The first official Atheists Monument has been dedicated in Florida. The atheists group who did this wants one in all 50 states. Do you agree with them or not?
It's easy to explain the confusion. But, too hard to do in this format. 1 point- A group such as the American Atheists, FreeThinkers etc are not "religious" groups or wannabe "religions." Just as the Lions & Elks clubs aren't. Silly!
Go back & read the story S l o w l y. There is more than one issue trying to be made. No "getting back" or "wanting 'their own religion, bible..." (real silly.)
Take a breath & you'll see why some Atheists disagree w/other Atheists. They feel that allowing a religious monument on public property so a "non- religious" group could also have one isn't right.
If anything it lets a religious group skirt the law. Plus, two wrongs don't make a right. Besides, a Non- religious symbol is not bound by the separation of church & state. So, they could legally put one in the "FreeZone."
You'll also see how this all started when an intolerant religious group their monument on public property & then fought to not take it down or simply move it to a private owned area.
No one was attacking any religion but standing up for federal & state law & local restrictions in effect in all 50 States. & some like minded atheists want to show that they too, are welcomed in society & that it's ok to hold non-religious beliefs.
They no longer have to be afraid or scared if what they believe or not, were to be known by "petulant," (your word) intolerant people. Just like many others have been, in America's past.
Atheists, Agnostics or any combo of both are the fastest growing group in America and in the wise words of Stuart Smalley, "We're Good Enough. We're Smart Enough & Doggone It, People Like Us!
If you really want to dislike or be intolerant of a monument , you all may wish to band together against the Stonehedge like monument erected in Elbert County, Georgia by the Bilderberg Group.
They're a very secret & scary Society & possibly a big reason why our President's hair turns white so soon after entering office!
Bilderberg Monument a.k.a. Georgia Guidestones. Look it up & find out what is chiseled into the stones.
Anyway, the atheist group in FL. Want the FreeZone to one on commonality. Promoting ideas, people all Floridians can get behind such as their hero soldiers fallen & alive. Great things Florida is known for. Bring people together. Not promote religion
Just read that this was on government property. I hope there is a monument for every other religion there too.
"Every other religion" .... Atheism is the lack or absence of religion, so that makes zero sense.
If you don't believe in God, who are you erecting a moment for, yourselves? It's a bit of an ego trip then!
My guess is they're doing it for the tenets of atheism more for themselves.
Monuments are sometimes for ideas or events. Not just people or gods.
I think it's a cool idea. One of the quotes is a little condescending which is unnecessary IMO. Kind of silly, but still cool.
I don't care if they do it or not. I wouldn't oppose them even if I think their message is foolish.
As a religious person I wouldn't oppose, but I do question why.
I'm an atheist and I don't see the point. It kind of goes against atheistic thinking, in my opinion.
But if they want to, have at it. It shouldn't be on gov property or sanctioned by the gov, though.
It should not matter if it is on government property due to the fact that American politics is supposed to be separation of church and state.
Which is exactly why it should not be on government property. Or, let all faiths, religions, beliefs erect monuments on government property. Clearly, the later is impractical.
That is a good point. It would be impractical.
Everything wertiyo said. Yes.
It's in a "free speech zone" near a courthouse.
Right next to a monument with the ten commandments.
Next they'll make the Ten Commandments of Atheism and the Atheist Bible and we'll also have an Atheist pope with Atheist cardinals. Atheism should never come off as some sort of religion, but this makes it one step closer to becoming exactly that.
Agreed. I despise many modern atheists. They don't get it. They want to turn it into a religious institution. They just don't get it. That's why I despise the whole FSM thing. People are losing focus.
It's probably a reaction to the prevalence of religious practices in this country.
Sort of a knee jerk reaction. An attempt to spread the idea of atheism to more ppl.
They have the right to put the monument up, just like Christians have the right to put crosses, the nativity scene and other religious things up as well. I don't have a problem with it.
I don't mean this in a bad way, but I could care less one way or the other.
The only reason I care is because it goes against what we stand for. No wonder some people say it's a religion :-(
I could see that, EB. I don't really know where I stand on religion, so that's why I said that.
It doesn't make sense to me. Atheism is not a religion, but more like the lack of one. And what is the monument possibly of? As in what does it look like?
Though I completely disagree with their metaphysical underpinnings, they have a right under the constitution to express their ideas in a public forum. I hope that they will show tolerance towards those of us who believe in intelligent design.
It's no more silly than posting religious symbolism on other monuments.
Having said that I don't mind monuments honoring soldiers with religious quotes on them.
I realize its part of our traditions.
They have the right to do what ever they want no matter how petulant they seem doing it :-)
To me it's just a way to get back at the religious people who want the Ten Commandments in public places or crosses or whatever religion. They feel represented now.
It's a black eye towards atheism. As it very immature.
I see now this happened now. Somebody protested the monuments for the ten commandments, saying it amounted to a government endorsement of religion, and tried to get it removed but failed. During mediation they were told they could have their own ...
... monument. So that's what they did.
The whole thing is kind of hilarious. But the monument is a bit ridiculous, I've never heard of people raising monuments to their non-beliefs before.
Private property and privately funded they can do what they want. No tax payer money.
Agree with everyone who are confused what this is for.
First Amendment, IMO, protects the right of those who reject any religious affiliation freedom of expression. I see no reason, as a believer to get my panties in a wad over their monument any more than I can appreciate unbeliever's issue w/mine.
If they believe the 10 Commandments are unmitigated ignorance I fail to see how that is their problem. I defend their right to be foolish to the same degree I expect that consideration from them for what they define as foolishness.
I'm gonna start an A-Santa-ist group for all of us who don't believe in Santa. We can meet up and talk about escaping the all-pervading influence of Santa Claus.
Maybe we'll even build a monument . . .
I think they need to get over themselves. It's like having a straight pride parade - are you really that petty and insecure?
I guess this was to be expected. They feel left out maybe?
These people are ridiculous. Did you see what the monument says? Really.
I am a believer and have a great joy of it. But if the atheist want to erect their own monument that's fine just don't expect me to want to tear down a cross because someone in Wisconsin is offended there is a cross in Coos Bay.
This actually happened in CoosBay. There is a cross erected for and by Vietnam veterans. Jewish and Islamic plaques are next to it. A tourist from Wisconsin is making this a federal case wanting to cross to be removed because they were offended.
They have a right to have such. Just as religious groups have a right.
What exactly is it? A monument to famous atheists or a monument to atheism?
I would take issue were it the latter. That defies the fundamental concept of atheism.
From what I saw on TV, it's a white stone block with an 'A' logo on top. Nothing spectacular, but its there.
Stupid. Simply a waste of money.
It's confusing...many atheists I've spoken to insist that atheism itself is not a religion. This is making it seem more and more like one...
No kidding. I'm confused about the atheist group as well? What's that about?
⬆ Atheist who is equally confused....
Yeah after reading all your comments from yesterday Jen, I'm just like what...
Why in the world are they doing that?! It goes against what we stand for!
As someone who is not religious at all, I have to wonder, what on earth is that for?
What the hell is an "atheists' monument"? Where is it located? I assume private property.
Just googled and it's actually on public land just outside a courthouse. Right next to a monument with the ten commandments.
Woot. I still see no need for a monument, but it's not a bad thing.