Show of Hands

Ha ha regain the House ... I think it's more like ... hold onto the Senate so as to not humiliate the lame duck in the White House.

Well the government has only complicated things significantly.

Explain why O'care added an onerous tax on medical devices, like pacemakers to help pay for the mess of O'care!

By the way, my father is a doctor and he agrees with me. He's even a Republican!

I swear to God, I believe it was designed to fail, on purpose, to create an ACTUAL health crisis to usher in a single payer system in the future. I believe that with every fiber of my being.

So the answer to the rising cost of healthcare is to just do nothing then?

No.
But it damn sure wasn't the ACA.

My best friend is a small business owner and he and I talked about it. He said it isn't that bad, but he may have a different lifestyle then you.

You've been told that by whom?

It's not free, it's just paid by someone else

With the national debt being what it is where is all this money you're talking about?

If we could stop the war machine - I would want *my* money back - not just allocated to some other rabbit hole of government spending.

Even completely removing the department of defense would only cut the deficit in half.

Only thing more terrifying than ACA is the fact we'll have to deal w/IRS rather than our Dr - providing, of course, we can find one willing to continue practicing healthcare. What we've got here, ladies & gents, is a royal SNAFU. (Look it up)

ACA is unworkable, it was political in the beginning, will be political when it draws final breath, & only hope the political system has is that WeThePeople will be as gullible & ignorant as we've been the last 16+ & let them get away w/ploy. VOTE!!!

You think the ACA is a good thing?

The question's framing doesn't need a positive side. They've delayed the mandate citing complaints that it's too complex for small businesses to be in compliance and need another year. Thats just a fact. Cant get around it. The question is...

..."whats the motivation?" Are they inept or a bunch of snakes? I think they're well aware this thing will be a disaster and want to hold onto house and senate seats so it doesn't get defunded...but i guess it's possible they're just stupid.

Anarchy, everything this administration does begs the question "are they inept or corrupt?" I'm not sure which answer is worse, but there is enough of a pattern at this point to conclude the latter.

Oh there is the third option: "it's just really hard."

How can it be "really hard?" This was te end all-be all of healthcare bills! Remember? So friggin good they didn't even have to read it! The pages, we were told, oozed with genius solutions to our TERRIBLE, EVIL private healthcare system!!!

It's just a bias- by- design question to feed into the logic that ACA is bad. Listening to business owners to ensure it works is a responsible solution. It doesn't help that Repub's are slowing its development and in turn making harder to implement

ANYTHING that slows, delays, kills or defunds this gawd-awful monstrosity of a bill is a good thing.

Sincerely.
A healthcare professional.

@anarchy what kind of healthcare provider are you? My clinic is prepared for the influx of new patients and my staff is on board.

I'm not an HCP. I'm on the supply side...specifically orthopedic sales. ...and this bill is raping me and my doctors. These claims that it will reduce costs are laughable.

I'm not arguing that changes didnt need to be made, but this was the absolute wrong way to go about it.

But where are the alternatives? We need a universal health care system in this country. The Repub's aren't offering any solutions and its despicable that our country doesn't have health care available. It's not perfect, but hopefully after the...

Obstruction stops we can move to fix it and not dismantle it and maintain our overpriced care. Health care should be regulated and when it's not we get our "free market" discriminatory care system.

Snacks it worked in 2012, didn't it? Why shouldn't the Democrats continue to believe the lie?

Really, I disagree with much about Obamas policies if u go to much of the nation the GOP policies, the bible and whatnot r all "holy" writ

but it's ok to hang this failure on the country after the elections.

but for obama it's ok to hang this failure on the country after the elections.

That's a cop out!

Agreed.

Agreed.

And then they go and pass a 1,200 page immigration bill without reading it. Unbelievable.

You always ask questions with both negative responses? There could be several other, more likely answers.

The other likely answer is the Treasury Department statement: "We have heard concerns about the complexity of the requirements and the need for more time to implement them effectively." In other words, some aspects are unworkable at this time.

Good point, Zod. I wonder what folks will think when they are paying the fine (tax) individually, without the coverages being available in the exchanges.

Very true. Ideally the Reps would gain control of the Senate and we could repeal it. Then my fellow Democrats could soul search and remember the party they once were.

So, they say they're delaying a year to accommodate the requests of businesses, not because as Max Baucus puts it, "I just see a huge train wreck coming down....?"

You accept the statement at face value?

No, but it's an official statement. A good place to start to consider Zod's question.

Baucus is a democrat and he voted for the bill, and he's leaving office. Somehow his statements about the program seem more believable to me, especially as it relates to the pragmatic task of implementing it.

Oh. Nice "appeal to authority" by choosing a fox source. I do the same by using NBC and huff post links. :-)

If they really cared about what businesses thought, or the people, they would strike down the whole thing, not just delay it a year. Nice try, treasury department, but you fail.

Everything Obama gets involved with has been a disaster and the health plan will be the biggest disaster of all.

Chicken is right. He's an utter failure.

Yep, his milk is curdled!

No, I think it says that the can't admit that O'care is unworkable.

Think, to me that's pretty much the same as I said.

Tomm ... I agree that both are similar, but being incapable of admitting that "O'care is unworkable" is not the same as "throwing MrO under the bus".

Democrats are typically incapable of admitting that they failed at anything.

I think they don't care if its politics. They don't care if our country is in ruin. As long as they "win"

Or, they're choosing the less negative answer because they don't agree with the premise of the question.

Tell me, have you stopped beating your wife?

Kelly my point was I am surprised the less negative answer for the democrats was to say it's politics, which to me, is to criticize Obamas politics.

And I think it's partly unworkable details but mostly theatrics to help the next clown get elected.

Or who knows maybe Bama is realizing he but more than he can chew.

I guess I just don't understand how a story about a pig wearing sweatpants in a hot car has anything to do with this topic.

Hahahaha!! Oops, that's a good article too but not the one I had in mind obviously...apparently my copying and pasting is failing as well. Here:

m.guardiannews.com/society/2013/jul/02/nhs-tameside-hospital-manchester-reports

It doesn't RJ, but thinking about a pig wearing sweats is kind of funny, not that he was left in the car of course.

I agree. Only, I wish there was a picture to go with the article.

This. It is both. If it was anywhere as great as it has been touted, all these delays & exemptions & financial arm-twisting by Sebelius wouldn't be necessary. By this point, they'd be laughing in all naysayer's faces about how well things are going.

Yet without the employer mandate, the only ones being penalized for this terrible law are the working families.

But he wants to destroy the country. Anyone who has not seen 2016 about obamas book needs to

Right? It's already starting and it will likely get worse.
Most folks will have to spend more time and money on transportation to a second (or third, or fourth) job just to pay the bills, on top of now having to foot the whole bill for insurance.

Sounds like a great plan to help the middle class, doesn't it? :S

I hope the government has a plan and a safety net to help us.

SWJ ... I couldn't disagree more! I hope the government DOESN'T try to help us from this mess. I hope they simply admit that they have failed and should stop meddling.

LOL!! Good one.