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Show Of Hands July 2nd, 2013 2:04pm

On Monday, Egypt's military threatened to "implement its own road map" for Egypt's future if the democratically elected President doesn't step down or negotiate with opponents. Could a military coup ever happen in the U.S.?

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laliberal Baton Rouge, LA
07/07/13 5:10 pm

Oh yes! Uncle hank and cousins billy and rayray will take down the US government!

wears Tennessee
07/04/13 8:37 pm

Americans are too lazy

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zorthog The Republic
07/04/13 1:56 pm

Yes. Most people don't know it but military officers do not swear allegiance to the president. Officers swear to support and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic and to bear true faith and allegiance to the constitution

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dangl
07/04/13 8:50 am

Doubtful but still very possible

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skittlesucker
07/03/13 2:55 pm

Not today, but if we aren't vigilant it very well could get to that point.

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skittlesucker
07/03/13 2:56 pm

At this point I'd be more worried about one of the three lettered agencies staging a coup.

HPNerd Hogwarts
07/03/13 12:51 pm

It has. That's was formed the USA in the first place. It could happen again, and is in fact headed towards that point.

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cairo2 UVM
07/03/13 1:50 pm

A revolution is different from a coup...so no, it's not what formed the US. The American Revolution was not an uprising by the British military against their own heads of state & government.

cairo2 UVM
07/03/13 1:52 pm

Revolutions also generally last longer than coups, which are generally very rapid.

HPNerd Hogwarts
07/04/13 7:08 am

Actually, while it wasn't the same thing, many of the patriots were deserted British soldiers who were sick of the king and his rule in the new world. A lot of the patriots' military tactics came from these soldiers. I do see your point, however.

princewonderton Missouri
07/03/13 12:39 pm

I feel like this is a way for the CIA to catch potential revolutionaries...

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SugarShaq
07/03/13 12:21 pm

A coup is when one person or party takes control of all branches of government. We are almost there.

cairo2 UVM
07/03/13 1:51 pm

The question related specifically to a military coup...

cairo2 UVM
07/03/13 11:30 am

So, should there be a coup? No. But Morsy could have handled this much better, and should have. It should never have gotten to this point.

cairo2 UVM
07/03/13 11:19 am

Having said that, with the language Morsi used in his response to the military ultimatum...the man is basically inviting a coup. Really, really stupid. So my sympathy, if you want to call it that for previous reasons, for him is rapidly diminishing.

cairo2 UVM
07/03/13 11:16 am

I must say, having lived there, the Muslim Brotherhood was never really as bad or dangerous as some make it out to be, and Morsi was democratically elected, so it is very difficult to condone a coup.

cairo2 UVM
07/03/13 11:10 am

...but rather how he handled the transition & the way the constitution was written & passed. That's not really an attitude present in the US, even those in opposition to any given presidential admin usually base their reasons on the Constitution.

cairo2 UVM
07/03/13 11:08 am

Having lived in Egypt for four years, the major problem there, IMO, is that a large percent of the population has no respect for the way the constitution was passed. Their issue is not, I don't think, who is president...

llamalalama
07/03/13 9:38 am

We are witnessing how the military brass is defying its responsibility to the civilian government via them permitting rape in the ranks and publicly defying the President's will to end the war in Afghanistan. JFK almost had a coup on his hands b/c he didn't attack Castro during the Missile Crisis.

cairo2 UVM
07/03/13 11:13 am

Defiance is a long way from a military coup. Opposition always exists to any policy. But a coup is a substantial step beyond that, because it essentially nullifies the Constitution. An area few are willing to enter.

ScrewU Gone
07/03/13 12:13 pm

Wtf are you even talking about? Neither of those even make sense. Condoning rape? Refusing to leave Afghanistan? Whatever liberal horse crap you're reading, I suggest you stop.

cairo2 UVM
07/03/13 12:17 pm

I wasn't going to go that far, but yes, I'm not really sure what the basis for those particular examples were...

lylypiano Kitten Love
07/03/13 7:54 am

Can someone explain what implement its own road map means?

cairo2 UVM
07/03/13 11:14 am

Essentially, seize power & rewrite the constitution. That's it in a nutshell. In countries like Egypt, once a civilian government loses the backing of the military, they're pretty much gone.

mac007 Mars
07/03/13 6:24 am

President Eisenhower warned us to beware the rise of the military/industrial complex.

Mattwall1
07/02/13 10:53 pm

Ever heard of the business plot anyone? FDR was almost overthrown by big business seriously as for now the cold war made any criticism of anything tantamount to communism so maybe maybe not

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redrooster San Diego
07/02/13 9:04 pm

The coup is already underway.

