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polster2 April 7th, 2016 1:12pm

Wisconsin Congressman Glenn Grothman admitted that Republican-led efforts to undermine voting rights through voter ID laws will help the eventual GOP nominee in November by denying minorities the opportunity to vote for Democrats. Is this a fair law?

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Wackacrat Harford County
04/08/16 4:03 am

No one is denying anyone to vote.

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Seneca imbeciles for trump
04/07/16 10:54 am

Of course it is fair for republicans.

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HoosierFan
04/07/16 7:02 am

The Pro ID crowd is more ignorant than malicious. The negative impact on the poor and elderly is very real and the politician from WI isn't the first Republican to admit voter ID laws are politically motivated.

The easy fix is to franchise ID issuing authority to all public libraries, post offices and select businesses like grocery stores. This would make obtaining an ID as trivial as conservatives say it is.

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MrMilkdud
04/07/16 7:15 am

He isn't saying it's politically motivated. He was clearly saying that voter fraud will level the playing field between D's and R's because D's commit voter fraud.
If you want twist that to say that forcing democrats to play fair gives an republicans an unfair advantage, that's up to you, but you're only fooling yourself.

HoosierFan
04/07/16 7:16 am

The facts are clear. It's not a matter of ideological disagreement.

polster2 US
04/07/16 7:19 am

Milkdud, you're fooling yourself if you believe that the Democrats aren't already playing by the rules.

MrMilkdud
04/07/16 7:19 am

Right. The facts show that voter fraud is real, and voter ID laws are being passed to curb it.

MrMilkdud
04/07/16 7:29 am

Lol, and article by a liberal talking head about a book by a liberal professor who defines voter fraud so narrowly that she's able to dismiss any actual cases of it.

Try again.
And limit your comments to one thread, I'm not chasing you all over this poll.

MrMilkdud
04/07/16 7:32 am

Yeah, I can work the Google on the Internet machine and spam the results into this poll, too.
Show me anything I haven't seen before.

How about this- how about you define exactly what you would accept as proof of voter fraud.

MrMilkdud
04/07/16 7:36 am

The fact is, thanks to democrat progress on restricting gun rights, you folks have set a clear precedent that there is absolutely no constitutional reason to object to requiring proof of citizenship to exercise our rights.

In 10 years, voter ID laws will be the norm and democrats will lose more elections as a result.

polster2 US
04/07/16 8:31 am

You're delusional.

Think Lovin Life
04/07/16 8:46 am

MrMD ... you're absolutely right. The arguments against voter IDs are politically motivated to buy the elections for the dishonest on the left.

MrMilkdud
04/07/16 9:10 am

I simply asked you to clearly define your standard of evidence for voter fraud, and you respond by calling me delusional.
Lol. That says everything anyone needs to know about liberals denying voter fraud.

polster2 US
04/07/16 9:11 am

I've linked you to several academic studies already.

MrMilkdud
04/07/16 9:14 am

That's not an answer to my question. That's just you spamming google results like a 3rd grader writing a report.

polster2 US
04/07/16 9:18 am

If you're too lazy to read, that's not my problem, bud.

MrMilkdud
04/07/16 9:23 am

I've read everything you've posted, and more, because you aren't the first person in denial about voter fraud on this app, and you certainly aren't the first Google jockey.

If you wanted to have a substantive discussion where you actually discuss and defend your position, you wouldn't have avoided my very simple question, and you wouldn't rely on random search results to try to make your point for you.

Think Lovin Life
04/07/16 10:22 am

Hoosier ... just so you know, there's nothing intellectual about your position. It's really rather simple. You should be able -- and required -- to prove that you are who you say you are at any time and in any place.

Your "head in the sand" approach only breeds fraud and abuse.

MrMilkdud
04/07/16 6:40 am

He's absolutely right. Voter ID will help republicans by limiting the democratic party's ability to abuse the system.

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polster2 US
04/07/16 6:49 am

There's no evidence of in-person voter fraud. This is an effort meant to suppress the minority vote, which is overwhelmingly Democratic.

