Egypt's first democratically elected leader has been ousted and placed under house arrest by the country's military. Should the U.S. publicly take a side?
Knowing our government, we'll probably take the wrong side...
Not our prob- yet
We already have. We side with whoever is in power!
They are a radical people ! It's in their blood ! It's a way of life to them. They place no value on life! Just let them all kill themselves . Zero lost!
I would say yes to that about the Saudi's but the mainstream Egyptians are not that way. The protest we're about not becoming more Islamic.
Side with the People of Egypt who don't want to be forced into an Islamic Sharia state. The Muslim brotherhood has been systematically overtaking and consolidating power to ensure that they wipe out any dissent.
Spoken with truth.
No because they may attack us with the fighter jets we GAVE them. How pathetic!
I really don't think an Egypt that is revolting against an Islamist government will decide to attack us with only F-16s on their side. Multiple reasons here, haha
They don't have to, just come across our wide open borders.
What the United States needs to do is stop playing in all these foreign affairs unless they benefit us in some way.
We already do that.
I think we already have, in a way. Many senators have taken to making statements about the whole thing; one even made it a point to say something like "We will not support anyone who thrusts aside the democratic process and does such things".
You have to ask yourself a question. What is President Obama doing supporting the Muslim Brotherhood who is responsible for the creation of of the terrorist network Hamas?
Because he's an ASS
Must the United States out their greedy paws on everything. Egypt can and should handle their own problems.
We helped put that guy there. Better to stay silent here
Didnt the UN put him there? If so then it is our problem.
No free elections did. Egypt is more secular then most Middle Eastern countries and the population was a little upset that they were going more towards Islamic law.
NOOOO. PLEASE NO.
We should mind our own business. Same with Iraq, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, South Korea and all other places we hear about.
Democracy doesn't work on savages.
Yes, obviously Egyptians are savages. No civilized people would ever revolt against their govt. Happy July 4th!
Brr I really hope you're kidding
I didn't mean Egyptians, I meant Muslims. The so-called revolters are busy raping their women and pillaging each other in Tahrir square, mind you.
"Their" women ? You think they own them ? Who is the real savage here ?
a) people who own their women and rape their women
b) person who merely recognizes the state of affairs in Egypt and accurately portrays it.
choose which one the savage is before proceeding.
And explain this as well. taking it at face value, what I said could be understood as me implying they own their women.
Imagine that's what I mean. You compare that to them actually raping their women and you ask "Who is the real savage here?"
So Muslims are savages? That's a broadly generalized view of Islam...
I would get out more if I were you. I've met many Muslims who aren't in any way how you portray them.
There'll always be exceptions. Muslims in America exhibit little more civility on account of their having virtually no political power, and due to their smaller numbers. Where they have more influence- UK, Dearborn MI, ..etc they change a bit.
Really!! I can't believe you said that.
Well, I did.
And there's a reason for it, it's got to do with the life of Mohammad, the Muslim prophet. If you're aware of this person's life story, you'll immediately understand why no follower of Mohammad will feel at home in civilized society.
Understand I'm not interested in political correctness, or affected by feigned outrage.
Brr: Musilms are not savages either, there happen to be individuals who are sick and Muslim just as their are individuals who are sick and Christians. Religions don't breed savagery, societies do.
Then lets look at large-scale societies, otherwise known as countries.
What do undesirable countries such as Afghanistan, Somalia, Iraq, and pakistan have in common?
And what about desirable countries, such as Norway, Iceland, Sweden, and Ireland?
The former countries are war torn the latter are not.
Then would it be correct to say that historically Muslims countries are war torn, while historically christian countries are not? And that this makes sense given the facts that Jesus was a teacher, while Mohammed was a military commander?
And what do you make of historically atheist countries, such as china and North Korea?
Nope Muslim countries were once on the forefront of scientific innovation, it was only during the crusades that the then backwards European Christians stole Muslim texts on technology that they became enlightened. Then imperialism destroyed Islam.
Historically atheist societies are not barbaric either.
Well, they are. I refer you to china and North Korea.
How, in your opinion, did the backward Christians manage to pillage the technologically and civilizationally advanced Muslims? And exactly which crusade did this take place in?
