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Show Of Hands August 11th, 2016 2:55pm

"No family and no student should have to borrow to pay tuition at a public college or university."

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bnnt Los Angeles
08/16/16 12:17 pm

Yes!! Because as a society we can never have enough degrees in gender studies, philosophy, and underwater basket weaving -- as long as they vote democrat!!!

b3tsy Missouri
08/15/16 6:02 pm

The federal government has no business getting involved in state run universities. If the federal government wants to open national universities and have them be free that's a different question (not a great idea but that too is a different question).

JulieB Texas Lake House
08/15/16 2:44 pm

So I shouldn't have to borrow to pay for my child to go to college, but our country will borrow from China to pay for all of the entitlements and free things people think they deserve. What kind of lunacy is that?

drself Gated Community
08/14/16 3:55 pm

And no one should have to pay for cell phones, cable, insurance and all the other stuff the government wants to give away.
Once the working class realizes the government is giving their money to other people, we would never have another democrat in government again.

08/14/16 3:35 pm

Shouldn't be free but definitely shouldn't be this expensive.

wmorriso Indiana, US ofA
08/13/16 8:43 am

Public means paid and supported by public funds, like in public school systems in each town and city of the USA. And the local communities should support each public school in their local.

Carcano Matthew 10 34
08/13/16 10:22 am

You pay to use the USPS and AMTRAK

08/13/16 12:12 pm

USPS is received ZERO tax dollars for operations, as its funded through service revenues.
Amtrak does receive public funding for a portion of operations (track maintenance, use fees if owned by another party, etc), but it also is a corporation with stock sold on the private market.

Both are also service based organizations, where it requires a fee per use or it wouldn't be possible to maintain services (each individual could send a thousand packages a day of a fee wasn't in place)

Public Universities are government funded, and provide a societal benefit by improving our workforce and competitiveness in the world market.


pietsch Another Adoring Fan
08/13/16 6:56 am

I agree. Not because it should be "free" but because it's unnecessarily expensive.

08/13/16 4:51 am

To everyone arguing against free tuition: this poll never said anything about making education free. Just about making affordable enough so students don't have to go In Debt to get an education.

Grimmy13 Palehorse
08/12/16 5:29 pm

If it is free, what value does it have? College is not for everyone. Some trades are so short of workers that they pay much more than useless liberal art degrees. Before I get the "Europe pays for everyone to go to College", they sort their students in High School.

ewokbaggypants Be kind.
08/13/16 9:07 am

College curriculums evolve to meet the needs of the changing environment and gives students better writing and analytical skills.

Also it's ridiculous to assume a liberal arts degree doesn't have real value.

08/13/16 12:20 pm

Making college affordable does not mean removing all entrance standards or requirements to attend. It just means that it will be financially viable for those who college would be an appropriate choice.

Europe understood this a while ago, as well as understood many other things that we haven't comes to terms with....aka cost of healthcare

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
08/12/16 4:01 pm

There are intelligent ways to do it. But we shouldn't root the bill for everyone

sproded Minneapolis
08/12/16 3:09 pm

Unless you're a genius, which a college would give you a full ride if you actually are, you don't deserve to be paid to go to college.

08/12/16 2:17 pm

Friggen democrats. Seriously. You want it all free. Your like that friend who never pays their share of the dinner check. Noooobody likes you. Go away...

Abzzer Michigan
08/12/16 12:31 pm

A perfect thing used in cartoons and movies. Not everyone is meant to go to college. A high end university like Michigan would definitely not alow this to happen because their is still a test

08/12/16 1:33 pm

Oh good grief. Allow*. There*.

Think Lovin Life
08/12/16 9:41 pm

Let's hope @Abzzer learns to read and write so they too may have a chance to get into a school like Michigan.

elianastar FreeSpeech
08/12/16 10:37 am

No one should be forced to live in the real world if they don't want to. They should be encouraged - even paid - to live in the wonderful fantasy of Utopian illusion of a 10 year old their entire lives without consequence.


