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Teaching people how to not look like you're grabbing a gun is a great idea

I voted no. In North Korea students are taught how to think and behave around their leadership. It's a slippery slope.

I voted no, if they respect me, I will respect them, I do not need a class for that.

Except for that fact that they have a gun and if they think you're going to kill them, they'll shoot you.

This law could save lives.

Like the drug laws? I call BS - people are gonna do what they do.

But even if people don't change, you can't blame the police for being uneducated now.

Uneducated about what? Seriously, deal with the shit bags of life on a daily basis at the same time being a target......then talk about it.

If the motorist isn't an asshole there won't be escalation in the first place. But that was a nice try

Why? Because they are sooo special? Address them like kings? Queens? F**k that. If they are respectful to me I will be respectful to them.

"I want you to be nice until it's time to not be nice. All you have to do is follow three simple rules. One, never underestimate your opponent. Expect the unexpected. Two, take it outside. Never start anything inside the bar unless it's absolutely necessary. And three, be nice." Dalton

I think that's 4 rules. 😊

Then you'll be just fine, but if you don't realize that something you're doing is disrespectful and then they're disrespectful back, you won't realize it's your fault.

Yeah only like 99.99% are good cops u liar!!

I don't have a use for cops...they just get in my way, obnoxiously throwing their perceived authority around. I'm a better conflict resolver than they are, and do a better job of defending myself and my family than they ever could.

Well you're an idiot phal.

Why thank you, yew Gawgia Peach :).

Amen Phal

Well I'm sorry but cops protect people from people like you. Thinking you can solve everything. Also, they have authority, it's not perceived, they have more power then you.

No, actually they don't. They have rights, so do I. They have to act within their sphere of authority, being accountable to their precinct and chain of command, as well as to the general public. I can act as I please.

And nobody protects people from 'people like me,' whatever that means. I don't attack anyone. If anyone attacks me, I stand my ground and respond in kind. As I said, I have no use for cops. They're very small men without their authority.

What makes you think you can't solve everything, Darth? Why do you need cops to solve your problems for you? Someday when you grow up and become a man, you'll learn how to do these things.

I think it's a bit of a reach to say they're all small men without their authority. I don't think it's fair to make a huge generalization like that. It like me calling you an idiot after reading one comment. That wasn't fair of me to do lol

Well after multiple comments I think we can come to that conclusion. Buddy I didn't say I needed the cops help solving problems but a lot of people do. Haha and when I grow up and am a man... wow.

But phal, do you really think all Police are small men?

Yes, actually I do. I have yet to meet one that's not. Catch them out of uniform or out of their jurisdiction, it's amazing how small they become. When the chips are down, they bolt and run, or hide behind 'protocol,' as at the Columbine shooting

Or the Sandyhook massacre. If my kid was in either of those places, I would have gone in immediately. To me, the only good cop is one who stays the hell out of my line of sight!

This rant is the result of several annoying encounters with smug-ass cops. They've screwed with me, so now I screw with them every chance I get.

Wow...

That's crazy

With that attitude, sounds like you could really use it !😖

Isn't that a basic high school government class?

America, home of the free!

They're held accountable now.

What is going on now is not accountability.

Why not?

You don't think police are trained on how to conduct traffic stops?

You must live under a rock.

I have no doubt police are provided training. But they are not held accountable when they do not follow it. There is no accountability.

Name one instance where they weren't held accountable.

A cop was charged with murder for shooting a fleeing suspect in South Carolina.

A cop was recently sent to jail because he accidentally shot a suspect when he grabbed his gun instead of his taser.

m.nydailynews.com/news/national/white-s-cops-give-black-man-illegal-public-cavity-search-article-1.2585402

www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Eric-Garner-Chokehold-Police-Custody-Cause-of-Death-Staten-Island-Medical-Examiner-269396151.html

www.nytimes.com/books/98/02/08/home/rodney-verdict.html

Your examples would not have happened without cellphone videos. No police routinely threaten the public for recording them. Most police unions oppose the use of body cams.

They don't want accountability.

Now police*

None of the Baltimore police were held accountable in any way. They arrested someone that did nothing illegal. And then failed to secured him in the police vehicle. His back broke in the back of the police vehicle and then he died after several officers refused to provide care.

No one was held accountable in any way?

