On Monday, Egypt's military threatened to "implement its own road map" for Egypt's future if the democratically elected President doesn't step down or negotiate with opponents. Could a military coup ever happen in the U.S.?
The South Will rise again!
I though POTUS already did it!
Oh yes! Uncle hank and cousins billy and rayray will take down the US government!
Not likely, but I wish it would!
Americans are too lazy
Yes. Most people don't know it but military officers do not swear allegiance to the president. Officers swear to support and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic and to bear true faith and allegiance to the constitution
Doubtful but still very possible
Not today, but if we aren't vigilant it very well could get to that point.
At this point I'd be more worried about one of the three lettered agencies staging a coup.
It has. That's was formed the USA in the first place. It could happen again, and is in fact headed towards that point.
A revolution is different from a coup...so no, it's not what formed the US. The American Revolution was not an uprising by the British military against their own heads of state & government.
Revolutions also generally last longer than coups, which are generally very rapid.
Actually, while it wasn't the same thing, many of the patriots were deserted British soldiers who were sick of the king and his rule in the new world. A lot of the patriots' military tactics came from these soldiers. I do see your point, however.
I feel like this is a way for the CIA to catch potential revolutionaries...
A coup is when one person or party takes control of all branches of government. We are almost there.
The question related specifically to a military coup...
So, should there be a coup? No. But Morsy could have handled this much better, and should have. It should never have gotten to this point.
Having said that, with the language Morsi used in his response to the military ultimatum...the man is basically inviting a coup. Really, really stupid. So my sympathy, if you want to call it that for previous reasons, for him is rapidly diminishing.
I must say, having lived there, the Muslim Brotherhood was never really as bad or dangerous as some make it out to be, and Morsi was democratically elected, so it is very difficult to condone a coup.
...but rather how he handled the transition & the way the constitution was written & passed. That's not really an attitude present in the US, even those in opposition to any given presidential admin usually base their reasons on the Constitution.
Having lived in Egypt for four years, the major problem there, IMO, is that a large percent of the population has no respect for the way the constitution was passed. Their issue is not, I don't think, who is president...
We are witnessing how the military brass is defying its responsibility to the civilian government via them permitting rape in the ranks and publicly defying the President's will to end the war in Afghanistan. JFK almost had a coup on his hands b/c he didn't attack Castro during the Missile Crisis.
Defiance is a long way from a military coup. Opposition always exists to any policy. But a coup is a substantial step beyond that, because it essentially nullifies the Constitution. An area few are willing to enter.
Wtf are you even talking about? Neither of those even make sense. Condoning rape? Refusing to leave Afghanistan? Whatever liberal horse crap you're reading, I suggest you stop.
I wasn't going to go that far, but yes, I'm not really sure what the basis for those particular examples were...
Can someone explain what implement its own road map means?
Essentially, seize power & rewrite the constitution. That's it in a nutshell. In countries like Egypt, once a civilian government loses the backing of the military, they're pretty much gone.
President Eisenhower warned us to beware the rise of the military/industrial complex.
Ever heard of the business plot anyone? FDR was almost overthrown by big business seriously as for now the cold war made any criticism of anything tantamount to communism so maybe maybe not
The coup is already underway.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Has happened in the past and can always happen again. Is it as imminent as some believe? Probably not - and hopefully not.
It already did. That's how the U.S. was born.
Sure. Might be why the democrats always try to cut the military to the bone.
Behold the Law of Large Numbers: as the duration of a nation increases, the probability of it experiencing a coup approaches 1.
Could it ever happen? Of course. We aren't some magical country impervious to bad or crazy things happening. I don't think it's terribly likely though.
I smell a Glen Beck rant brewing. The godless commies are coming for your children and your guns.
At least you're aware of it. Information is power. Now go do something to stop the Commies!
It may be our only hope!
It already has happened in America. November 22, 1963. We've been under military rule and international war ever since.
As a people we are far too apathetic and complacent to ever stage a revolution.
I agree in a sence. think the biggest thing would be the lack of leadership for such a thing
Possible? yes. Very likley? Probably not
We are close to civil war as it is, under the president who promised "There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is a United States of America." And “I don’t want to pit Red America against Blue America. I want to be the president
of the United States of America.”
Did he actually say that? With a straight face?
We are close to a civil war??
Over the same issues as 150 years ago. States rights vs federal imposition and dominance.
