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veritas1 July 1st, 2013 5:25pm

Michigan University studies found that when misinformed people were given facts, rarely did they change their view in light of the reality, and many even became more fervent in their beliefs. Have you seen this phenomenon in yourself or in others?

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lesil Colorado
07/01/13 10:03 pm

I've learned to never express my opinion of "mediums" to those who watch "Long Island Medium" for this very reason.

shellybaxter1234 Peaceful Place
07/01/13 7:54 pm

Lets not mess things up with the facts

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avril89lavigne RVa
07/01/13 7:11 pm

My WHOLE family...
My mom took an online quiz to show what party her views most closely represented. She is a Republican with no earthly idea about politics. She ended up much closer to being a liberal than a conservative. And boy was she mad! Haha!

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Vincere Seattle
07/01/13 2:57 pm

That's how humans operate. Form an opinion first then seek out facts to back it up. Confirmation bias.

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DrReid Ever present.
07/01/13 2:24 pm

Evolution, Climate Change, GMO's, Nuclear Power, Obama's fiscal policies, Obama's citizenship, etc...

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MrMilkdud Pref pronouns Thou Thee
07/01/13 1:46 pm

"Facts " aren't the only issue- facts can be cherry picked, skewed, and otherwise manipulated to obscure the truth.
I can collect "facts" to prove just about anything I want.
Facts have to be weighed against trust and conflicting facts.

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MrMilkdud Pref pronouns Thou Thee
07/01/13 1:47 pm

did you post this study? I don't see a link anywhere...

Wert A picture of my Tit
07/01/13 1:45 pm

Uninformed people tend to believe the first thing they hear as being the truth and deny anything they find out on the same topic, later.

sweetie San Antonio, Texas
07/01/13 1:32 pm

Specially when it pertains to food. 1 day a study will show something is good for you. The next day a study will show it isn't. Bottom line...you really can't safely eat anything. Guess that's a good way to TOP, but don't know about S.

Medic1 Arkansas
07/01/13 11:42 am

The less logic you have to support your argument the more emotional attachment you have to it

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Melon No Ducklips
07/01/13 12:35 pm

I don't believe logic always points to an obvious ending result. Not all people are logical but can still be factual. I think I may have just confused myself... ;-)

cyanospool The Deep North
07/01/13 11:41 am

Most misinformation is designed to be more seductive than the truth. It's like an addiction. Trying to re-inform the long-term misinformed is like trying to hand a heroin addict a cup of coffee in exchange for their sobriety. Not going to happen.

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ishady 86451132020
07/01/13 11:23 am

Religion.
And Fox News.

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jimiscott Survivor
07/01/13 1:45 pm

Don't forget CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC.

Angela12 Anyang, South Korea
07/01/13 11:15 am

If people feel defeated they get defensive, not a surprise at all.

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XercesBlue ...
07/01/13 10:54 am

Try telling people that blood is never blue. (Politely, and with facts.)

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MrLove lovers, dreamers and me
07/01/13 11:00 am

Quit telling me what to do!

XercesBlue ...
07/01/13 11:05 am

Yes ma'am/sir!

skacey best poll is evenly split
07/01/13 9:28 pm

It may be if you are color blind

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
07/01/13 10:52 am

For any interested, this points to an established theory in Psych called Social Judgement Theory. Wiki Link below. The text "Persuasion" does an amazing job of explaining how this works. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_judgment_theory

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suppressedID Anarchist Jurisdiction
07/01/13 10:52 am

This poll is indicative of typical liberal elitism, trying to undermine productive discussion by muddying the waters with academic hype (and research probably funded with grant money for the Arts)!

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cyanospool The Deep North
07/01/13 11:45 am

For the record, when I read this poll, I first thought of old wives'-tales and urban legends rather than political or religious stuff. Lol.

eLucidate writing
07/01/13 10:46 am

I've definitely seen it. I wonder if the availability of Internet sources (credible and not) has had an effect on this phenomena one way or the other.

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Shazam Scaramouche, OH
07/01/13 10:41 am

I do not trust ANYTHING coming out of "that school up north!" ;-)

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PeppyHare Do a barrel roll
07/01/13 11:02 am

Really, it's not even football season

zman117 Ohio
07/01/13 12:26 pm

It is always football season in the buckeye state!

