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Show Of Hands July 4th, 2013 1:11am

Egypt's first democratically elected leader has been ousted and placed under house arrest by the country's military. Should the U.S. publicly take a side?

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natedog9999 California
07/07/13 2:09 pm

Knowing our government, we'll probably take the wrong side...

rons Thanks America
07/05/13 1:42 pm

We already have. We side with whoever is in power!

porkchop New Jersey
07/05/13 9:49 am

They are a radical people ! It's in their blood ! It's a way of life to them. They place no value on life! Just let them all kill themselves . Zero lost!

theavgguy I.E.
07/07/13 11:47 pm

I would say yes to that about the Saudi's but the mainstream Egyptians are not that way. The protest we're about not becoming more Islamic.

coloradical Vote or Shut Up
07/05/13 8:09 am

Side with the People of Egypt who don't want to be forced into an Islamic Sharia state. The Muslim brotherhood has been systematically overtaking and consolidating power to ensure that they wipe out any dissent.

07/05/13 6:48 am

No because they may attack us with the fighter jets we GAVE them. How pathetic!

svenalexander Land of the Ents
07/05/13 10:19 pm

I really don't think an Egypt that is revolting against an Islamist government will decide to attack us with only F-16s on their side. Multiple reasons here, haha

theavgguy I.E.
07/07/13 11:50 pm

They don't have to, just come across our wide open borders.

glyiker America
07/04/13 11:00 pm

What the United States needs to do is stop playing in all these foreign affairs unless they benefit us in some way.

gpmino Florida
07/04/13 8:54 pm

I think we already have, in a way. Many senators have taken to making statements about the whole thing; one even made it a point to say something like "We will not support anyone who thrusts aside the democratic process and does such things".

theavgguy I.E.
07/04/13 8:17 pm

You have to ask yourself a question. What is President Obama doing supporting the Muslim Brotherhood who is responsible for the creation of of the terrorist network Hamas?

porkchop New Jersey
07/05/13 9:51 am

Because he's an ASS

07/04/13 8:14 pm

Must the United States out their greedy paws on everything. Egypt can and should handle their own problems.

svenalexander Land of the Ents
07/04/13 7:15 pm

We helped put that guy there. Better to stay silent here

07/04/13 6:59 pm

Didnt the UN put him there? If so then it is our problem.

theavgguy I.E.
07/04/13 8:21 pm

No free elections did. Egypt is more secular then most Middle Eastern countries and the population was a little upset that they were going more towards Islamic law.

07/04/13 4:51 pm

We should mind our own business. Same with Iraq, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, South Korea and all other places we hear about.

07/04/13 3:09 pm

Democracy doesn't work on savages.

scottstots Georgia
07/04/13 4:34 pm

Yes, obviously Egyptians are savages. No civilized people would ever revolt against their govt. Happy July 4th!

skinner Jersey City
07/04/13 4:40 pm

Brr I really hope you're kidding

07/04/13 4:48 pm

I didn't mean Egyptians, I meant Muslims. The so-called revolters are busy raping their women and pillaging each other in Tahrir square, mind you.

07/04/13 4:52 pm

"Their" women ? You think they own them ? Who is the real savage here ?

07/04/13 5:01 pm

you decide
a) people who own their women and rape their women
b) person who merely recognizes the state of affairs in Egypt and accurately portrays it.

choose which one the savage is before proceeding.

07/04/13 5:07 pm

And explain this as well. taking it at face value, what I said could be understood as me implying they own their women.
Imagine that's what I mean. You compare that to them actually raping their women and you ask "Who is the real savage here?"

svenalexander Land of the Ents
07/04/13 7:21 pm

So Muslims are savages? That's a broadly generalized view of Islam...

I would get out more if I were you. I've met many Muslims who aren't in any way how you portray them.

07/04/13 8:20 pm

There'll always be exceptions. Muslims in America exhibit little more civility on account of their having virtually no political power, and due to their smaller numbers. Where they have more influence- UK, Dearborn MI, ..etc they change a bit.

theavgguy I.E.
07/04/13 8:29 pm

Really!! I can't believe you said that.

07/04/13 8:30 pm

Well, I did.
And there's a reason for it, it's got to do with the life of Mohammad, the Muslim prophet. If you're aware of this person's life story, you'll immediately understand why no follower of Mohammad will feel at home in civilized society.

07/04/13 8:33 pm

Understand I'm not interested in political correctness, or affected by feigned outrage.

skinner Jersey City
07/05/13 4:27 am

Brr: Musilms are not savages either, there happen to be individuals who are sick and Muslim just as their are individuals who are sick and Christians. Religions don't breed savagery, societies do.