08/12/16 11:22 am

I belive that's called Democrats and the SJW snowflakes they support so vociferously.

Shiggybythebay Proud Bay Area Native
08/12/16 8:03 am

If a family can't afford college maybe it's a good idea to help educate them. Good for the economy.

NoNameToBeHad nope
08/12/16 8:49 am

Charity, Financial aid, loans.

Shiggybythebay Proud Bay Area Native
08/12/16 8:56 am

Yeah, but I understood the question to be should a family have to go into debt. There are a lot of families out there that live paycheck to paycheck. And if a charity was available great. It shouldn't take 20 years to pay off your education though. There should at least be no interest. If you have to go into debt.

08/12/16 4:01 pm

I worked my way thru college -has that been outlawed or is that not even accepted anymore?
The choice is not debt or government subsidies. It is not a zero sum game.

Think Lovin Life
08/12/16 9:47 pm

Shiggy ... if the kid studies some nonsense like gender studies and only qualifies to work at McDonalds then they should expect to pay for 20 years.

You're suggesting that idiots should be able to go to any school and study whatever they want without consequences. That is simply not fair to them as it teaches them that they don't have to be accountable for their moronic decisions. Life just isn't that way!

Shiggybythebay Proud Bay Area Native
08/12/16 10:07 pm

Okay I don't think nonsense should be studied. And I don't have a hard stance on this issue. I do feel that everyone deserves a chance to have a good education. Not for clown college or anything. And I don't think most idiots have a desire to be more educated. Most idiots think they already know everything...

Think Lovin Life
08/12/16 10:11 pm

Shiggy ... I don't disagree that those who want it, should have a path to get it. I, for one, had nothing. I worked and went to school. I left school with a modest amount of debt, and given my good grades and engineering degree, I was able to get a great job and pay it off. I then spent a lifetime earning a good wage and committed to position my four kids FAR better off than I had it. They all did well.

Net ... if you're willing to work for it, making compromises along the way, the system is already set up where you can succeed!

Shiggybythebay Proud Bay Area Native
08/12/16 10:19 pm

Well I appreciate that we can have a discussion that stays on topic. And I do feel that even if you get help you should also be helping yourself whether it be having a job or working for the school or whatever. If a person doesn't have to work hard to get it they likely won't appreciate it. Just worry about the kids with no support from family and the ones that are the first in their families to go to college.

Think Lovin Life
08/12/16 11:11 pm

Shiggy ... those of us who had no support from family still made it! Yes, it was harder, but I value that experience as it made me stronger, and more committed to changing things for my kids.

I'm proud that my kids can now stand on my shoulders and reach even higher.

Shiggybythebay Proud Bay Area Native
08/13/16 12:08 am

You sound like a string person and I'm happy that your kids have things easier than you did. That's what it's all about to me.

ewokbaggypants Be kind.
08/12/16 6:12 am

We are only as strong as our weakest link. All Americans should have access to low cost higher education.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
08/12/16 6:48 am

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ewokbaggypants Be kind.
08/14/16 9:15 am

It's not free. We all pay taxes.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
08/14/16 10:39 am

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madconservative President Trump
08/12/16 12:57 am

How about these kids earn something for once. I don't owe them anything.

613dimples New York
08/12/16 12:17 am

I find it ironic that with all the government regulations placed by the Democrats, there are no regulations to cap the runaway costs of college tuitions

08/12/16 3:19 am

The gov't interference is contributing to the runaway costs.

NoNameToBeHad nope
08/12/16 8:47 am

I find it ironic that people support programs that do the exact opposite of what they claim to be doing

08/11/16 11:03 pm

They should work for it. Or enlist.

scrpnHOG Arizona
08/11/16 10:44 pm

Can we fix K-12 public schools and budget before we even talk about college.

madconservative President Trump
08/12/16 12:55 am

Hell yeah, good point.