PeppyHare Do a barrel roll
07/01/13 12:34 pm

Lol are you guys going to be freshmen or something?

PeppyHare Do a barrel roll
07/01/13 12:34 pm

Lol are you guys going to be freshmen or something?

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
07/01/13 12:36 pm

JGB...I WISH! I went to tOSU for MBA school. Freshman status is many many moons ago!

PeppyHare Do a barrel roll
07/01/13 1:17 pm

Lol I did undergrad at fisher... Graduated a couple years ago.

PeppyHare Do a barrel roll
07/01/13 10:39 am

The truth is in many cases facts aren't as black and white as we think they are. How you perceive it matters quite a bit.

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camigirl
07/01/13 10:56 am

So true. Perception is everything

billybobjoe Narnia
07/01/13 10:38 am

That's pretty much 99% of Internet debates.

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MrLove lovers, dreamers and me
07/01/13 10:36 am

You can't tell somebody something that they don't already know. I'm guilty of it too.

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Melon No Ducklips
07/01/13 12:33 pm

I didn't know that! :-O

Melon No Ducklips
07/01/13 12:46 pm

Are those eggplants???

TopsQueen Oregon Coast
07/01/13 10:32 am

One lady was very angry at her daughter for being a lesbian. I talked her for a while. Pointed out that it was not a choice. That if sinners were not allowed to marry then no one should have the right to marry. She completely changed her views.

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redwolf thisisavalidlocation
07/01/13 10:45 am

There isn't a single fact in that argument.

TopsQueen Oregon Coast
07/01/13 10:52 am

We are all sinners is a fact. Women debate from the heart often. One sin is not greater than another. This was a discussion between two woman not something that was on a public stage.

veritas1 Panda
07/01/13 10:30 am

So based in the results of study, I think both democrats and republicans would agree that the Obama poll is a great place to test this phenomenon.

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geoag02 Dallas, TX
07/01/13 10:35 am

Tony even ran a poll once asking if you had ever changed your vote in the Obama approval poll. I think it was something like 80% no.

EarlyBird Portland
07/01/13 12:09 pm

If we could target the dems, an interesting poll would be: if you voted for O, are you sorry you did?

zman117 Ohio
07/01/13 12:29 pm

That's just you EB ????

zman117 Ohio
07/01/13 12:30 pm

I won't emojis back!

EarlyBird Portland
07/01/13 12:58 pm

Z - you honestly think it's just me? This just proves vert's report to be true :-/

zman117 Ohio
07/01/13 1:10 pm

No that's why I had the emoji that sticks it's tongue out.
Maybe I asked this before and just forget now, but when you say you are sorry for voting for Obama, are you talking about like in 08 you would rather have had Hillary? Or in 2012 Romney?

TomM
07/01/13 2:58 pm

EB this could be asked to everyone.
If you voted for Obama are you sorry:
Yes, voted for him and sorry
No, not sorry or did not vote for him
Data would be by demographic.

EarlyBird Portland
07/01/13 3:44 pm

Z- the hill

EarlyBird Portland
07/01/13 3:47 pm

Z - do you ever go into the monthly Obama poll? It's scary in there and was wondering if you ever try to defend him. If so, I want to know so I can watch.

EarlyBird Portland
07/01/13 3:48 pm

Hey, do you ever try to defend O in the monthly Obama poll?

EarlyBird Portland
07/01/13 3:50 pm

Oh wow! That second comment wasn't supposed to go there. That was weird

zman117 Ohio
07/01/13 4:50 pm

I actually have a few times. You have to be prepared to do that though lol. You get swarmed by a bunch of crazies faster then you can even reply. I need back up if I'm going to do it again....

rolltribe Ohio
07/01/13 10:30 am

It happens to republicans all the time lol

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veritas1 Panda
07/01/13 10:31 am

They would say the same about Democrats.

OhTheIrony Learning from you
07/01/13 10:34 am

It happens to everyone.

rolltribe Ohio
07/01/13 10:58 am

Yea it definitely happens to everyone. I was just joking with that comment

meaning Red Stick
07/01/13 10:30 am

I present exhibit A) the 2012 elections.