And since you feel that it was Imperialism that destroyed Islam, what do you make of the imperialist like conquering spree the Muslims embarked on after the death of Mohammed, and prior to the very first crusade?
The very first Christian crusade, that is.
I wouldn't describe the Chinese people as barbaric or atheist. in the later crusades they brought back books and other texts that inspired the enlightenment.
I don't like the Islamic conquests either but that doesn't make them barbarians.
A Wikipedia link to "crusades"? I know what the crusades are, but there are ~ 7 or 8 different ones are there not? Which ones specifically are you referring to?
The Muslim crusades do reveal their savagery. The Muslim crusades were unprovoked.
After Mohammad's death the Muslims continued his quest to expand the Muslim empire, forcing people to convert or killing them. The Christian crusades came about 500 years after that.
And you claim the Christian crusades to fight back makes them backwards, but the unprovoked merciless crusades of the Muslims do not make them barbarians? Why not?
Brrrrrr, just stop. I keep getting absurd anti-Islam notifications on my phone because of your ridiculous bigotry towards Islam.
And get off your high horse man... Like Christians 300 years ago were any different at all. Because you have to look at
It in that perspective. Islam came into prominence roughly 300 years after Christianity. Therefore, they have some growing pains, as Christians did.
Personally, I think the whole world would be better off without ridiculous myths on creation, but I
Don't go around targeting them to make myself feel superior.
And if you are a Christian, shame on you. Jesus would have been better than that.
Turn your stupid notifications off. You're actually asking others to stop because you chose to enter a discussion and now your phone's beeping? What a novel way to try and stifle honest discussion!
Well you are honest, I give you that. I think you truly believe the bullshit you are peddling.
Either way, you started this discussion, despite it being a total offshoot from the topic, and continued despite the fact that very few people have even
Bothered to reply to you. Kind of a one sided discussion when most of your comments are from you.
It just appears that way because I actually bother writing worthwhile comments, which are naturally longer. while others, as you'll see above, are happy pasting a Wikipedia link that inadvertently supports my position more than it does his.
Who'll inherit the $350million in military aid Kerry delivered on behalf of Barack Hussein?
It's a disgrace! No other president has ever, and I mean ever, authorized aid to Egypt
What about the F16's.
BTW we have been giving them around 2 billion a year on average since 1979. Only Israel gets more.
Like that's worked for us over there.
Good thing we gave their military all those nice toys to pay with.
It'll come with a price tag one day I'm sure. That's how Murica operates! :D
Happy July 4th!
None of our business.
If I *was* going to be proud of America, t would be for the way you answered this question. Thanks everybody!
I highly advise anyone who wishes to comment read into the story it's actually very different then first impressions would indicate.
Indeed. Frankly this coup is the best thing to happen in Egypt in years. Any Islamist regime is counter to American interests.
Ironic that we avidly supported that Islamist regime before we knew what we were doing.
Better to let countries fight their own battles in my honest opinion
we need these countries to turn democratic. up until recently they were closed "untainted" markets. and with our country been extremely saturated, we need new markets. these people fit the demand. turn them democratic "give them freedoms" and they get to buy new shinny thrinklets like the rest of us
Finally, some sense
You are I believe correct but it could be a coin flip there tends to be large amounts of nationalism post revolution esq periods which makes trade sometimes iffy.
It's all in how you sell it...we have special consultants for this...I bet they're behind the curtains now or even were the force from the beginning.
God bless 'merica!
Their leader was an awful religious zealot. However, we should let this play out because it hasn't gotten violent yet.
Why bother if Egypt wants to spiral down into a dribbling mess of chaos then why should we care. Neither of them is in any position to cause trouble to the rest of the world and if they do well we deal with it our way free bullets.
It's called the Suez Canal...ever heard of it?!!!
If they mess with the suez canal they will be deposed and replaced in a week it's not something they have complete control of.