08/11/16 9:50 pm

No parent or student currently has to borrow. Try saving your money for college and go to one you can afford so that you are debt free coming out. My 3 siblings and I all did it. My daughter is doing it. Debt is evil. It is used by these liberal institutions to enslave generations.

Annabelle41 Michigan
08/11/16 9:48 pm

Why should I pay for their education? I'm sure that when they receive that degree that they're not going to start giving me money from their paycheck every month to pay me back for the taxes I had to pay for them getting a free education. Just stupid to have to pay for something that they should earn themselves.

08/11/16 11:50 pm

Who said that you'd have to pay for it?

m96 Central Florida
08/12/16 6:18 am

"they're not going to start giving me money from their paycheck every month to pay me back for the taxes I had to pay for them getting a free education." considering you solely will not be paying for someone's education via taxes, & that if the person is receiving a paycheck they'd also be paying taxes, I'm not sure exactly what your point was.

Annabelle41 Michigan
08/12/16 6:34 am

they should pay for their education solely not rely on any tax involvement. No one paid for mine, no one pay for my kids, I'm not willing to pay for anyone else's either.

SHIPPY1944 Tn.
08/11/16 8:26 pm

Another case of forced Socialism, spending other people's tax money till it runs out. K thru 12 school is where the line should be drawn, then pay your own way !

08/12/16 3:20 am

Why? Because you are responsible for your own life, not me and certainly not the gov't.

beauthedog Washington
08/11/16 7:19 pm

I would agree with conditions:
I cost is out of control. When I went to school, 1977, a student could work a summer job and earn enough for half of the tuition and room and board in the dorms. Many of us had deals with our parents. We pay half, they pay half. Many came out of college debt free.
How did college get to be so expensive?
Let's get rid of tenure to begin with.
Then let's make professors teach again.
That would help to drive costs down

snozwaffer Dove Canyon, CA
08/12/16 12:17 am

It got expensive because government got involved by providing cheap loans.

08/11/16 6:59 pm

No, they shouldn't. They should have saved and planned better or choose a more affordable option.

08/11/16 6:24 pm

I think it's just a matter of time till we decide colleges should be paid for like public schools

TreeHugs Oregon
08/11/16 5:21 pm

If we asked the same question, but substitute "to acquire a high school diploma" we would all agree. Today many jobs require advanced skills beyond high school and it is in everyone's best interest to educate folks to the highest level they are capable (B average or better), but only in programs that are in demand.

Nobody wants government to pay for someone to get a communications degree with a 2.5 GPA! I'll gladly support putting a capable and motivated poor person through an engineering or computer program though!

sea California
08/11/16 8:41 pm

But the thing is, if the degree is worthwhile, no government subsidy is necessary. It's ok to take out loans for an engineering degree because those jobs pay well.

brinrawson Knoxville and DC
08/12/16 5:07 am

You're also assuming anybody can get student loans. Private student loans are just like any other loan. You have to have good credit or co-sign with a parent who has good credit.

Either way, do you really want college students starting out in life with a pile of debt?

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
08/12/16 6:51 am

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brinrawson Knoxville and DC
08/12/16 11:27 am

You can't get a good job with just a high school degree anymore. I think that's reason enough to do something about affordability of college. Not saying anything about how to fix that, but you have to at least recognize it's a problem.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
08/12/16 11:29 am

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TreeHugs Oregon
08/12/16 2:19 pm

Not everyone is capable of doing manual labor type jobs like construction, which is one of the few trades that pay a living wage with a HS diploma anymore now that manufacturing is gone. Many of us are smart enough and would thrive in a highly skilled job but end up wasting these talents in service jobs because college is out of reach or that loan seems too risky.

brinrawson Knoxville and DC
08/15/16 9:41 am

Obviously some people do well with only a high school diploma, but you know you are an exception. You also know that you could not just go out and get any job you want.

