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rebelfury76 April 8th, 2016 10:46am

Do you think a Jewish owned bakery should be forced, under threats of violence, to do business with a local neo-nazi group?

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cyanospool The Deep North
04/10/16 2:54 am

No, private businesses should be able to freely deny service on any basis. Yes, even racist and homophobic ones. The more they let their true colors shine, the quicker their reputation will send their business into a nosedive. Or in the case of a business exercising that freedom for a positive cause such as opposing neo-naziism, their reputation may garnish support to help their business.

JackTorS Rest in peace my friend
04/08/16 10:53 am

This is an excellent question.
You can't have it both ways. If you disagree with someone's lifestyle, you either have the right to deny service or you don't.

pdxchory Portland
04/08/16 10:48 am

You clearly misunderstand the provision of service vs the mandating of speech.

TopsQueen Oregon Coast
04/08/16 10:06 am

Yes, and as they serve the bakery goods they can pray over them. Quite a Psalm 51 is good

TopsQueen Oregon Coast
04/08/16 10:10 am

If it's for a special occasion we will have the rabbi come in and bless your food. May it feed your soul. May be our friend the priest will sprinkle holy water on it. Hope you don't go up in a puff of smoke😄🎂

UniversePlan Michigan
04/08/16 7:08 am

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Charlemagne Monarchist
04/13/16 6:43 pm

He was calling you a Nazi. You strayed too far outside of the Hillary Clinton/Mitt Romney spectrum of what he deems acceptable, so you must be a racist.

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
04/08/16 6:31 am

As long as the customers are civil with the owners at all times there is no reason they can't sell them pre made bakery items. But any special orders, they can decline any of those they choose.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
04/08/16 7:30 am

How about let them make the decisions regarding their property and labor?

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
04/08/16 9:57 am

This is. Selling pre made products, you don't even need to know anything G about your customer. They walk in, purchase off shelf, and leave. Who they are doesn't matter. But if they are requesting a service, that requires your devoted time specifically to them, work you choose to do or not do. Buying off the shelf, you've already done the work, it's not for anyone specific. That's the difference to me. Now If those specific individuals have done something to the business owner, they gave every right to not allow them in their store/property.

liam2013 iowa
04/08/16 5:14 am

Where is this happening?

cpaswr just say the letters
04/08/16 6:17 am

Relax, Rebel thinks any form of government interaction is due to "a threat of violence."

04/08/16 5:11 am

No, but they probably would

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/08/16 5:10 am

"Jews, Nazis, Bakery"

Just don't let them near the oven...

JackTorS Rest in peace my friend
04/08/16 10:33 am

That comment made me Führerous.

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
04/08/16 5:06 am

The thing that strikes me most about the inappropriateness of this argument is the following. A gay couple walk into a bakery or photographer's office or some other establishment selling wares to folks who will be celebrating their marriage soon. This loving couple encounter a person full of hate. They are the victims in this encounter. In trying to justify the actions of the hate-filled shop keeper, this argument swaps the parties. The hate-filled person is the person seeking service, while the good person is the oppressed race standing behind the counter. It's exceptionally destructive, and in the same vein as blaming a rape victim for being raped because she was intoxicated and wearing revealing clothing or the abused wife for her abuse because she should have known her abuser would be tired after work and she should have kept the children quiet.

It's an argument full of evil. And the appropriate way to answer is to call out the evil it contains.


04/08/16 5:39 am

Nice how you can contort yourself to see things that way.

rons Thanks America
04/08/16 5:41 am

It's the goose and gander argument.

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
04/08/16 5:43 am

OZ - critical thinking is an amazing skill for one to possess. I'm glad I was helped develop mine over the course of my life.

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
04/08/16 5:45 am

RONS - exactly! Assuming of course the goose is Mother Teresa and the Gander is the Antichrist.

rons Thanks America
04/08/16 6:13 am

You like the law to force service with exceptions.

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
04/08/16 6:56 am

RONS - you're being an idiot.

Rosebud Ohio
04/08/16 6:57 am

You did a fantastic job of wording the opposing argument.

rons Thanks America
04/08/16 10:12 am

I Could be silly. I see the left wanting to have it their way or no way at all. But if you think it's mandatory that everyone must be serviced without regard to anything that's ok with me. The service business should be blind to race, creed, color, religion, political, hate groups. Gonna ties some rainbow colored flies now.

AnarchoComrade Anarchist Federation
04/08/16 4:54 am

There's a difference between actions and identity. It's wrong to turn someone away from your business because they are black, gay, trans, old, etc. It's okay to turn someone away because they are involved in a gang.

reaganist Virtual Congress Justice
04/08/16 4:26 am

No business should be forced to serve anyone.

Liberty 4,032,064
04/08/16 4:20 am

No, I oppose at and all forms of involuntary servitude and forced labor.