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think4yourself Not a safe space
07/02/13 8:21 pm

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
-Thomas Jefferson

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huxley84 head space
07/02/13 7:57 pm

Has happened in the past and can always happen again. Is it as imminent as some believe? Probably not - and hopefully not.

coal 80132
07/02/13 7:27 pm

It already did. That's how the U.S. was born.

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danno9
07/02/13 6:08 pm

Sure. Might be why the democrats always try to cut the military to the bone.

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Doopy Remedial Americanism
07/02/13 5:44 pm

Behold the Law of Large Numbers: as the duration of a nation increases, the probability of it experiencing a coup approaches 1.

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Rosebud Ohio
07/02/13 5:40 pm

Could it ever happen? Of course. We aren't some magical country impervious to bad or crazy things happening. I don't think it's terribly likely though.

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nickvicious
07/02/13 5:36 pm

I smell a Glen Beck rant brewing. The godless commies are coming for your children and your guns.

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pinkyusuck The Carribean. I wish.
07/02/13 7:15 pm

At least you're aware of it. Information is power. Now go do something to stop the Commies!

teppofan Rt. 66 Hackberry, AZ
07/02/13 5:36 pm

It may be our only hope!

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everydayguy Arkansas
07/02/13 5:31 pm

It already has happened in America. November 22, 1963. We've been under military rule and international war ever since.

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rxstudent
07/02/13 4:56 pm

As a people we are far too apathetic and complacent to ever stage a revolution.

rcgrant south carolina
07/02/13 6:40 pm

I agree in a sence. think the biggest thing would be the lack of leadership for such a thing

146787456777 .......
07/02/13 4:48 pm

Possible? yes. Very likley? Probably not

SugarShaq
07/02/13 4:29 pm

We are close to civil war as it is, under the president who promised "There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is a United States of America." And “I don’t want to pit Red America against Blue America. I want to be the president
 of the United States of America.”

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ScrewU Gone
07/02/13 4:32 pm

Did he actually say that? With a straight face?

SugarShaq
07/03/13 12:23 pm

Over the same issues as 150 years ago. States rights vs federal imposition and dominance.

blw1104 Pennsylvania
07/02/13 4:22 pm

For all who have never served, I will explain a few things. One: Every recruit who has ever gone through military basic training has the chain of command hammered into them. Two: The President of the United States is listed at the top of said list...

Threeper301 Gilbert, AZ
07/02/13 4:29 pm

Are you saying that the military has no right rise up against tyranny?

Gunfighter
07/02/13 4:30 pm

The military swears (or affirms) allegiance to the Constitution, not the chain of command or the president.

Threeper301 Gilbert, AZ
07/02/13 4:33 pm

If he/she breaches the Constitution, or her/his Oath of Office, the Presidency is null and void.

geazer
07/02/13 4:58 pm

...and the Constitution says that the president is commander in chief of the army and the navy. So I don't understand gunfighter's point. Maybe some time in the brig might help.

Threeper301 Gilbert, AZ
07/02/13 5:01 pm

Then if the Commander-in-Chief is unfit for duty, relieve him or her of their command.

Threeper301 Gilbert, AZ
07/02/13 5:03 pm

...which is the intent of a military coup. The only reason it would be a military coup is because in all of history, no tyrant has EVER willingly relinquished their position of power.

dlaw4570
07/02/13 5:47 pm

That's my concern! After many years in the military there are far too many only concerned about their careers who would follow the president in a take over! Huge Egos involved!

rcgrant south carolina
07/02/13 6:47 pm

I can appreciate that fact...but
the oath is keep because of moral fiber. the same fiber that will cause them to abandoned that oath if it be in conflict with a higher belief or view.

stinkypete In the Sky
07/03/13 4:58 am

Am I mistaken that part of our re-up oath says "I will obey the orders of the president of the united states, and the orders of the officers appointed over me"
Yeah. It says that.

Threeper301 Gilbert, AZ
07/03/13 5:36 am

Before those words are even spoken, your first allegiance is to the Constitution. Therefore if your orders breach the Constitution, or are unlawful orders, then you stand by the Constitution and support and defend it at all costs.

3acn
07/02/13 4:10 pm

I do not support one, but I think it is more likely than most people think.

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Doopy Remedial Americanism
07/02/13 3:51 pm

52% of people just read "could a military coup ever happen in the U.S." as "do you think a military coup in the U.S. is likely?"

I never do that^, but in this case, it is true.

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ziplock
07/02/13 3:39 pm

The United States has much stronger constitutional traditions than Egypt. It would take a severe deterioration of the rule of law in the United States for a military coup to be fathomable.