Just assuming here, but I would guess that you would need some sort of training for construction. I never said you needed college, just more than a high school degree. Also, since you're management, I'm assuming you aren't straight out of high school.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
08/15/16 9:57 am

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08/11/16 4:43 pm

I do NOT believe a college education should be free. But if we go this way let's demand that our "investment" is in a degree that will create value to the GDP. In the fifties so few had an college degree that a liberal arts degree could get you into a good white collar job. Those days are gone

IrishAlzheimers oakland, ca
08/11/16 4:41 pm

We could charge insanely high prices for foreign out of country students that could come over here and pay for our Americans students colleges.

Ag2013 Texas
08/11/16 4:35 pm

Tuition costs are certainly bloated and could be a lot more fair. But making a college degree free would literally and figuratively strip most of the value from it. And it would crumble the quality of education.

A high school diploma is free and look at how the quality of our high schools has disintegrated. The next step would be that those who couldn't keep up would whine because the classes weren't easy enough and we'd get legislation like "no child left behind" for college and start the same cycle of teaching to the lowest factor.

phalnx Ohio
08/11/16 3:57 pm

Education is the most important thing a country can do for itself. Education means better, more productive and skilled citizens creating and filling jobs and earning tax money for the government.

sea California
08/11/16 8:43 pm

Depends what type of education. I'm not so sure art majors are worth the $160,000 of classes.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
08/11/16 3:47 pm

Seems about right. It should certainly be possible to get an online degree from any public college or university without cost.

08/11/16 3:15 pm

3 ways to pay for college, (1) work, save & pay as you go, (2) borrow & pay back when you have a job or (3) get someone else to pay your bill....I don't want to pay your college bill.

BossHogg Kentucky
08/11/16 3:13 pm

From each, according to his ability, to each, according to his need. (Communist manifesto). Now make your decision.....

IAConservative Iowa
08/11/16 2:29 pm

I agree in the sense that any student can get most or all of their tuition paid for in scholarships if they try, however if the student is lazy and does not get enough scholarships they should have to pay for it themselves

08/11/16 1:10 pm

I want a free house, free cars, free food, free clothes. C'mon U.S. Government...hook me up. I mean, I just want to be lazy and suck of the government and the rich. We should all be equal, right?

SupremeDolphin They.them
08/11/16 2:15 pm

Government-provided is not the only alternative.

Loxx I Love Foxes
08/11/16 12:47 pm

Why not just make high school what college is now and have 18 year olds graduate with a 4 year degree and immediately enter the work force?

IrishAlzheimers oakland, ca
08/11/16 12:38 pm

Why not reimburse the students who graduate. I'd rather incentivize people to do better than make it easier for everyone to be average.
Not everyone needs college or should go to college. Being a great artist is just as good as being an intellectual. The problem is that society doesn't reward the artist financially and all our productive jobs that required bronze instead of brains were outsourced. The government wants you to be as dependent on them as water and free college is a step toward that

ProbablyEug Oakland
08/11/16 12:08 pm

I agree for the most part, but I've also heard that having someone pay for something makes it more worthwhile in their mind. Will someone show the economic forecast for this? Is it just nice to go to college, or does it make a real difference? How are politics affected if everyone is educated all of a sudden? Where does the money come from? What happens to those who don't want college? How to promote the trades? My god we need a town hall on this.

MrWubbles Texas
08/11/16 12:06 pm

They shouldn't have to, but that doesn't mean it won't happen or that the government should get involved

CTYankee!!! Connecticut
08/11/16 11:36 am

If we can get the professors to agree to teach for free, it shouldn't be a problem.

ProbablyEug Oakland
08/11/16 12:10 pm

Except for would you do your job for free? I might if I got room and board for myself and my family, 3 square meals and a discretionary budget, but then that would probably cost more than what I make anyway.

IrishAlzheimers oakland, ca
08/11/16 12:21 pm

Our taxes already pay for the professors salaries. The worst part is that colleges like UC Berkeley for example are accepting way more out of state/country students for the higher tuition because the schools are already under funded.