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r3VOLution not of this world
07/01/13 10:30 am

Refer to my poll about drug testing for welfare. It costs taxpayers more money to do drug testing than it does to write welfare checks. I displayed that fact in the question and the majority is still in favor of spending money on tests.

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redwolf thisisavalidlocation
07/01/13 10:46 am

That's because people don't want drug addicts getting welfare.

DrReid Ever present.
07/01/13 2:21 pm

But welfare recipients are not shown to have a higher than average rate of drug abuse. Anyway, it simply is not cost effective, that it all that matters.

jonny323
07/02/13 8:23 am

That pisses me off to no end. They are just taking a program that they hate and trying to associate it with drug use Then tie up much of the program's funds in unneeded drug tests just so less people will receive welfare.

FIAT2LUX On Planet Earth
07/01/13 10:28 am

Way too many times. It's sad. It often times though does make a difference in the result if you are tactful in stating the facts that oppose their opinion.

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rk1222 Gone so soon
07/01/13 10:30 am

Evolution is still technically a theory which means their are no specific facts that are entirely indisputable. Even though I personally think evolution is plausible, it still isn't a resolute fact.

Mattiga14 Massachusetts
07/01/13 10:33 am

Scientific theory is different than a layman's theory.

If it were a layman's theory it would be a hypothesis.

eLucidate writing
07/01/13 10:40 am

Just like gravity is still a theory.

PeppyHare Do a barrel roll
07/01/13 10:42 am

I don't think there's any denying that species evolve and change... I do think natural selection is far short of giving us a whole picture of why species change.

PeppyHare Do a barrel roll
07/01/13 10:44 am

Gravity is still a theory but you can't deny it... Some flat out deny any evolution whatsoever.

redwolf thisisavalidlocation
07/01/13 10:48 am

Right, it's a scientific theory, which means it has a lot of scientific backing. Nevertheless, it still is not a fact. That's what the first commenter was saying.

eLucidate writing
07/01/13 10:52 am

Well saying evolution is still a theory implies it is waiting to become something else. It isn't. Theory is a large concept that explains a range of phenomena. The theory of evolution will always be called a theory.

rk1222 Gone so soon
07/01/13 10:56 am

It would become a law if we physically witnessed it happening. Right now it's speculation and using fossil records, DNA matching, etc., which I find sufficient but others might not and that's okay, too.

eLucidate writing
07/01/13 10:58 am

No it would not. Scientific law and theory are not a hierarchy, they are two different concepts.

rk1222 Gone so soon
07/01/13 11:03 am

I know that they are not a hierarchy, however, if we could prove (most likely by witnessing) that evolution ALWAYS happens then it would become a law. My point still stands-evolution is not a fact even if we want it to be.

eLucidate writing
07/01/13 11:04 am

An easy way to tell the difference- laws are specific and usually have a mathematical equation like KE= 1/2 mv^2, a theory is a broader concept that may explain the connection between a series of laws.

eLucidate writing
07/01/13 11:06 am

You are doing a fine job of proving this poll. And yes we can witness evolution in bacteria and other organisms that have a high rate of reproduction. No there is nothing that could ever change it to a law, because it simply is not a law.

rk1222 Gone so soon
07/01/13 11:14 am

I told you once and I'll say it again: I have no problem with evolution! So I'm not proving this poll! I have just stated that I feel like some people might have more of a reason to not accept evolution due to it being a theory.

Mattiga14 Massachusetts
07/01/13 11:16 am

If they don't "believe"/ accept evolution because its s theory they don't know what a scientific theory is.

rk1222 Gone so soon
07/01/13 11:20 am

Then explain it to "them", you have no quarrel with me. Though I am religious, I personally think that evolution makes since and that science and religion make sense together. In fact it aggravates me when people deny science.

eLucidate writing
07/01/13 11:24 am

Sorry, wasn't trying to quarrel, just trying to demonstrate what a theory is.

OhTheIrony Learning from you
07/01/13 10:26 am

People don't like being told they're wrong. It's sad. :(

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