Lol maybe if we want to protect our investments over there.
it happened before and look what happened. stay out of it for once
Privately-owned Al-Shorouk sends strong signals that U.S. threw its weight behind the Brotherhood during the last few days of Morsy’s reign. These efforts, however, were in vain.-Egyptian Newspaper
"The day I'm inaugurated Muslim hostility will ease." Sen. Barack Obama 2007
Thanks I forgot that one.
That happened once and it got Morsi into office. Sometimes the US needs to keep their nose out of others business and let them make their own decisions.
Egypt's problem is that the countryside is more conservative and more numerous, and the cities are more liberal but have far fewer people. They can do this cycle of election, coup, election, coup forever.
This sounds like the USA.
The democratically elected leader wanted to go to war with Israel, the generals in the military are too smart for that and we ended up with the coup. Hopefully who ever replaces him is more moderate
Moraines agreed to maintain the 34 year old peace agreement with Isreal. Read a newspaper already.
I don't even know wtf a "moraines" is. NSA messing with autocorrect again.
A moraine is a land feature caused by the movement of glaciers.
That's a total fabrication
The political scenery there would absolutely hate us if we chose sides. They see us as the evil empire trying to invade their lives. I think it best to just sit out and watch. They can take care of themselves.
This will be interesting as it plays out. We have a anti-war president who is committed to Muslims countries. He will have some tough talk for whatever side he chooses but that will probably be it. Golf time.
What anti war president? Obama is as blood thirsty as everyone else
obama created this Egyptian mess, dumbass
You sir are a sage. Finally someone has the guts to say it.
Humanitarian aid is fine but other than that I say we should proceed cautiously.
Not in this, not in Syria, etc etc
We got involved last time and look what happened.
I refuse to accept the "less bad" argument., NO MATTER who we pick, they will,not be less bad and we'll find ourselves d.ragged into yet Another mid east was zone
Anybody that's not a muslim would be super
Hmm... So how long have you been a bigot? Don't define an entire religion based upon radicals.
How many non-muslims do you think there are on Egypt?
There does seem to be a significantly higher % of radicals within the Muslim community
ha ha of come on people, that's hilarious. Have a little fun on our nation's birthdate.
So you support Democracy unless a candidate you don't like wins?
Screwu, isn't that the American way of democracy? If our candidate wins, it is the will of the people. If our candidate loses it is due to corruption, biased media, voter fraud, big money, unions, etc.
America can't pick a side. On one side is an elected leader who was effectively overthrown an on the other side is a institution that claims to follow the people and bullies any adversity. We should just leave Egypt alone anyway. They never needed democracy before. Now look at them; they're a mess.
if we get involved, we will make enemies either way.
Just think of the puppy mills and that should answer your question!
I'm not sure we should take a side but, we surely have to be prepared to have diplomatic relations with whom ever is in power.
But if they're MB or someone MORE radical, we don't have a prayer diplomatically.
We have had diplomatic relations with the Muslim Brotherhood President for a year, so why couldn't we have diplomatic relationships with the next president?
The Muslim Brotherhood has been the political and ideological strongarm of Islamic Radicalism since its inception, and the US should NOT be negotiating with terrorists.
One group of radical Muslims replacing other radical muslims, what difference does it make?
One can only HOPE that whoever takes power will be more moderate and secular than the MB.
The problem is when the people are corrupt they elect corrupt leaders. How do you think we ended up with obama. If America wasn't at such moral low, obama would have never been elected.
You preach to the choir hear, man. It's not JUST that, though. It's also the uninformed and apathetic voters who vote for whoever is the "cool" candidate.
Not to mention the fact that, understandably so, most Conservatives don't want to vote because the candidates are too alike! They need a candidate who is a man, or woman, of PRINCIPLE; not a sellout!
It's become abundantly clear that the citizens are tired of foreign policy being our government's first priority. So how does this keep happening again...?
From 1922 to 1953, Egypt was a parliamentary democracy with a constitutional monarchy, so I don't know how accurate it is to say that this is the first time the country has been democratic.
No, but we also shouldn't give them any more money or aircraft, etc.
89% of people said no but there's probably going to be a statement from somewhere released anyway
Yup, Obama released a statement saying that the US is questioning the manner in which the Egyptian president was removed.
My question is:
Where does all of that aid money wind up going?