07/05/13 5:44 am

Then lets look at large-scale societies, otherwise known as countries.
What do undesirable countries such as Afghanistan, Somalia, Iraq, and pakistan have in common?
And what about desirable countries, such as Norway, Iceland, Sweden, and Ireland?

skinner Jersey City
07/05/13 5:46 am

The former countries are war torn the latter are not.

07/05/13 5:55 am

Then would it be correct to say that historically Muslims countries are war torn, while historically christian countries are not? And that this makes sense given the facts that Jesus was a teacher, while Mohammed was a military commander?

07/05/13 5:57 am

And what do you make of historically atheist countries, such as china and North Korea?

skinner Jersey City
07/05/13 6:00 am

Nope Muslim countries were once on the forefront of scientific innovation, it was only during the crusades that the then backwards European Christians stole Muslim texts on technology that they became enlightened. Then imperialism destroyed Islam.

skinner Jersey City
07/05/13 6:01 am

Historically atheist societies are not barbaric either.

07/05/13 6:11 am

Well, they are. I refer you to china and North Korea.

How, in your opinion, did the backward Christians manage to pillage the technologically and civilizationally advanced Muslims? And exactly which crusade did this take place in?

07/05/13 6:35 am

And since you feel that it was Imperialism that destroyed Islam, what do you make of the imperialist like conquering spree the Muslims embarked on after the death of Mohammed, and prior to the very first crusade?

07/05/13 6:37 am

The very first Christian crusade, that is.

skinner Jersey City
07/05/13 6:30 pm

I wouldn't describe the Chinese people as barbaric or atheist. in the later crusades they brought back books and other texts that inspired the enlightenment.

skinner Jersey City
07/05/13 6:30 pm

I don't like the Islamic conquests either but that doesn't make them barbarians.

07/05/13 9:53 pm

A Wikipedia link to "crusades"? I know what the crusades are, but there are ~ 7 or 8 different ones are there not? Which ones specifically are you referring to?

The Muslim crusades do reveal their savagery. The Muslim crusades were unprovoked.

07/05/13 9:54 pm

After Mohammad's death the Muslims continued his quest to expand the Muslim empire, forcing people to convert or killing them. The Christian crusades came about 500 years after that.

07/05/13 9:56 pm

And you claim the Christian crusades to fight back makes them backwards, but the unprovoked merciless crusades of the Muslims do not make them barbarians? Why not?

svenalexander Land of the Ents
07/05/13 10:11 pm

Brrrrrr, just stop. I keep getting absurd anti-Islam notifications on my phone because of your ridiculous bigotry towards Islam.
And get off your high horse man... Like Christians 300 years ago were any different at all. Because you have to look at

svenalexander Land of the Ents
07/05/13 10:13 pm

It in that perspective. Islam came into prominence roughly 300 years after Christianity. Therefore, they have some growing pains, as Christians did.

Personally, I think the whole world would be better off without ridiculous myths on creation, but I

svenalexander Land of the Ents
07/05/13 10:15 pm

Don't go around targeting them to make myself feel superior.

And if you are a Christian, shame on you. Jesus would have been better than that.

07/05/13 10:20 pm

Turn your stupid notifications off. You're actually asking others to stop because you chose to enter a discussion and now your phone's beeping? What a novel way to try and stifle honest discussion!

svenalexander Land of the Ents
07/05/13 10:24 pm

Well you are honest, I give you that. I think you truly believe the bullshit you are peddling.
Either way, you started this discussion, despite it being a total offshoot from the topic, and continued despite the fact that very few people have even

svenalexander Land of the Ents
07/05/13 10:24 pm

Bothered to reply to you. Kind of a one sided discussion when most of your comments are from you.

07/05/13 10:33 pm

It just appears that way because I actually bother writing worthwhile comments, which are naturally longer. while others, as you'll see above, are happy pasting a Wikipedia link that inadvertently supports my position more than it does his.

theNobamist Silicon Valley
07/04/13 3:07 pm

Who'll inherit the $350million in military aid Kerry delivered on behalf of Barack Hussein?

scottstots Georgia
07/04/13 4:35 pm

It's a disgrace! No other president has ever, and I mean ever, authorized aid to Egypt

theavgguy I.E.
07/04/13 8:23 pm

What about the F16's.

theavgguy I.E.
07/04/13 8:27 pm

BTW we have been giving them around 2 billion a year on average since 1979. Only Israel gets more.

