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johnnyfreedom August 12th, 2016 6:35am

Abortion is basically a conflict between the right to property and the right to life. Which one is more important?

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sydwel
08/12/16 4:31 am

I think it's a little more complicated than that, even if we throw out extreme cases, like when a fetus is putting the mother's life at risk. We have to consider the point at which personhood begins and rights are protected, as some people don't think the right to life begins at conception. I also don't think we can use abortion positions to determine the objective value of these rights in all situations. For example, not every pro-choice person (a pro-property position in your question), would support being able to kill someone to get a stolen wallet back (also pro-property). So clearly at least some people don't think bodily autonomy and other types of property are equally important.

lolilover
08/12/16 1:19 am

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johnnyfreedom The Midwest
08/12/16 1:45 am

Um not totally but I see your point. Problem is there is no physical form of privacy. You do not own privacy, you possess it. There is nothing abstract about the issue of abortion. Women themselves say it's " My body " which is an argument of ownership or property not privacy.

lolilover
08/12/16 2:51 am

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johnnyfreedom The Midwest
08/12/16 4:29 pm

That example did not make any sense?

lolilover
08/12/16 5:35 pm

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johnnyfreedom The Midwest
08/12/16 5:44 pm

People are told what to do with their bodies all the time. Mandatory vaccination, drug usage laws, etc. Privacy is definitely apart of it but it still boils down to property Vs Life.

lolilover
08/12/16 5:52 pm

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lolilover
08/12/16 5:52 pm

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johnnyfreedom The Midwest
08/12/16 5:57 pm

In the military it is. Also drug usage as in currently illegal drugs.

What your saying, quite honestly, isn't either making sense to me or it just doesn't make sense.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but your saying the government can tell me to put stuff into my body but nobody can inquire upon what it is?. Even if I'm just in the general vicinity of what your saying, we are completely off topic. Also I'm assuming you support legalizing assisted termination?.

lolilover
08/12/16 6:09 pm

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johnnyfreedom The Midwest
08/12/16 6:13 pm

This is off topic but no, heroine and other drugs are strictly outlawed in all states.

johnnyfreedom The Midwest
08/12/16 6:15 pm

Well I must say, I enjoyed this debate. It was lively and, best of all, you were open minded enough not to go Waco on me like most people ( both right and left ). I sincerely hope to debate you again

lolilover
08/12/16 6:37 pm

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08/12/16 6:41 pm

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xxxceo Nationalist
08/12/16 12:06 am

I'm a bit confused by it too. Granted it's 3am and I'm drunk, but is the baby the property here?

johnnyfreedom The Midwest
08/12/16 2:29 am

For the women, it's the right to control your body

For the baby its the right to live.

Property ( The female owns her body ) Vs life ( the unborn child life )

xxxceo Nationalist
08/12/16 2:40 am

Even though I'm a conservative, I'm a rebel - pro choice.