The annual 70 billion dollars the federal government gives out for grants could go towards paying for everyone's college. That way the super poor don't get a free ride with grants while the middle class like always get stuck paying the burden

08/11/16 11:31 am

The keyword is public. Your tax dollars are already paying for it. The tuition isn't where your money is going. It goes to pay High price Football/Basketball coaches etc.

chinito Florida
08/11/16 11:26 am

We should control the prices but not give it for free.

1. You are an adult, learn to take care of yourself.
2. If you maintain a good GPA you can get help from the government.
3. I don't want to pay for a bunch of kids to waste 4 years parting while attending free college.

ProbablyEug Oakland
08/11/16 12:12 pm

Oh I like the money for GPA thing. That's smart. And set classes up so people don't just take the easy ones to prop up their GPA.

FIAT2LUX On Planet Earth
08/11/16 11:26 am

Completely agree.

ndull Minnesota
08/11/16 11:24 am

I shouldn't have to borrow to buy a house, or a car.

Liberty 4,032,064
08/12/16 8:02 pm

You don't! Just wait until you can afford it or don't buy it at all.

Liberty 4,032,064
08/11/16 11:14 am

Agree. They should be free to pay upfront and not buy it at all.

tidford My little piece of heaven
08/11/16 10:55 am

Education isn't free. Somebody has to pay for it. However, like anything else, if you make it SEEM free it will be used extraordinarily irresponsibly.
(Imagine the size of wasteful gas guzzling vehicles we would have if gasoline were made free - same principle.)
"Educators" love this concept because it hands them a blank checkbook with very few expectations. ("Who cares if the education is crap - I had a great time and it was free.")
And how about the expectations for a quality job? Many jobs require absolutely no a college education. If far more people get college educations than there are jobs for college grads, there are going to be many very bitter people whose expectations have not been met.

weallhave1 Tennessee
08/11/16 10:39 am

It's called "get a job." You can always work part-time or be a part-time student and still get enough sleep and money to live on.

getupbaby South City
08/11/16 10:49 am

You used to be able to do that. Not anymore. Do you know how much a university costs?

bobbyjindal3 Michigan
08/11/16 11:14 am

What year did you go to college idiot? 1980? When college was affordable right?

weallhave1 Tennessee
08/11/16 12:08 pm

In TN, the first 2 years of community college are tuition free. If you can't live at home with mom and dad, you may need to work a full-time job and go to school part-time. It said a state school, not private.

08/11/16 12:10 pm benefitted from two years of free education, and think that that is a bad thing?

weallhave1 Tennessee
08/11/16 12:20 pm

Not me personally. I'm telling you what it is right now and explaining why going to college does not require taking out student loans. And I didn't even mention scholarships.

08/11/16 12:52 pm

Yes, but not every college does that. That's just one place. Plus, you're kinda advocating a few years of free public college with this argument.

08/11/16 12:54 pm

Don't go to a university if you can't afford it, or don't want to borrow money to pay for it.

With a mindset like yours, the one who called someone an idiot, you shouldn't be worrying about College.

weallhave1 Tennessee
08/11/16 4:19 pm

I'm not advocating anything but the reality that it's possible to go to college without borrowing money, which was the original question. Every community college in TN is tuition free for 2 years if you maintain a 2.5 GPA. It's from lottery money. I voted against and don't play the lottery. It is what it is.

If anyone really wants to know, I went to a private university in the mid-90s. Half of it was paid for by money left to me by my grandfather. The rest was scholarships, my parents, and working part-time.

weallhave1 Tennessee
08/11/16 4:22 pm

Tuition at MTSU this year is $8400, BTW. The largest college in TN.

08/11/16 4:30 pm

I am not debating whether or not it is possible to go to college without incurring debt. Notice that the question was merely whether or not that should be the case at public institutions.

weallhave1 Tennessee
08/11/16 7:34 pm

Why ask if what already is, should be? I don't know anyone that thinks college should be more expensive. The problem is that too many people believe it isn't currently possible and therefore campaign for more government subsidies.

prallen Property and order
08/11/16 10:30 am

Borrow from private banks, sure. Take government loans, no, you shouldn't have to