president and a stupid party.

potatochip howdy
07/04/13 5:04 pm

We certainly have issues but overall I think the country has done a good job. We have democracy, we're the top nation financially despite economic recession. Where we can improve most is with our foreign policy, our social issues and our education.

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abelll92
07/04/13 4:51 pm

Haters stop hating. OVERALL, the greatest country in the world.

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Casper821
07/04/13 5:14 pm

By far