MrMilkdud
04/07/16 7:12 am

Lol. There is a ton of evidence proving voter fraud. There is an equal amount of evidence of democrats moving the goalposts every time they're presented with evidence of voter fraud.
Hell, there's even video of voter fraud in the democratic primaries, which has nothing to do with republicans at all!

You're in denial.

polster2 US
04/07/16 7:20 am

Then why have many, many academic, independent studies shown absolutely no voter fraud at all?

MrMilkdud
04/07/16 7:26 am

The only studies I've seen that claim to prove voter fraud doesn't exist are those conducted by liberal groups claiming to be independent.
Or op eds with headlines claiming voter fraud doesn't exist, but content that ignores the issue entirely and instead spends 6 paragraphs ranting about how republicans are racists.

Every time a study comes out proving that voter fraud exists, liberals deny it and refine what they'll accept as proof of voter fraud.

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
04/07/16 6:36 am

To me this has nothing to do with race. I see no issue with requiring special IDs to vote. Everyone should have an ID. Just reality

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polster2 US
04/07/16 6:51 am

Really? So you think it's just coincidence that whites are a shrinking demographic group, minorities are voting more and more for Democrats, and these laws are being pushed with no evidence of voter fraud right now?

ndull Minnesota
04/07/16 7:39 am

Why do you think people should vote without proving who they are or if they are Americans? What a typical liberal.

polster2 US
04/07/16 7:44 am

Because voter fraud is a non-issue.

ndull Minnesota
04/07/16 7:45 am

Yes it is. Why are so many dead people voting for democrats? Why are we seeing so much double voting especially with absentee ballots? It's absurd. You should have to prove you are an American and who you say you are to vote. That's just common sense.

badattitude no place like home
04/07/16 8:42 am

Here's the article. They state that out of 6.5 million people over the age of 112, only 266 received any social security benefits. So they aren't worried. But they go on to say that with the SS card you can go on to do other things. Like Vote maybe. 6.5 million. Wow. Ôbama only won by 4 million. www.cbsnews.com/news/potential-social-security-fraud-watchdog-finds-suspiciously-old-enrollees/

badattitude no place like home
04/07/16 8:46 am

And now that I think of it, Voter ID won't even catch those people because they probably got Drivers licenses and accounts in the dead people's names. So they will look totally legitimate. There's a lot more work to be done.

badattitude no place like home
04/07/16 6:31 am

Yes, because the minority's that can't vote because of ID, shouldn't be voting anyway. They aren't legally here.

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polster2 US
04/07/16 6:32 am

Not all US Citizens have the ID required by voter ID laws. Your comment is ignorant.

badattitude no place like home
04/07/16 6:35 am

No, the few people in this country without ID are a shadow group that are some kind of outcasts. Unless someone was borne before the printing press or borne in a field. They have ID. There can't be more than 3 or 4 people in this country without ID. Seriously.

polster2 US
04/07/16 6:49 am

The numbers say otherwise.

Lazlo63
04/07/16 6:58 am

How do they cash their welfare checks then?

polster2 US
04/07/16 7:00 am

More proof of GOP racism in that question right there.

Lazlo63
04/07/16 7:06 am

More proof of liberal stupidity in that answer.

badattitude no place like home
04/07/16 7:11 am

Pollster, the Voter ID and protecting Minorities argument is so poor that it's laughable. There cannot be more than a handful of legitimate Americans without ID in this country. Even homeless people have or had or have the ability to get ID. Even if you were borne on a farm in the 1800's. You can get ID because there's enough people that have known you and your relatives to vouch for you. It's so obvious who the Dems are protecting. And it's not poor redneck republicans.

polster2 US
04/07/16 7:23 am

It must be truly disturbing to live in such an alternate reality. How does it feel being so wrong so often?

badattitude no place like home
04/07/16 7:28 am

Pollster, I've never seen this liberal side of you. It's unbecoming. You're usually pretty level headed and can see the obvious signs of a scam. I can't believe that you drank their cool aid on this. Come on. It's so obvious what they are doing. It's a laughable argument.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/07/16 6:29 am

I don't believe that it opresses minorities at all that's not true. However it's an easily manipulated system with the I.D.s but it's the best solution we got.