JohnnyBraska Nebraska
07/04/13 2:18 pm

Good thing we gave their military all those nice toys to pay with.

svenalexander Land of the Ents
07/04/13 7:23 pm

It'll come with a price tag one day I'm sure. That's how Murica operates! :D

Happy July 4th!

cowboy Proud Father
07/04/13 2:08 pm

None of our business.

07/04/13 11:53 am

If I *was* going to be proud of America, t would be for the way you answered this question. Thanks everybody!

l1f3 places
07/04/13 11:17 am

I highly advise anyone who wishes to comment read into the story it's actually very different then first impressions would indicate.

Sirithil Texas
07/04/13 12:23 pm

Indeed. Frankly this coup is the best thing to happen in Egypt in years. Any Islamist regime is counter to American interests.

svenalexander Land of the Ents
07/05/13 10:17 pm

Ironic that we avidly supported that Islamist regime before we knew what we were doing.
Better to let countries fight their own battles in my honest opinion

Apex swimming in the sky
07/04/13 9:56 am

we need these countries to turn democratic. up until recently they were closed "untainted" markets. and with our country been extremely saturated, we need new markets. these people fit the demand. turn them democratic "give them freedoms" and they get to buy new shinny thrinklets like the rest of us

l1f3 places
07/04/13 10:09 am

You are I believe correct but it could be a coin flip there tends to be large amounts of nationalism post revolution esq periods which makes trade sometimes iffy.

07/04/13 10:18 am

It's all in how you sell it...we have special consultants for this...I bet they're behind the curtains now or even were the force from the beginning.

God bless 'merica!

drcynic Pittsburgh, PA
07/04/13 9:47 am

Their leader was an awful religious zealot. However, we should let this play out because it hasn't gotten violent yet.

l1f3 places
07/04/13 9:27 am

Why bother if Egypt wants to spiral down into a dribbling mess of chaos then why should we care. Neither of them is in any position to cause trouble to the rest of the world and if they do well we deal with it our way free bullets.

07/04/13 10:03 am

It's called the Suez Canal...ever heard of it?!!!

l1f3 places
07/04/13 10:06 am

If they mess with the suez canal they will be deposed and replaced in a week it's not something they have complete control of.

juiceman1601 Alton Il.
07/04/13 9:02 am

Lol maybe if we want to protect our investments over there.

ladyniner81 I hate people
07/04/13 8:02 am

it happened before and look what happened. stay out of it for once

07/04/13 7:46 am

Privately-owned Al-Shorouk sends strong signals that U.S. threw its weight behind the Brotherhood during the last few days of Morsy’s reign. These efforts, however, were in vain.-Egyptian Newspaper

07/04/13 7:27 am

"The day I'm inaugurated Muslim hostility will ease." Sen. Barack Obama 2007

07/04/13 7:02 am

That happened once and it got Morsi into office. Sometimes the US needs to keep their nose out of others business and let them make their own decisions.

ScrewU Gone
07/04/13 6:55 am

Egypt's problem is that the countryside is more conservative and more numerous, and the cities are more liberal but have far fewer people. They can do this cycle of election, coup, election, coup forever.

teppofan Rt. 66 Hackberry, AZ
07/04/13 8:28 am

This sounds like the USA.

s4mm1 MD SLP
07/04/13 6:14 am

The democratically elected leader wanted to go to war with Israel, the generals in the military are too smart for that and we ended up with the coup. Hopefully who ever replaces him is more moderate

ScrewU Gone
07/04/13 6:50 am

Moraines agreed to maintain the 34 year old peace agreement with Isreal. Read a newspaper already.

ScrewU Gone
07/04/13 6:51 am

I don't even know wtf a "moraines" is. NSA messing with autocorrect again.

1111111 Wayne
07/04/13 7:07 am

A moraine is a land feature caused by the movement of glaciers.

CTYankee!!! Connecticut
07/04/13 7:09 am

That's a total fabrication

FIAT2LUX On Planet Earth
07/04/13 6:04 am

The political scenery there would absolutely hate us if we chose sides. They see us as the evil empire trying to invade their lives. I think it best to just sit out and watch. They can take care of themselves.

commonman1 Peace
07/04/13 5:46 am

This will be interesting as it plays out. We have a anti-war president who is committed to Muslims countries. He will have some tough talk for whatever side he chooses but that will probably be it. Golf time.

theavgguy I.E.
07/05/13 6:48 am

What anti war president? Obama is as blood thirsty as everyone else

07/04/13 4:27 am

obama created this Egyptian mess, dumbass

07/04/13 4:32 am


07/04/13 5:24 am

You sir are a sage. Finally someone has the guts to say it.

mac007 Mars
07/04/13 4:24 am

Humanitarian aid is fine but other than that I say we should proceed cautiously.

paidert1 Columbus, Ohio
07/04/13 4:12 am

Not in this, not in Syria, etc etc

MrWalrus Undergrid
07/04/13 3:53 am

We got involved last time and look what happened.

