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truspec August 9th, 2016 12:14am

Should the Big 12 athletic conference refuse membership to BYU because their honor code prohibits homosexual behavior? "Homosexual behavior includes... all forms of physical intimacy that give expression to homosexual feelings." (Details in comments)

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truspec Texas
08/09/16 11:26 am

I think UCF only has a chance if they want 4 teams. I think BYU, Cincinnati and Houston are clearly ahead. Their only chance with 2 teams being added is BYU gets rejected for this reason and Houston gets rejected because of recruiting competition concerns.

m.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/4v7mv4/a_fairly_comprehensive_comparison_of_big_12/

This is a very interesting article that tries to create a way to rank possible candidates. The rankings came out about how I would expect with UCF far behind those top 3 I mentioned

TheCameron UCF
08/09/16 6:51 pm

Only football teams in discussion with a one loss, top ten season in recent years is UCF and Houston.

truspec Texas
08/09/16 10:20 pm

In the most recent year they won 0

TheCameron UCF
08/10/16 7:06 am

Teams aren't added or rejected based on one year, and we've had more conference titles than anyone else in contention (besides maybe Colorado State and BYU isn't in a conference so tough to compare there)

susanr Colorado
08/08/16 7:31 pm

Yes, since there's a written Big 12 *policy* against discrimination. That seems very clear to me.

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Odysseus We All Need A Fantasy
08/08/16 7:13 pm

Yes, until someone shows me proof that homosexuality is a choice, they are discriminating against people for something they have no control over. Bigotry should not be a part of any religion. Change your religious beliefs or accept the consequences.

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4boot LaTrineodeur, MN
08/08/16 8:01 pm

So, are you saying Christians should abandon the Bible...? That would make no sense.

Odysseus We All Need A Fantasy
08/08/16 8:23 pm

It makes perfect sense. The Old Testament advocated slavery, genocide, kidnapping, rape and human sacrifice on the part of the Israelites. Are you saying we should not reject those things?

4boot LaTrineodeur, MN
08/08/16 8:38 pm

The Bible is to be taken as a whole, both the Old and New Testaments. The New Testament gives us the life and gospel of Jesus Christ, who his father sent to us as a sacrifice to pay the penalty for our sins. The New Testament relieves us from many burdens of the Old, but does not redefine what is sin. It is clear in the New Testament that homosexual behavior is sinful, but Christians are "not to throw the first stone" because all are sinful. However, a Christian must not accept the popular secular attitude that homosexual behavior is not sinful, doing so is not compatible with Biblical teaching.

Odysseus We All Need A Fantasy
08/08/16 8:49 pm

4boot, that is pure obfuscation. You get to decide that homosexuality is a sin but choose to disregard what God and the Israelites condoned in the Old Testament. Who gave you the right to pick and choose what parts of the Bible to accept and what parts we can reject?

4boot LaTrineodeur, MN
08/08/16 8:59 pm

In general, the New Testament supersedes the Old, and much of the Old no longer applies. However, the Apostle Paul in the New Testament made it clear that homosexual behavior remains sinful. Hey, it's not me deciding these things; it's mainstream evangelical doctrine...and the reason why evangelical and other hard core believers are being persecuted in today's secular world, just as the Bible predicted.

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
08/08/16 6:36 pm

I'm not a Mormon, but there is NOTHING wrong with their code. (Except that I could have worded it much better.)

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shoeless Texas
08/08/16 6:23 pm

Forget policy, BYU should get into the BIG 12, they need a new team to take last place for a while, Baylor left that spot after years of being the guaranteed win for every other team.

Praetorianus Fair enough.
08/08/16 5:55 pm

It looks like BYU wants to become member of Big12.
In that case, BYU is the one who has to abide by the Big12 code of non discrimination, not the other way round. Make that a condition.

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truspec Texas
08/08/16 5:16 pm

The quote is from the BYU honor code. The full section on homosexual behavior is as follows: "Brigham Young University will respond to homosexual behavior rather than to feelings or attraction and welcomes as full members of the university community all whose behavior meets university standards. Members of the university community can remain in good Honor Code standing if they conduct their lives in a manner consistent with gospel principles and the Honor Code.
One's stated same-gender attraction is not an Honor Code issue. However, the Honor Code requires all members of the university community to manifest a strict commitment to the law of chastity. Homosexual behavior is inappropriate and violates the Honor Code. Homosexual behavior includes not only sexual relations between members of the same sex, but all forms of physical intimacy that give expression to homosexual feelings."

truspec Texas
08/08/16 5:24 pm

For reference, the Big 12's handbook states, "It is the obligation of each Member Institution to refrain from discrimination prohibited by federal and state law, and to demonstrate a commitment to fair and equitable treatment of all student-athletes and athletics department personnel."
Baylor removed specific references to homosexual acts last year and TCU has a published non-discrimination statement