Also, are you saying poor minorities always vote Democrat to get free benefits? That's sounds a little racist to me.

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polster2 US
04/07/16 6:31 am

Nope, I never implied that at all, but minorities are far less likely to have the financial resources to obtain proper identification, and they are far more likely to vote Democratic.

badattitude no place like home
04/07/16 6:32 am

It's certainly oppressing the minority's that shouldn't be here. But that's good.

polster2 US
04/07/16 6:34 am

NOT ALL US CITIZENS HAVE ID.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/07/16 6:37 am

AN ID DOSEN'T COST THAT MUCH

badattitude no place like home
04/07/16 6:40 am

Right. And why are all these supposed people without ID always democrats? Is there something inherently wrong with this group that they can't live in society like the rest of us?

polster2 US
04/07/16 6:52 am

I never said that they are all Democrats. They're just mostly Democrats and minorities.

badattitude no place like home
04/07/16 6:55 am

Right. I just never hear about someone screaming for the voting rights of the ID less libertarians or conservatives. And you can't tell me that there aren't Catholic conservative Mexican Americans. I'm guessing that they have ID because nobody is trying to protect their vote.

polster2 US
04/07/16 7:00 am

The people who are overwhelmingly negatively impacted by voter ID laws are the poor, who are more likely to be minorities and Democrats. Hispanics vote overwhelmingly for Democrats. Those are simply the facts.

Jimmo Texas
04/07/16 7:59 am

Everywhere that requires voter ID also gives free IDs to those that need them.

badattitude no place like home
04/07/16 8:03 am

Thank you Jim. Good information. Pollster forgets that there are 6.5 million people working in this country with social security numbers that when issued, puts them over the age of 112. And Obàma only won by 4 million votes. So...

ikeurban21 B L C
04/07/16 6:29 am

The Dems can't win without their illegal immigrants or unregistered minorities voting. It's just enforcing the law

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polster2 US
04/07/16 6:31 am

Where's your evidence of that?

ikeurban21 B L C
04/07/16 6:34 am

www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=2216


If the Democrats can raise the dead then they can fool people into thinking there is no voter fraud

polster2 US
04/07/16 6:53 am

There is no in-person voter fraud. When will you accept that?

ikeurban21 B L C
04/07/16 7:12 am

You take about suppressing minorities. Tell me, are they legally able to be here? I'm talking about the ones without ID

ikeurban21 B L C
04/07/16 7:14 am

And there is blatant voter fraud in many forms, almost always helps the corrupt Dems. I don't play the semantics game by saying that it doesn't happen in one particular form by avoiding the bigger picture and using misleading data

ikeurban21 B L C
04/07/16 7:14 am

And there is in Person voter fraud

ikeurban21 B L C
04/07/16 9:08 am

They are only talking about cases that make it to the JD. That doesn't mean anything. Of course there will be few cases.

Are you saying its unfair that illegals won't be able to vote?

ladyniner81 no hope for humanity
04/07/16 6:26 am

Meanwhile they accuse Democrats of voter fraud. Both parties are dirty

Think Lovin Life
04/07/16 9:28 am

Lady ... so, you'll agree with the overwhelming majority of Republicans that we need voter ID to stop fraud from all sides, right?

kscott516 EB rules
04/07/16 6:23 am

No proof doesn't mean it isn't happening. We know thousands of "dead" people end up voting each cycle so it's happening, proof or not. There's nothing wrong with requiring an ID.

polster2 US
04/07/16 6:27 am

This is an attempt to suppress the minority vote and ensure victories for Republican candidates. It's covert racism, plain and simple.

kscott516 EB rules
04/07/16 8:23 am

No, it's about enforcing our voting laws. It's long overdue.

kscott516 EB rules
04/07/16 8:24 am

What's racist is you implying all minorities are poor and can't afford a $10 ID.

polster2 US
04/07/16 8:32 am

How is that racist? It's true.

kscott516 EB rules
04/07/16 8:33 am

"All minorities are poor and can't afford a $10 ID."

⬆️ that's true?