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AmericanHero August 8th, 2016 9:55pm

Capitalism is receiving money and dignity for your skills. Socialism is taking away your hard earned money, and shoving it down someone else's throat.

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SticksandStones Proud Prude
08/08/16 10:50 pm

Eh. Dignity is not always a requirement to receive lots of money and neither is work (rich parents, et cetera). And I highly doubt anyone would be upset with receiving money, which is what is implied by saying it is shoved down one's throat.

At a basic level, though, I agree.

shygal47 Florida east coast
08/08/16 3:24 pm

There is no guarantee of dignity just because of capitalism, whereas dignity can be found anywhere ... ever see the movie Bridge on the River Kwai?

LeftLibertarian Peak Political Discourse
08/08/16 2:56 pm

If you're economically illiterate sure

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AmericanHero Oregon
08/08/16 3:00 pm

The only people who are economically illiterate are socialists.

LeftLibertarian Peak Political Discourse
08/08/16 3:05 pm

I'll give a better definition of the two that is actually functionable and not just the equivalent of sucking one's own DlCK , capitalism: an economic system featuring private control over the means of production, exchange for goods and services for profit in a market, wage labor, and capital accumulation socialism: social control over the means of production by the workers that operate it, the community, or some other cooperative structure without bosses/capitalists, wages, or capital accumulation.

LeftLibertarian Peak Political Discourse
08/08/16 3:16 pm

That definition is thoroughly ahistorical, it doesn't account for the extremely involuntary history of capitalism, which was established in advanced countries through land enclosures and vagabond laws which saw dissenters tortured, deported, and executed, and than was spread worldwide by imperial powers. It also doesn't take into account the numerous libertarian socialist societies and communities of the past and present that operate as a horizontal network of communes.

LeftLibertarian Peak Political Discourse
08/08/16 3:21 pm

Oh I just thought, it also runs contrary to the history of US backed dictators that served corporate interests, such as Baptista from Cuba, Ferdinand Marcos from the Philippines, and Augusto Pinochet from Chile. Pinochet in particular was known for throwing suspected leftists out of helicopters and for a detention center where political dissidents were tortured while loud music masked their screams. Economically Pinochet was advised by the Chicago boys, who were taught by none other than Milton Friedman. The installation of this military dictatorship also required the other throw of a democratically elected leftist by the way.