For all who have never served, I will explain a few things. One: Every recruit who has ever gone through military basic training has the chain of command hammered into them. Two: The President of the United States is listed at the top of said list...
Are you saying that the military has no right rise up against tyranny?
The military swears (or affirms) allegiance to the Constitution, not the chain of command or the president.
If he/she breaches the Constitution, or her/his Oath of Office, the Presidency is null and void.
...and the Constitution says that the president is commander in chief of the army and the navy. So I don't understand gunfighter's point. Maybe some time in the brig might help.
Then if the Commander-in-Chief is unfit for duty, relieve him or her of their command.
...which is the intent of a military coup. The only reason it would be a military coup is because in all of history, no tyrant has EVER willingly relinquished their position of power.
That's my concern! After many years in the military there are far too many only concerned about their careers who would follow the president in a take over! Huge Egos involved!
I can appreciate that fact...but
the oath is keep because of moral fiber. the same fiber that will cause them to abandoned that oath if it be in conflict with a higher belief or view.
Am I mistaken that part of our re-up oath says "I will obey the orders of the president of the united states, and the orders of the officers appointed over me"
Yeah. It says that.
Before those words are even spoken, your first allegiance is to the Constitution. Therefore if your orders breach the Constitution, or are unlawful orders, then you stand by the Constitution and support and defend it at all costs.
I do not support one, but I think it is more likely than most people think.
52% of people just read "could a military coup ever happen in the U.S." as "do you think a military coup in the U.S. is likely?"
I never do that^, but in this case, it is true.
The United States has much stronger constitutional traditions than Egypt. It would take a severe deterioration of the rule of law in the United States for a military coup to be fathomable.
The constitution is pretty well deteriorated. Most politicians live like kings and do not live by the same laws.
Egypt lives by laws handed down by their religion. By all accounts they're fairly severe. What they do not accept is injustice.
You will never see a protest sign demanding hurriya (freedom). What they demand is adalla (justice).
Since the constitution is the law of our land, I would say we are there. Why do you think homeland "security" has bought up billions of ammunition that they are forbidden from using outside our borders?
The government has always had pretty clear control of the military in this country. Add that to our hundreds of years of democratic tradition, and I don't think we have to worry about it any time soon.
Hmmm. Gitmo is not closed. The president said that he is trying. What's to try? Colonel close it down. 24 hours later it is closed. So who is in power?
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Yes, but not a military coup in the traditional sense. I could easily see the military siding with the anti-government faction in a hypothetical second American civil war.
...and if there is a legitimate violation of the Constitution, then they would be justified in doing so. The Oath of Enlistment, the first clause of the Oath, says "...Support and Defend the CONSTITUTION of the United States..."; not the government.
^Exactly. Most current and former servicemen know that their allegiance is to the Constitution, not the government
I hope that we never get to the point that we need it, but it might be better than the road that we're heading down now.
The military has already stated they are not planning a coup
Hahaha. I laughed harder at this than i probably should have...
Egypt's military I mean.
Aw man! Shoulda let it stat satire... :-)
Anything is possible. People just forget that until it happens.
That's why the Left wants to disarm the public.
And arm homeland security
Could not be a more grossly inaccurate statement
I am a United States Sailor. I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America....
This Marine's right there with you.
Beautiful! From an old squid. You rock.
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I said It earlier and ill say it again. That same oath of enlistment/reup says " I will obey the orders of the president of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me"
So, you're willing to commit treason against the Constitution over supporting and defending it?
Still far from it, but possible.
I don't see how. If the country is that fractured the military would be as well, political views are as diverse in leadership as anywhere else. Even if you had a few who agreed with a coupe there's no way you could get the whole military behind it.
If there's a clear violation of the Constitution, and military members want to stage a coup d'etat because if it, then those who stay to defend the government are the traitors; not the rebels.
I think the government (and apparently a majority of the people) forget sometimes that we are all individually free and that we OWN our government not the other way around.
Our government is not the "Great and Powerful Oz"; they are the man behind the curtain. ;-)
The greatest lines in any constitution anywhere are 'of the people, for the people and by the people'. We own the company, the government doesn't.
We used to.
Well since the constitution hasn't changed, technically we still do. But I see your point of view. And I can't argue with you. The tough question is how do we take it back.
Simple; at the polls. If that doesn't work, petition. If that doesn't work, protest.
THEN if they try to suppress our protests, RESIST AND REVOLT.
Revolution is ALWAYS the LAST RESORT.