None of the Baltimore police officers broke any laws. What would you like them to be held accountable for?

All of those examples were legally justified. Try again.

Also, I'm pretty sure the cop in the Eric Garner case got fired. That's called accountability.

If you believe that conduct isn't unlawful I'm not sure what should be.

Were their actions just "accidents?"

Fired is accountability for murder?

How many of the Baltimore police officers were convicted?

How was it justified to perform an anal cavity search on the side of a road? Even after numerous search and seizure violations (including the anal cavity search), they found nothing! That is called assault. The police can't do anything they want.

No Baltimore officers were convicted. Like I said, there is no accountability.

You realize the judge that presided over the bench trial is black right?

And there is was no reason for the officers to beat the shit out of Rodney Kings.

Here's the video if you want to watch it again:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=sb1WywIpUtY

How can you prove institutional racism?

So what if the judge it black? The judge doesn't establish the standard applied in these cases and he does issue a verdict.

I have said nothing at any point above about institutional racism or racism at all.

Rodney King was actively resisting arrest, and those officers were punished.

Yes he did. It was a bench trial, not a trial by jury.

Can you tell me specifically what the Baltimore officers did wrong or are you just ignorant?

Not all Baltimore cop trials were bench trials:

www.nytimes.com/2015/12/17/us/freddie-gray-baltimore-police-trial.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share NYTimes: Mistrial Declared in Case of Officer Charged in Freddie Gray’s Death

And Mosby didn't retry the case...because she knew she couldn't win it.

Carcano, there is no point to arguing with you. Freddie Grey died because of the negligence and refusal to provide care by several officers. And what was the punishment? NOTHING. How is that possible?

No laws were broken.

Right, there is no accountability.

The judge presiding over the bench trial was black.

Plus, the cops broke no laws.

You aren't interested in debating you are interested in branding me as a BLM supporter. You brought up race when I made no mention of race. You think all of these arguments have to be about race.

You tell me what laws were broken.

I work in an industry that regularly interacts with chair car drivers. If a chair car driver neglected a patient the same way the officers neglected Grey they would absolutely be charged in the patient's death. Why should a chair car driver be held accountable, but not a police officer?

Why did a black judge exonerate the police officers?

Why don't you answer my question?

And why the fuck does the judge's race matter?!

Police officers should be held accountable if they break the law. The Baltimore officers involved in the Freddie Gray case broke no laws.

Why is the chair car driver responsible in my scenario, but not the Baltimore officers. I can't care (frankly) if a law was violated. The standards applied to police aren't correct. That is part of the problem.

There is no accountability.

Just because you keep saying that over and over again doesn't make it true.

I'm surprised you didn't infuse race into that response.

And you still haven't answered the question I asked you. Are you going to?

I already have.

Copy and paste it here. I must have missed it...

That's what I thought. You've got nothing.

I said everyone should be held accountable.

Okay. I'll keep this simple. Why should a chair car driver be charged with the death of a patient if they negligently failed to secure the patient and the patient died, but NONE of the Baltimore officers deserved any punishment at all?

So, they didn't buckle Freddie gray in and he died from the spinal injuries he sustained from not being buckled in, so how are the officers not wrong? If I'm driving down the road and I hit another car and kill them I can be charged with manslaughter, but why can't the officers be charged for their negligence? I understand a judge ruled on it already, but how can you sit here and say that the cops were not in the wrong at all for that?

Because people are innocent until proven guilty in America.

So you STILL won't answer my question?

There was simply not enough evidence for a conviction.

🙄

Sooooo his spinal injuries sustained from not being buckled in isn't enough evidence?

Ask the black judge presiding over the bench trial.

Although what I have raised above is the very extreme of the bad conduct engaged in by police and I believe it is a small percentage of officers who engage in this conduct, unethical conduct is widely accepted within the police community. I personally know officers who have expressed frustration when they are pulled over for speeding as a civilian and the officer issues them a ticket. They believe (and admit it vocally) that they believe they should be let off because they are cops. There are numerous examples of this with officers who are pulled over for DUI, but never charged. There is a culture in police departments that the officers are above the law and there is a culture for covering for your fellow officers. It IS unfair and it breed distrust of police.

Polster, you are really hung up on race. Are you suggesting that the black judge would have been more harsh on the officers because the victim was black?

I'm simply stating facts.