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3acn
07/02/13 4:11 pm

The constitution is pretty well deteriorated. Most politicians live like kings and do not live by the same laws.

ScrewU Gone
07/02/13 4:23 pm

Egypt lives by laws handed down by their religion. By all accounts they're fairly severe. What they do not accept is injustice.

You will never see a protest sign demanding hurriya (freedom). What they demand is adalla (justice).

SugarShaq
07/02/13 9:11 pm

Since the constitution is the law of our land, I would say we are there. Why do you think homeland "security" has bought up billions of ammunition that they are forbidden from using outside our borders?

Vincere Seattle
07/02/13 3:17 pm

The government has always had pretty clear control of the military in this country. Add that to our hundreds of years of democratic tradition, and I don't think we have to worry about it any time soon.

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vstrom Washington
07/02/13 5:47 pm

Hmmm. Gitmo is not closed. The president said that he is trying. What's to try? Colonel close it down. 24 hours later it is closed. So who is in power?

Gunfighter
07/02/13 2:28 pm

Yes, but not a military coup in the traditional sense. I could easily see the military siding with the anti-government faction in a hypothetical second American civil war.

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Threeper301 Gilbert, AZ
07/02/13 2:31 pm

...and if there is a legitimate violation of the Constitution, then they would be justified in doing so. The Oath of Enlistment, the first clause of the Oath, says "...Support and Defend the CONSTITUTION of the United States..."; not the government.

Gunfighter
07/02/13 2:48 pm

^Exactly. Most current and former servicemen know that their allegiance is to the Constitution, not the government

pinkyusuck The Carribean. I wish.
07/02/13 2:25 pm

I hope that we never get to the point that we need it, but it might be better than the road that we're heading down now.

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skinner Wisconsin
07/02/13 2:15 pm

The military has already stated they are not planning a coup

anarchy GET OFF MY LAWN
07/02/13 2:17 pm

Hahaha. I laughed harder at this than i probably should have...

anarchy GET OFF MY LAWN
07/02/13 2:22 pm

Aw man! Shoulda let it stat satire... :-)

honest
07/02/13 2:03 pm

Anything is possible. People just forget that until it happens.

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theNobamist Silicon Valley
07/02/13 1:43 pm

That's why the Left wants to disarm the public.

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SugarShaq
07/02/13 10:35 pm

And arm homeland security

llamalalama
07/03/13 9:39 am

Could not be a more grossly inaccurate statement

CamaroSS Pensacola, FL
07/02/13 1:40 pm

I am a United States Sailor. I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America....

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Threeper301 Gilbert, AZ
07/02/13 2:20 pm

This Marine's right there with you.

DavesNotHere where am I
07/02/13 2:53 pm

Beautiful! From an old squid. You rock.

ScrewU Gone
07/02/13 4:33 pm

Hated your boats, but the chow was pretty good c

stinkypete In the Sky
07/03/13 5:12 am

I said It earlier and ill say it again. That same oath of enlistment/reup says " I will obey the orders of the president of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me"

Threeper301 Gilbert, AZ
07/03/13 5:38 am

So, you're willing to commit treason against the Constitution over supporting and defending it?

notalib Trump Supporter
07/02/13 12:48 pm

Still far from it, but possible.

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Injectable Mojave Mo Problems
07/02/13 1:08 pm

I don't see how. If the country is that fractured the military would be as well, political views are as diverse in leadership as anywhere else. Even if you had a few who agreed with a coupe there's no way you could get the whole military behind it.

Threeper301 Gilbert, AZ
07/02/13 1:19 pm

If there's a clear violation of the Constitution, and military members want to stage a coup d'etat because if it, then those who stay to defend the government are the traitors; not the rebels.

tchance2 32218
07/02/13 12:30 pm

I think the government (and apparently a majority of the people) forget sometimes that we are all individually free and that we OWN our government not the other way around.

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Threeper301 Gilbert, AZ
07/02/13 12:44 pm

Our government is not the "Great and Powerful Oz"; they are the man behind the curtain. ;-)

DavesNotHere where am I
07/02/13 2:55 pm

The greatest lines in any constitution anywhere are 'of the people, for the people and by the people'. We own the company, the government doesn't.

DavesNotHere where am I
07/02/13 5:16 pm

Well since the constitution hasn't changed, technically we still do. But I see your point of view. And I can't argue with you. The tough question is how do we take it back.

Threeper301 Gilbert, AZ
07/02/13 5:25 pm

Simple; at the polls. If that doesn't work, petition. If that doesn't work, protest.

THEN if they try to suppress our protests, RESIST AND REVOLT.

Revolution is ALWAYS the LAST RESORT.