07/04/13 3:09 am

I refuse to accept the "less bad" argument., NO MATTER who we pick, they will,not be less bad and we'll find ourselves d.ragged into yet Another mid east was zone

Dilla Corsicana, TX
07/04/13 2:41 am

Anybody that's not a muslim would be super

07/04/13 4:31 am

Hmm... So how long have you been a bigot? Don't define an entire religion based upon radicals.

CTYankee!!! Connecticut
07/04/13 4:58 am

How many non-muslims do you think there are on Egypt?

Malekithe This does not compute
07/04/13 5:11 am

There does seem to be a significantly higher % of radicals within the Muslim community

07/04/13 5:23 am

ha ha of come on people, that's hilarious. Have a little fun on our nation's birthdate.

ScrewU Gone
07/04/13 6:53 am

So you support Democracy unless a candidate you don't like wins?

CTYankee!!! Connecticut
07/04/13 7:08 am

Screwu, isn't that the American way of democracy? If our candidate wins, it is the will of the people. If our candidate loses it is due to corruption, biased media, voter fraud, big money, unions, etc.

07/04/13 12:01 am

America can't pick a side. On one side is an elected leader who was effectively overthrown an on the other side is a institution that claims to follow the people and bullies any adversity. We should just leave Egypt alone anyway. They never needed democracy before. Now look at them; they're a mess.

07/03/13 11:59 pm

if we get involved, we will make enemies either way.

TitaniumOreo Upstate New York
07/03/13 11:29 pm

Just think of the puppy mills and that should answer your question!

smacc DunningKruger
07/03/13 11:22 pm

I'm not sure we should take a side but, we surely have to be prepared to have diplomatic relations with whom ever is in power.

Threeper301 Gilbert, AZ
07/03/13 11:44 pm

But if they're MB or someone MORE radical, we don't have a prayer diplomatically.

CTYankee!!! Connecticut
07/04/13 5:00 am

We have had diplomatic relations with the Muslim Brotherhood President for a year, so why couldn't we have diplomatic relationships with the next president?

Threeper301 Gilbert, AZ
07/04/13 5:11 am

The Muslim Brotherhood has been the political and ideological strongarm of Islamic Radicalism since its inception, and the US should NOT be negotiating with terrorists.

think4yourself Not a safe space
07/03/13 10:47 pm

One group of radical Muslims replacing other radical muslims, what difference does it make?

Threeper301 Gilbert, AZ
07/03/13 11:46 pm

One can only HOPE that whoever takes power will be more moderate and secular than the MB.

think4yourself Not a safe space
07/04/13 12:16 am

The problem is when the people are corrupt they elect corrupt leaders. How do you think we ended up with obama. If America wasn't at such moral low, obama would have never been elected.

Threeper301 Gilbert, AZ
07/04/13 12:48 am

You preach to the choir hear, man. It's not JUST that, though. It's also the uninformed and apathetic voters who vote for whoever is the "cool" candidate.

Threeper301 Gilbert, AZ
07/04/13 1:58 am

Not to mention the fact that, understandably so, most Conservatives don't want to vote because the candidates are too alike! They need a candidate who is a man, or woman, of PRINCIPLE; not a sellout!

jacksontm Washington
07/03/13 10:39 pm

It's become abundantly clear that the citizens are tired of foreign policy being our government's first priority. So how does this keep happening again...?

Arkansas123 Neoconservative
07/03/13 10:30 pm

From 1922 to 1953, Egypt was a parliamentary democracy with a constitutional monarchy, so I don't know how accurate it is to say that this is the first time the country has been democratic.

BamaGirl ROLL TIDE from Texas
07/03/13 10:25 pm

No, but we also shouldn't give them any more money or aircraft, etc.

07/03/13 10:21 pm

89% of people said no but there's probably going to be a statement from somewhere released anyway

07/04/13 2:17 pm

Yup, Obama released a statement saying that the US is questioning the manner in which the Egyptian president was removed.
My question is:
Where does all of that aid money wind up going?