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palindrome June 30th, 2013 11:05pm

Update: the "up-riser" question had a plot-twist. I wanted to see how much support the Occupy protests would have if only political labels were removed. Although political labels are important, it was still interesting to see results. Surprised?

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ladestra Urban Conservative
06/30/13 9:29 pm

I'm with susanr on this one. Once OWS started raping women and shìtíng on police cars, it kinda draws a contrast between people I would or would not associate with.

susanr Colorado
06/30/13 4:18 pm

For me, the dealbreaker was the violence. I'm all for protest, the more creative the better, but I don't want the government to just sit by when it comes to violence, property damage, or even just pooping on the sidewalk. I felt forced to vote gov't.

veritas1 Panda
06/30/13 4:23 pm

I thought it was the government committing the violence?

susanr Colorado
06/30/13 4:28 pm

In palindrome's other poll his explanation was "Yes, the uprisers are destroying or defacing property. Some are violent but most are...." About gov't: "And yes, the govt has responded with a heavy hand but they've also warned the uprisers to...

susanr Colorado
06/30/13 4:29 pm

"..disperse & go back home."

That sounds like the uprisers were the violent ones. "Heavy hand" doesn't imply violence to me. That's what I based my vote on. (And I had changed it - I initially voted for uprisers.)

veritas1 Panda
06/30/13 4:35 pm

Oh ok. I only read the question. Then I agree with you.

palindrome California
06/30/13 4:37 pm

There are always going to be bad apples that take advantage of these situations to cause mayhem. Unfortunately, they're almost indistinguishable from legitimate protesters. By saying some are violent but MOST were peaceful, I hoped to compensate

palindrome California
06/30/13 4:39 pm

for the element in all protests. "Destroying or defacing property" was something I added bc it's something the media always covers to attempt to discredit popular protests. But obviously, in a large protest, things are going to break, garbage is

palindrome California
06/30/13 4:39 pm

going to pile up. Unless port-o-potties are reserved for the occasion lol people are going to go in allies etc...

palindrome California
06/30/13 4:41 pm

I DID add one piece of fantasy in just to really push the limit of people's tolerance of this type of action. Not sure if people also read that part but I said "installations had been set on fire" and blah blah.. I did that because I really wanted to

palindrome California
06/30/13 4:43 pm

see just how far that tolerance for public property damage would go. As you may remember, media outlets, particularly Fox, really took issue with public property damage of Occupy protests, as did many who were opposed to them. Interesting results

susanr Colorado
06/30/13 4:55 pm

I can't even see deliberate property damage as acceptable. What would MLK say? Gandhi? And the pooper I saw was going right beside a parking meter. One could be a little discreet. I'm FINE with protest without damage. If you want me to discount...

susanr Colorado
06/30/13 4:57 pm

..renegades causing violence AND property damage, then I'll go with the protesters.

These are the same issues I had with demonstrations during the Vietnam war. Hated the war. Violent protesting - kinda defeats your purpose.

ClarityRose Now taking suggestions
06/30/13 6:20 pm

I did the same thing as Susan. I chose the uprisers first, but changed my answer after reading the additional info. Destroying, defacing, setting ablaze, being violent = not ok and needs to be stopped.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
06/30/13 7:32 pm

susanr covered my position exactly, and it's why I changed my vote from the up-risers I had originally supported. I don't care how righteous your grievance, when you start doing violence or destroying property, you are now just a mob in a riot.

palindrome California
06/30/13 8:00 pm

But.. But... The founding fathers!

palindrome California
06/30/13 4:07 pm

Democrats seemed more willing to want to side with the government while republicans definitely sided with up-risers. It's especially interesting considering how much vitriol was used against the Occupy protesters. Although political labels do change

palindrome California
06/30/13 4:11 pm

things quite a bit, it's still interesting to see the break-down. May I ask why people hate the Occupy protests but would otherwise side with a generic anti-government/system protests?
Is this media and political manipulation?

palindrome California
06/30/13 4:13 pm

And why would you side with the Occupy protests but not with some other generic anti-govt/system protest?

Mattiga14 Massachusetts
06/30/13 4:27 pm

I would say republicans don't like occupy because they are more "pro wealth" than democrats.

fredd TrumpLand
06/30/13 5:15 pm

I sided with the up-risers as I thought the government was using violence. In reality if there are widespread uprisings that require a forcible response the government has already lost.