Show of Hands

As I pointed out, there are a great many issues with this legislation, that's certainly one of them.

One of many, many issues with the law.

Wait, I haven't read every last word of the ACA yet - maybe we already have that. =P

Haha! Well, if it were truly a part of their culture, there would be no need for a law...

Very true. It's a suggestible action, but not an action to be dictated.

Actually, yes they have. If they hadn't, there would be no communist nations.

That statement is based on antiquated views on the cultures of the Orient.

They were voting reasonable based on China's supposed "cultural background."

I'm unsure of complete details, but if you read the article at the very bottom, it's quite detailed.

Very, very well worded. Great perspective. You should definitely consult the Chinese leaders on it, haha! :D

Ii totally agree w/MrL. Excellent comment ellen especially regarding the financial support. I was just going to show older relatives view of "Don't make me deal w/those ungratefull little terds again.!.." You said it much more eloquently than I !

Grandparents unite? Lol! It's how I feel; pleased you appreciate how I worded it. :-)

You shouldn't have kids if you expect them to take care of you. Physically or financially. I think it's wrong to give up your life for any person. Taking care of a sick old person is just that. We all die its better to embrace it now in your youth.

Exactly. It should be out of love.

They are persuaded if they love the person. Forcing them would only make they do it because they have to, not because they want to...

... and one risks the higher potential of "early demise" so kids can get back to their selfish, self-centered lives w/o the imposition.

It depends. Their culture is evolving as their economy does. They don't have they same family values that they once did.

There is still less state support than support that is expected to come from the son though, correct? That's the only reason I would see it as reasonable.

That's true, but forcing someone to "provide emotional support" for a family member is reasonable? They're not doing it because they want to...

Oh I don't know, maybe. It's a different world. It should be encouraged, but I'm not sure about required. Probably a good way to boost health and lower costs, though.

These people aren't being physically or medically abused, per say. These laws are all about controlling the population and forcing them to do something, regardless of whether or not it makes sense - in my opinion.

Well, it's not like controlling is something that's new to them. Sure it doesn't show a departure from the controlling nature of the government, but it's something that's a lot more positive than some other things they can, and have, come up with.

For example, forcing people to move, the child thing, labor conditions, tv, Internet. At least taking care of your parents is something that is positive, in my view. I can see how people would be dead set against something like this, though.

It has nothing to do with being a good person or not. There are so many extenuating circumstances which apply to why a person wouldn't visit their parents.

Would you mind elaborating?

This was definitely one of the best comments. Kudos!

Thanks Mr. M...near and dear to my heart as my niece was a throw-away daughter of China. In my mind, a government that would passively support such inhumanity as that does not deserve the benefit of the doubt in this scenario.

Wow, I'm glad she made it out of that situation. Thanks for sharing your personal experience. I completely agree. So many people are citing, "cultural beliefs," but beliefs are rather twisted in many ways.

They have more than enough, especially in China. Why not add more (being totally sarcastic)?

It's rooted in governmental control more than anything else, really.

There are a great many circumstances which could prevent them from visiting, but I understand your point!

Yeah I get that some people have circumstances that prevent visiting their parents often. I just think when you can, you should. I share a place with my mom. So I get a steady dose of mom ALL the time:/ I'm thankful to have her though.

Ha!
Yeah, you definitely should. It sucks to think about, but all of our times will come...

It's a nice thought with very little potential for fairness or justice.

I'm not quite sure, actually. I believe it's word of mouth more than anything. There is a link at the bottom of all of the comments that you can read for more details. :)

But I do understand its a cultural thing

It's NOT a cultural thing... Their culture has become increasingly westernized. If it were a culture thing, why would they have to legally mandate it?

It's stems from a cultural belief that elders deserve the utmost respect... Laws were put in place in an attempt to preserve that aspect of culture, whether rightly or wrongly.

It certainly doesn't mean nearly as much! The law just doesn't make sense beyond the fact that it's a nice idea...

Everyone has a reason, whether it's a good one or not.

Agreed!