Did you happen to notice his eye color? That would be a good fact to include...

Black people have brown eyes.

I don't care if the judge was purple. It doesn't affect his rulings. And all black people have brown eyes😂 what is with you and race??

What laws were broken?

Please acknowledge what I said and then I'll acknowledge what you say. You can't just repeat yourself and ignore the other person and call that a conversation or debate.

You can answer my scenario. I'm not going to continue this because you have nothing.

What laws were broken?

The exact same laws that are broken when a chair car driver negligently fails to secure a patient and the patient dies. There is no difference.

😂 you've got to be trolling bc I don't think anyone could keep repeating themselves and think it's a legitimate argument.

Where are the convictions?

You're defending police shooting people because they resist arrest? Wow...

What a fucking idiot, coffee you better not be a cop, although with that shit attitude it wouldn't surprise me

"You're defending police shooting people because they resist arrest?"

No. How in the fuck did you come to that conclusion? Read better

"What a f*****g idiot"

Great argument. Can't wait for school to start up. Sounds like you didn't even understand my post before going on a child's rant

I (and probably everyone else) came to the same conclusion. You're sounding like an ass

All these ad hominems and no retort of my post. Hmmm

Pollster, rebel, you got anything else?

That's what I thought. This is what happens when you read a post too quickly and make a god damn fool of yourself. Idiots

So, Coffee, why do you blame the victims?

Polster why do you support beating children?

You see how that argument works?

Be an adult pollster. Deal with the arguments presented.

How about answering my question?

I'm surprised by you pollster. I expect this kind of childish crap from rebel fury, but I thought you were more rational

It's a strawman. Answer my question. Why do you support beating kids?

Deal with the argument presented you fucking child

You just said that people should be killed if they resist arrest. Why do you feel that way?

"You just said that people should be killed if they resist arrest"

You're a piece of shit liar pollster. Post where I said that. Post the time stamp of the post AND the words where I said what you said

I'll wait...

"No good ever came of resisting arrest, so stop doing it you f*****g morons and you'll stop getting shot as often."

Your very first comment.

That comment doesn't say what you said that I said. I'll ask again, post where I said what you said I said

I'm really disappointed in you pollster. I didn't know how much of a lying piece of shit you were

Lying? You seem to want to blame the victim and justify homicide. Why?

"You just said that people should be killed if they resist arrest."

Prove it. Post where I said this. Stop stalling and post your evidence you weaselly little monkey

Maybe you ought to try decaf...or stop snorting cocaine.

"You just said that people should be killed if they resist arrest."

Prove it. Post where I said this. Stop stalling and post your evidence you weaselly little monkey

Coffees right. Nobody deserves to get shot, but if people just chill the fuck out they'll get shot less. Is it wrong when they do? Sometimes. But don't be stupid and you'll increase your chances of staying alive.

Exactly. Saying you should not resist arrest doesn't make cops right (or wrong). I don't trust cops. This is simply saying whether you are right or wrong, resisting at the point of arrest will NOT help your cause. Fighting it with your lawyer will. And if the cop is in the wrong, then fuck that cop and I hope you win your lawsuit

Pollster either misread it or is too dumb to comprehend it

Some people use logic, others use emotion.
Guess which have a hard time with the cops?

Haha coffee look at yourself, you saying I'm childish is a little kettle/pot.

You know what you said, give it a test. You clearly support law enforcement in everything they do which again, since you didn't deny it, most likely means you're connected somehow, either as a cop, cop hopeful, or one in the family

Yeah what kind of asshole would support Police officers?
Are there bad cops out there? Sure. But saying you despise all Police officers is the same as saying you agree with all the police officers decisions. And making the argument that it's somehow immoral to support the police is pretty ridiculous.

Most police at some point in their shift harass peaceful people unnecessarily

That sounds like a huge assumption with no factual basis. It also makes it apparent that you have a huge bias against Police which would make it nearly impossible to have a reasonable discussion about this topic.

"You clearly support law enforcement in everything they do"

Again with the strawmen. I think on some level rebel knows he fucked up and dug a hole for himself, but instead of being an adult and just admitting he misread something he doubles down and makes up more strawmen arguments. So embarrassing

"make it nearly impossible to have a reasonable discussion about this topic."

