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Cole12 August 9th, 2016 11:00pm

Under Donald "King of Debt" Trump's budget plan, America's national debt would balloon by more than $10 trillion in the next decade. Most of the benefits of Trump's lavish spending would go to the top 1%. Is the Republican Party fiscally responsible?

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ladyniner81 Embrace your inner dork
08/10/16 12:01 pm

Cue in the "since Obama's been in office, the debt has ballooned to...."

Squidboy Snarkapottamus
08/09/16 10:11 pm

The Republican Party hasn't been fiscally responsible since Eisenhower.

Praetorianus Fair enough.
08/09/16 6:51 pm

I really balk at this kind of rambling criticism followed by a question that would have been unbiased and interesting without it.

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Casper Deep inthe Heart ofTexas
08/09/16 6:24 pm

Hillary continues the same path.
Bigger government
More taxes
More outsourcing
Stagnant Wages
Failing Schools
Conflict.

They will tear apart anything Trump proposes but it must be better than continuing on this path.

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spicysteve M14D SBS
08/09/16 5:38 pm

Mr. Trump will increase spending and cut taxes. So, no, DJT isn't. The rest of the GOP isn't much better either.

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skinner Wisconsin
08/09/16 5:19 pm

The Republican Party is fiscally responsible. Donald Trump is not.

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EarlyBird Portland
08/09/16 6:45 pm

Who are you voting for, skinner?

JackVTM Boston, MA
08/10/16 3:44 am

As my 3rd grade teacher used to say: "show, don't tell", skinner.

lolilover
08/09/16 5:10 pm

This user is currently being ignored

GlockMan1 Alabama
08/09/16 4:23 pm

I like how Obama and the Democrats passed and forced on all of us the largest tax burden of all time called OBAMACARE. Plus , this same group borrowed 785 BILLION DOLLARS from China and called it the STIMULUS. Guess what...we still owe it to China. And you have the audacity to call Trump the king of debt.

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Malekithe R lyeh
08/09/16 4:07 pm

Let's assume your numbers are correct. This would be a 50% reduction in what Obama has delivered and 66% less than Hilliary is proposing

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Cole12 ...
08/09/16 4:08 pm

You suck at math.

EarlyBird Portland
08/09/16 4:18 pm

I'd like to know who is right.

EarlyBird Portland
08/09/16 4:26 pm

I freely admit I suck at math so I'm counting on you guys to figure it out.

Cole12 ...
08/09/16 4:27 pm

I'm going to turn this into a teaching moment. If I just tell you the numbers, it probably won't sink in. Here we go!

1. What was the national debt when Bush left office?
2. What is the national debt today?
3. Do recessions typically increase the need for spending or decrease it?

In your response, answer each of these questions.

Cole12 ...
08/09/16 4:27 pm

(This is for malekithe.)

Malekithe R lyeh
08/09/16 4:30 pm

The one safe bet is that the debt will probably increase regardless of who wins.
Question is who will increase it more.

political Georgia
08/09/16 4:34 pm

That question is easy. Hillary

political Georgia
08/09/16 4:39 pm

It's quite clear when she wants to carry out the same policies as Obama who has added more to the national debt in the history of the United States.

Cole12 ...
08/09/16 4:42 pm

It's quite clear that you're not familiar with Trump's and Clinton's budget plans.

political Georgia
08/09/16 4:49 pm

I am, which is why I'm fully aware that Hillary's increased spending with higher taxes and more regulations will only produce stagnant wages and more debt. You might actually get a little bit of job growth under Trump. I don't expect much from him, but he doesn't have to do much to beat Hillary's policies.

Malekithe R lyeh
08/09/16 4:54 pm

1. $10T up from $5 from previous admin
2. $19+T

Cole12 ...
08/09/16 5:02 pm

19-10 = 9

10>9

So no, Trump's addition to the debt wouldn't be "a 50% reduction in what Obama has delivered." What you said is completely false. In addition, Obama had to deal with a horrible recession; Trump's budget plan doesn't factor that kind of event in.

political Georgia
08/09/16 5:04 pm

You obviously can't do math.

10-5=5

19-10=9

9>5

Cole12 ...
08/09/16 5:05 pm

That's not what we were talking about, political. Look at the first comment in this thread.

Cole12 ...
08/09/16 5:07 pm

We're talking about Trump vs. Obama, not Obama vs. Bush.

Also, in response to your other comment, please stop mentioning the qualitative aspects of the budget plans and get down to the numbers. Prove to me that Clinton's budget will add more to the debt than Trump's.

political Georgia
08/09/16 5:13 pm

Look at Male's comment for context of my comment.

But yes - please look at Hillary's budget. Free education and expansion of Obamacare on top of more regulations and taxes that will stunt revenue.

Cole12 ...
08/09/16 5:17 pm

Political, look at the context of the whole conservation. Trump will increase the debt by $10 trillion in a decade. Malekinthe said this would be a 50% improvement over what's happened under President Obama. In reality, though, the debt has increased by $9 trillion since Obama took office, much of which is the result of the government's actions during the recession. $10 trillion is more than $9 trillion. So, malekinthe was incorrect.

Cole12 ...
08/09/16 5:18 pm

Yet again you refuse to look at the actual numbers.

political Georgia
08/09/16 5:23 pm

If you are assuming that you don't get job growth from Trump but instead produce job growth with Hillary, you would have a point. Unfortunately, that's not a fair measurement.

Cole12 ...
08/09/16 5:25 pm

Wrong again. Google is your friend...

Malekithe R lyeh
08/09/16 5:25 pm

10T under Obama
5T (maybe) under Trump
16T under Clinton

Cole12 ...
08/09/16 5:27 pm

Wrong. Google is also your friend, malekinthe...

Making up numbers is silly.

bliggs Veni Vidi Vigor
08/09/16 10:08 pm

Lol. Cole, you have a great deal of patience.

Cole12 ...
08/10/16 4:06 am

Numbers, facts, and Google are really difficult some people, so I have to be patient and walk them through the process. If nobody takes the time to educate the uninformed, Trump very well could be our next president.

Malekithe R lyeh
08/10/16 5:37 am

Anti-Trump was your bias from the beginning. Google is great if you can filter out the partisan non-sense and talking points.

We can review Classical vs Keynesian theories of economics.

highered.mheducation.com/sites/dl/free/0072237409/30163/Chapter_11.ppt

cmplxntcmplctd.wordpress.com/2013/04/02/classical-economics-vs-keynesian-economics/

We can also review how important the debt really is or isn't.

Personally, I don't like either Trump's or Clintons plans too much, even though both plans have some positive points.

In the end both plans will change substantially and most elements will never get implemented.

Krystina Live and Let Live
08/10/16 8:15 am

I heard a financial analyst/economist type on the news just a few days ago saying he analyzed Hillary's plan and the results are not good...trillions more debt added on, plus more taxes for us and so. When asked about his analysis of Trump's plan, his answer was (paraphrasing), "I'd love to analyze it. I wish I could. But, he doesn't have enough information out there to conduct a legitimate analysis yet." Granted, this could have changed over the last couple of days. But, I can't help but wonder how SOH users know more than this dude who does this for a living.

Regardless, maybe the current argument should be more along the lines of "Hillary's plan sucks." countered with "Well, Trump doesn't even have a plan."? Just a thought.