One of my many thoughts on the matter. It's just not reasonable, in my opinion, to expect such.

Traditionally. Today's China is becoming increasingly more westernized.

Exactly! There are so many factors which have to be taken into account...
This isn't fair by any means, regardless of what their cultural beliefs used to be entail.

Absolutely! Unfortunately, the Chinese people accept this type of governing. /:

How are you, MissN? :)

Good, good, other than I can't get Nizabelle to guess on my 2 truths, 1 lie post to reveal the answer *pout* ..but got the caps back in the sn =D How are you, MrLucchese?

I can't change my name back! )':

You could always just tell me your answer. (;

I'm alright, I suppose... Thanks, lovely. :)

Tony said you can try changing it to something else and changing it back with the caps to see if that works =)
..or you can hound her for me, so she gets her a** on it ASAP..
What would make it better, MrLucchese?

I'll try my best to. ;P She's very strong minded, we know that one. ;) I'll comment the link to it from dawl's profile! That might motivate her.
Thank you for telling me about the username, too!

I've only left one reply about it when she wasn't here, she probably hasn't seen it, caught up with all the excitement that comes with commenting =p
I bet bringing back your caps would make your day!..

They're back! That helps a bit, I guess! I had a friend attempt suicide earlier today so I am a bit rattled by that, but I'm just trying to keep distracted.

How did you find out =o

Her family called me. She tried to overdose but her parents caught her and rushed her to the emergency room. I have been there for her for the past few years... She's always felt comfortable talking to me about anything since I was one of the only

one who didn't judge her since she has minor anorexia. I couldn't believe it... I still can't... I'm so glad she didn't succeed. Anyway, yeah, that was my concern for today...

Oo I see, I'm glad you are there for her. It says a lot about you when not only she but her family comes to you about it. Why can't you believe it? Sometimes, it's good to not succeed at certain things. SOH is such a good place to vent =)..

Why can't I believe it? She didn't even talk to me about it at all... I should have known.

I thought you meant you couldn't believe she had minor anorexia at first.. it's tough to know with such an unpredictable situation. I know I'm suppose to distract you, whoops, not doing it very well..

Nizabelle just asked a question... It's time to get the distracting started. ;) ❤ Thank you so much for listening to my complaint.

You're welcome =) ..just so you know, I'm good as a distraction as well.

No it won't be. It would never happen here, as long as rebelfury is alive.

Oh I get it... Comedy.

Yes, it is. China traditionally has a greater respect for elders and a large amount of government control, but that has changed drastically since their economy has changed.

I agree. If they're not visiting their parents, there is obviously a reason, or there are multiple... Whether they're good reasons or not.

Haha! I don't believe the punishment is jail time, but that's very funny!

They are punishing people for not providing "emotional support."

Yes, I agree.

One of many issues with the Chinese government. They're very good at their controlling, though.

as abortion pushes their fertility rate lower and lower.

Interesting observation.

Umm... Interesting. I don't see a relevant connection.

I don't know who the abortion comment is about, but low fertility rates are great, especially for China :)

@lesil, Why do you hate children?

Even in their culture there is great backlash.

Yes, absolutely. That's one of many reasons it's absurd, in my opinion.

It is certainly a good thing to do, but there are a great many extraneous circumstances which render such an action to be unnecessary and not immoral.

Oh yes... I'm sure you are right. People whose parents were awful.. Etc. I'm simply referring to those who are just callous or lazy. You know?

I suppose so. There are quite a few other circumstances why they may not be able to, but I understand your point.

Not all parents are good parents. Not all parents are the ones that raise their children.

parents not raising their kids... great point.. maybe because they lost their since of family by not being raised with the emphasis on family... sounds like china is forcing the family values at one level

China has lost connections with their former family-centric culture. Now they are increasingly westernized in their economic and family beliefs.

That has completely changed and become increasingly westernized as their economy began leaning towards capitalism.

It is China. Most aren't christian

Most are either Buddhist or Confucian (which is more a school of thought than a religious philosophy).

As their economic policies and ideals have changed, so have the other aspects of their lives.