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ikeurban21 August 13th, 2016 9:40pm

"We know that the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was an attack- not a protest"- Hillary on the day of the Benghazi attack

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ovcourse 8646 FJB
08/13/16 6:13 pm

She lied, but I think Obama likely had to approve any story/spin before any announcements by Hillary or Rice.

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ikeurban21 B L C
08/13/16 3:59 pm

The video has already been debunked

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 4:04 pm

Wait, I'm sorry. So there weren't riots at US embassies around the world because of the video?

ikeurban21 B L C
08/13/16 4:16 pm

It was a terror attacking planned several days, maybe even weeks in advanced with multiple warnings from the embassy and and Libyan government. Even major news outlets recognize that

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 4:19 pm

Yes, it was a terrorist attack. So, how do we know this? We had riots at various embassies in 9-11 and the days after. I guess everyone should have just ignored that and only focused on the annex in post-civil war Libya.

So, how did they know it was a terrorist attack?

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 4:20 pm

BTW, there were warnings at ALL diplomatic outposts, embassies, and facilities. All of them.

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 4:23 pm

I'll answer my own question.

Because they launched an investigation to find out what happened, all the while other sht was going down at other embassies.

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 4:25 pm

I remember reading comments in SoH that people claimed that Obama watched the whole thing, live, on video.

You guys have been manipulated in making up an alternative story and ignore the historical record and context.

ikeurban21 B L C
08/13/16 4:32 pm

It wasn't a bunch of random angry Muslims with Molotovs and blades. It was a planned attack with special equipment by a terror group. Security concerns about terror attacks in Benghazi were recorded well before the video's conception

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 4:32 pm

What did they do? What did they do?!

"The attack in Benghazi came the month after a congressional report warned about al Qaeda’s growing presence in Libya."

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 4:34 pm

Yes, they were. What did congress do besides cut the State Dept budget each and every year? They cut embassy security funding. They had intelligence reports that said they needed to do something and did NOTHING. Zero.

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 4:35 pm

Who's decision was it to go to Benghazi in the first place?

Answer: Ambassador Stevens

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 4:36 pm

You can read that in any of the 9+ reports

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 4:40 pm

I think it's hilarious that no one could be wrong about what happened in the early hours following the attack or even acknowledge they weren't totally sure, but now that the facts are available, you choose to believe in some alternate narrative that doesn't mesh with history.

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 4:41 pm

"Hillary Clinton lied!", says the people that continue to lie about what really happened.

ikeurban21 B L C
08/13/16 4:49 pm

You'll notice other embassies weren't attacked because it wasn't the rioters in charge. It was Ansar al Shariah and it was well planned and organized with military weaponry. They were planning the attack for weeks and the video was only dubbed in Arabic in early September. Hillary's choice to lie and blame the video just adds to people's mistrust of her. Also it was planned for 9/11

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 5:11 pm

You didn't read the article I posted. Yes, other embassies were attacked and other attacks were thwarted.

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 5:14 pm

"the video was only dubbed in Arabic in early September"

Not true.

ikeurban21 B L C
08/13/16 5:15 pm

Yes true. Created in July, dubbed in September

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 5:16 pm

I'm sorry, so again...embassies were not attacked because of the video?

Because we had embassies attacked on 9-11 and days later. You cannot change history to fit a new narrative.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 5:17 pm

What?

Did you even watch Hillary's statement?!

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 5:17 pm

It's HER!

In her OWN words!

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 5:18 pm

Video must be a fake Hillary I guess...

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 5:18 pm

My apologies, you're correct. The video was available in July, dubbed Sept 4th. Public opposition to the video occurred prior to sept. I stand corrected.

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 5:19 pm

"Did you even watch Hillary's statement?!"

Yes. Embassies WERE attacked because of the video. The annex was not because of the video. Nonetheless, our embassies were attacked.

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 5:24 pm

I know everyone should have known exactly what happened 3 days after while the investigation was under way, just like you all know what happened 4 years later after numerous investigations and hearings.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 5:53 pm

I'm taking her at her word.

Not someone attempting to explain what she said.

She said it.

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 5:58 pm

Ok, but is she wrong? There were riots underway (at that moment) when she said it, because of the video.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 8:32 pm

But she listed Benghazi RJ.

God dammit.

Stop.

She said it. Why the hell are you attempting to try to excuse her? Why?

Makes no sense.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 8:34 pm

It seems as though you're toeing the party line on this and if that's the case, my opinion of you is about to change...

Dramatically.

I'm serious.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 8:35 pm

Next you're going to attempt to say she didn't lie about her emails and there's video of her lying.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 8:36 pm

So I guess video of a person saying something is not enough to prove someone said something?!

Jesus Christ!

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 8:38 pm

No, stop with the he slippery slope.

And stop with the new history. The narrative. In 2012 it was all about Obama and Benghazi. Now, it's Hillary and Benghazi. There's a central (irrelevant) theme going on that some people seem to embrace. I'm just pointing out that they are misinformed and irrational.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 8:39 pm

And you don't think that's crazy?

To take that position?

They say something, people have video of it, you show that video and the watcher says "they didn't say that"...?

That's weapons grade insanity.

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 8:40 pm

Obama and Clinton are not under oath 24/7. They can say things, right or wrong. You've got the benefit of years and years of investigations to get you 'gotcha' moment. You're literally criticizing people for not knowing the same answers 4 days after it happened.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 8:40 pm

Care to go back to my polls?

I said Hillary then.

I say it now.

My position did not change.

