Show of Hands

There are numerous places in Russia, China, Cuba, Africa, and the Middle east that strike me as stunningly beautiful, and desirable places of residence, aesthetically speaking. But the lack of freedom and ideological differences keep me from moving.

I could (but wouldn't) also claim that because your claim to your land was sanctioned by the group of people calling themselves government, who have no real claim to their land, that you also have no real claim to your land.

It's just a number meant to illustrate a point

Thank you

To be a patriot I have to be loyal to people who think they can control what I do just because we live on connected pieces of dirt?

Yes

The founders' actions benefitted even the loyalists. They harbored no ill will towards people who were complacent under British rule before the secession.

There are many who are complacent now. I don't despise them, I realize they honestly don't know better.

Yes

No

Skinner hope you stay as part of the majority so that the wolves don't decide you look tasty.
When the majority turns from good policy to oppression it is the duty of the minority to do everything to right the ship of state including leaving.

Secession is the best way to achieve dictatorship.

Evidence please?
Historically the dictators of the 20th century arise from the democratic process. Hitler an elected representative, Stalin never lost an election, the Kim family all elected Castro, Mao, Pot, baby doc, all duly elected by wolves

Societies are usually intelligent enough to not secede but here are some examples, the Iroquois Confederacy and Tecumseh Confederacy divided and then collapsed into reservations. South Africa seceded from Britain and began apartheid. Paris seceded

From France and became a communist state, Vietnam seceded from France and became communist, the South seceded from America and became under martial law, the Roman Empire divided in two and collapsed, I guess they were still the same gov though, etc

The colones succeeded from England if you want to dig that far back guess that was a bad idea too. The eastern block countries succeeded from the USSR so that was bad too. Hope you dont know any Ukrainians they like their freedom.

Honestly skinner, you're just making crap up out of bumper stickers. There's nothing wrong with a group forming their own nation with a similar model of government. Your whole dictator theory is just nonsense.

Not really there is a reason the founding fathers didn't give states the choice of going to war, it would leave the states divided and an easy conquest for surrounding empires. That's exactly what a secession would do.

In a free country secession is always wrong.

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles." Evil word indeed should arrest the guy.

The: when did I say I disagree with that? That's exactly what democracy enables us to do.

I believe abolishing would indicate a right to rebel against a tyrannical government but check out Adams quote on chains as that is what I say to you

Exactly

Secession is the antithesis of freedom

The South was subjected to martial law BY THE NORTH! Hence why the Constitution of Tennessee bans martial law within its borders.

Well look at Massachusetts, we haven't had martial law in a couple months now.

I think it's more about lines drawn on a map by politicians and the loyalty to them and their gang,

You're being overly cynical rebel.

Rebel doesn't like the founding ideals

Secession, rebellion, revolution, keeping arms n the hands of the people, how many of things do you think we see eye to eye on?

The founding fathers (except maybe Jefferson) did not advocate secession , they believed that because we were then represented it was clear that we must talk out problems because the people hold the power. See Whiskey Uprising and Shays rebellion.

Once power is obtained its not easily or readily given up. They simply became the former king and its been passed down.

Secession is a very quick way to create a dictatorship, voting is a much more efficent system

Voting then got us all the corruption and misery we're enduring today.

Did you vote for it? I didn't. What's the solution? "Vote in" more fresh faces for the same games? No thanks, you folks have had your little experiment, game's over.

Its had mixed results, being good sometimes, bad others. So what's your brave alternative to democracy?

Tearing down this federal system and having fifty or less smaller states with similar models of government.

But then you would still have to vote

I don't agree with disbanding the Federal government entirely. California, New York, even Texas, would all be much weaker and extremely vulnerable to foreign aggression as completely independent entities. We have strength because of our unity.

The solution to Federal overreach is not the dissolution of that unity.

Rather, the solution is to assert our right as individual persons, and individual states, to demand that the Federal government act within the limits placed upon it by the chains of the Constitution.

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