You nailed it. Despite me saying I don't trust cops, I committed the cardinal sin in rebel's eyes by not throwing them all under the bus and now he's gone into retard mode where everyone is a cop lover

I agree coffee. Whether you like it or not, as a citizen of your state, you are expected to respect the authority of the police. If they abuse that power, we have one of the best judicial systems in the world to help you get your justice.

Not sure if serious.....

Coffee, get fucked

😘

Rebel what aren't you sure about

Your "kiss the boot" comment above.

Call it what you want. But rioting in the streets and burning down businesses isn't going to help the situation.

Tell that to George Washington

"Getcher fuckin hands offa me sparkey! I said don't touch me! Because...George Washington!"

Not sure if that'll help.

Just saying "always bow down to the thug with a badge" isn't how it should be. Supposedly they work for us. Civil SERVANT they like to say, yet boot lickers say we need to worship the ground they walk on.

"Tell that to George Washington"

Ok, this is helpful. I'm starting to get an idea of the delusions behind your posts. It's clearer now.

Complying respectfully isn't the same as bowing down

MICAH WHY U SUPPORT COPS KILLING KIDS??!?!?? WHAT WOULD GEORGE WASHINGTON SAY. SORRY I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA

Hope I got that right

Yes Micah, it's exactly the same

In that case, when you get pulled over, you fight the police. When I get pulled over, I'll respectfully comply and we'll see which outcome was the best.

And if you are truly wronged by the police, take it to court.

Yeah, go to the forum run by the government with a government representative presiding to complain that the government cop did you wrong.

Gee, I wonder how that will play out.

I think someone literally thinks we live under anarchy ⬆️

....umm, yeah, because I think the government has WAY TOO MUCH power I clearly think it's anarchy out there....


Do you even hear yourself?

So it's anarchy out there now but you want to fight the anarchy with more anarchy? Just give it up man. Go back to the drawing board or something. Your argument isn't really getting anywhere

....I didn't bring up anarchy....

Did you guys get hit in the head recently?

Micah, that last comment is actually quite embarrassing, you're either just being daft or perhaps you lack the mental capacity to comprehend what I've said so far.

Agreed. But you did say it was "anarchy out there". Just give it up

I can assure you that's not the case.

The only thing you've said so far is that you implied that it's awful to support Police. If anyone complies with police, they're "boot kissing" the state. And you also said that we live in anarchy. Did I miss anything?

Rebel it's hard to believe you live in society or have ever left your parents basement with these comments. You view this as all or nothing. Either you're George Washington or you're a "boot licker"

I hate Islam, but I still treat the Muslims I meet as individuals and not as literally Osama bin laden. You're taking this way too seriously

Micah, your sarcasm detection skills need work

Coffee, not that your opinion matters to be but I left home the first day of sophomore year and haven't been back and am in the process of buying my second piece of real estate. I've spent nine years in the military reserve and I dare say I've travelled the world more than many folks here perhaps including present company.

But yes, for someone who bemoans ad hominems and fallacies you sure do like to trot them out.

The military? Oh so you're a bootlicker? Subservient to the state huh? Fight the system! Attica! Attica!

It's hard to detect on this media platform. Where was the sarcasm at.

I can't help you micah

The sarcasm was him saying there was sarcasm

Coffee, I'm not going to explain my ideology to someone acting like a child

This was fun kids let me know when you're ready for an adult conversation

You already explained it. You're insane

I get on this app to have respectable, thought provoking debates/discussions. It's pretty discouraging when the discussions end up like this one.

He put me on ignore lol. Guess he felt I was violating his civil liberties 😂

Or.....OR.....cops stop shooting everyone that looks at them funny

"cops stop shooting everyone that looks at them funny"

Right, because cops shoot people for looking at them funny. What a fucking moron you are

Source: the epidemic of unarmed people getting shot

That's not what epidemic means. And while I am concerned with police shootings, resisting arrest is not the answer to that problem. Can't believe I had to explain that to you

On the contrary, I strongly believe there is a point when resistance is not only a good idea but necessary

Of course. And that point is not a routine traffic stop where you're trying to make a point that you're an asshole to a cop for no reason

Them bothering me and threatening me with punishments from extortion to execution is cause for a little contempt in my book

Then get your lawyer to handle it. Resisting arrest isn't going to help your cause. But you're too much of a child to understand that

Ok, this was fun, bye

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