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 8:41 pm

There were riots at our embassies on 9-11 and days after. Period. That's a fact. You cannot dismiss that.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 8:42 pm

Because it was 9/11...

I'm not dismissing anything.

Still did not have shit to do with some stupid video.

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 8:43 pm

And what amazes me is how these 4 people amount to way more than the 4,000 that died in Iraq over a BS narrative. And yet, no outrage.

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 8:43 pm

Like I said, the attack at Benghazi wasn't video related. All do the others going on at the same time were.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 9:05 pm

She said Benghazi was.

That's what this is about.

The video had nothing to do with it.

She said it did.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 9:06 pm

You're saying she was "mistaken".

She's now saying she never said it.

Video does not lie.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 9:08 pm

Why you aren't saying it is beyond me.

I have video, that proves she said it then and video she's lying now.

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 9:08 pm

Period.

Exclamation mark.

Hyphen.

She can say whatever 4 days into a major international investigation into a para-militarized assault on our personnel.

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 9:09 pm

You have the luxury of judging AFTER the investigation were conducted.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 9:10 pm

And she has some nerve calling the families of the fallen liars...

Evil.

Through and through.

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 9:11 pm

This whole Benghazi thing has no logic behind it. None. Let's all get pissy over....whatever! Benghazi!

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 9:11 pm

What are the sentiments of the former Ambassador's family that was killed?

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 9:11 pm

She's saying she never said it...

NOW RJ.

This isn't after the fact anything.

3 days ago, she said she ALWAYS knew it was a coordinated attack.

She lied then.
She's lying now.

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 9:12 pm

Read their statements. Not the manipulated talking points of some distraught woman.

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 9:13 pm

Ok, I'll review her more current statements, because I'm not current with them.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 9:15 pm

That's what this whole poll was about.

Her recent statements!

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 9:16 pm

The mother has an IQ of 50. No, seriously. She's being worked, letting her son get dragged through the mud for politics. Horrible. Please...read the sentiments of ambassador Stevens' family.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 9:17 pm

I said this back then, I'll say it now.

This was never on Obama, it's always been on the State Department.

Who's been fired?
Who's been held accountable?

Nobody.

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 9:17 pm

The fact these people are being used for politics...again (2 presidential elections in a row) is pathetic.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 9:18 pm

Because there sentiments mean more because they align better with your political opinion.

Fuck politics.

This is about the outright failure of a game verb menu agency that got my brethren killed.

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 9:19 pm

"This was never on Obama, it's always been on the State Department.

Who's been fired?
Who's been held accountable?"

For what?! For not using superpowers and stopping Stevens from doing what they said not to do?! He made the call to go, against all advisement!

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 9:19 pm

Stevens made the call to go.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 9:21 pm

They requested extraction during the pause.

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 9:21 pm

Of course they did. It's kind of hard to accommodate when congress keeps cutting you budget.

Look at the thread above. It's been covered.

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 9:21 pm

They requested extraction?

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 9:22 pm

Congress got a warning on Libya security and ignored it. Congress had cut state dept budget in successive years.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 9:22 pm

Yes.
The private operators and civilian personnel.

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 9:23 pm

Republicans care, so much, about....

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 9:25 pm

Excuse, excuse, excuse...

So that's what I can expect?

8 more years of "it's the republicans fault"...

If only the benevolent Democrats could just have whatever they request when requested...

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 9:27 pm

Hillary lied then.
She's lying now.

Video proves it.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 9:28 pm

I'm not going into anything else except what she said then (lie) and what she's saying now (lie).

Much like her emails (more lies).

She's a habitual liar.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 9:30 pm

If this were a Republican, I'd be all over it exactly the same way.

This is not political to me.

Sad that it is for you.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 9:32 pm

I don't give two shits what Republicans care about, they equally fumble responsibility.

Look at Iraq.

Dems AND Republicans are on the hook voting for it.

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 9:33 pm

She's a liar? 😆

Of course she is! No duh. They all are! Some are just better than others.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 9:35 pm

So when I bash Republicans, you're all on board for that.

I beat up on Dems, you feed me the same shit *insert random left winger user name here* gives me...?

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 9:35 pm

You can't be RJ.

Did veritas hack your account?!

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 9:39 pm

She awful at it.

She forgets cameras videoed her saying things and today is like, I didn't say that.

Reporter: Roll the video.

Her: wasn't me

Reporter: but it's you... Talking.

Her: yeah, but those aren't words coming out. I was humming.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 9:40 pm

Her: yeah but what I meant wasn't what I sad...

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 9:45 pm

Alright, alright. Let's just kill this thread here. I feel sorry for ik.... Who set up the poll and is on this thread. We've b
Own it up. Bad.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 9:47 pm

As a matter of fact, the president would've gotten his talking points from the State Department information filtered through multiple government entities.

If anything, her guilt gets Obama off the hook.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 9:50 pm

Well this topic pisses me off because it's been made into a political mockery while 4 people lay dead at the hands, of yet another, government choke job on security of American personnel on foreign soil.

TiltonAllStarz Outside Ur Comfort Zone
08/13/16 9:52 pm

We're both sorry Ike.

We go hard when we go.

RJ1969 SoCal
08/13/16 9:55 pm

Hive give Tilt. You are, after all, the best.

cowboy Dawns Highway
08/13/16 2:59 pm

Of course she and Barry knew it was an Islamic terrorist attack on the fricken anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attack... Yeah right.... A Christian caused thousands of Islamists to coordinate a multiple attack on our embassies in 9/11. They must really think we're idiots.

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