Show of Hands

Which is the dumbest thing in the world.

Nah, hate is a lot dumber and more harmful.

Explain to me where the "Hate" comes from?

Why else would you refuse to do business with someone when you have a business that is open to the public?

Because it would go against their religion if they were to do so. Let me ask you something. Is it okay for a Muslim bakery to not bake a gay wedding cake?

No.

Why? That's their constitutional right. They are exercising their first amendment right to practice their religion. If they don't want to make a gay wedding cake, the government shouldn't force them to do so.

You do not have a constitutional right to discriminate. If your religion calls you to do so, then do not open a business offering goods services to the public.

Your wrong. You do have the constitutional right to discriminate. Can you show me where you cannot? If I run a private enterprise, I can deny service to anyone for any reason.

If a Christian doesn't want to serve someone who is divorced or remarried, they should have that right. Their business might suffer, but big brother shouldn't have the right to tell private businesses what to do.

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The easiest way to show that it is not a Constitutional right is the fact that you have to pass a law to make it legal.

Interesting how that works, huh? We need to pass laws to obtain licenses in order get firearms. What's up with that? It's in the constitution.

No more so than New York

Touché

Hell no there are too many hear already

How

At least we can spell.

What

Oh

Just a few examples, anti-science climate deniers, then there are those trying to get a believe in creationism alongside biology text books in school. Oh and I can't forget the gun nuts. Then there's this aversion to mass transit. And what exactly is a religious freedom bill?

The religious freedom bill is allowing businesses to deny LGBT people, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Khonjin, you now ride on the back of the short bus!

No, I don't agree with someone with someone denying a homosexual person a job, but it will only turn out bad for them and it is ultimately, their decision

Decision? Really?

Yes, it's the owners decision to choose wether or not to hire someone

I see in some instances, it's the other way around. PayPal and Bruce Springsteen are just two examples. Once the Grand old party's racist and bigot's understand that Commerce will flow out of their states, they may wise up.

Here's a question, should the Jew be forced to hire the Nazi?

Woah... Don't bring Jews into this.

Optimally, there would be only "Nazis".

They shouldn't be forced to hire the Nazi but they shouldn't be able to say no specifically because of their beliefs.

So can't the business owner choose who to hire because of his beliefs?

They shouldn't be able to deny someone because of who that person is. We saw how horrible that thinking was in the 1960s in the south. Now it's just LGBT people who are being denied service instead of people of color. Same storyline, conservatives want to deny service to people they see as inferior, only this time there is a new character.

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We actually agree on that

I somewhat disagree. Travel and mixing in other places lets people see alternative working practices in person and exchange ideas. It's a catalyst for improvement. Yes, waste should be avoided. It's hard to pin a direct value on such things though, I think there should be some leeway.

That's fair

Religious freedom is a huge step back? So you hate the Constitution?

Would you happily accept a law that allows secular institutions to deny services to anyone who believes in a god?

No

I would deal with it and go to the next shop and not throw a temper tantrum. Refusing to serve people is just life

Actually Kscott, the first amendment not only guarantees us the right of religious freedom, but it also guarantees that the government will remain secular in legislation (i don't know how people forget this It's 2016). If the government does not remain secular, it is counter-intuitive because one particular religion is being favored by the government; therefore, those who don't follow that religion are just shunned aside. Trying to ban same-sex marriage is not only culturally backwards, but unconstitutional. It's actually the OPPOSITE of religious freedom. It forces people to live their lives according to Christian beliefs, no matter what their religion may be. Don't agree with it? Too bad because the government no longer cares about secularity and they claim this is now the very definition of "religious freedom." It is really disgusting to me how conservatives have twisted that phrase to their side when really, this is the exact opposite of religious freedom.

Exactly, Ike.

Actually it doesn't guarantee that the Gov't stay secular and that's also not what the Founders intended. They simply wanted the freedom OF religion without there being a forced state religion. By forcing a business owner, who is also a person with rights, to serve a patron against their will and their deeply held religious beliefs is not religious freedom at all. That's why this bill is a blessing. Further, same sex marriage goes against more than just Christianity so no particular religion is favored anyway. It also goes against biology considering two people of the same sex cannot produce children.

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