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Which is ethically worse: cheating on your taxes, or cheating on your SAT?

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Torfin Never Behind
04/19/16 3:29 am

The SAT you only hurt yourself..Taxes you hurt the country

ProfCluck Prospect, KY
04/12/16 6:49 am

If you're cheating on your taxes, it's because you don't like the government stealing your hard-earned money. It's not unethical at all. Taxes are the only thing unethical.

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drself Gated Community
04/10/16 7:10 am

Cheating is cheating. There is not difference.

drself Gated Community
04/10/16 7:11 am

Maybe I should have cheated on the English section of my SAT. "There is no difference."

ButchBrewBaker Pennsyltuckey
04/10/16 4:39 am

If you cheat on your SATs, you are just cheating yourself.

jst291
04/09/16 5:37 pm

I had no idea so many other people felt the way I do about taxes.

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mrscheisskopf2 Kentucky
04/08/16 6:25 am

Taxation is theft

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casualhowell
04/07/16 12:00 pm

How would you even cheat on the SATs anyway? Besides looking off of whoever is sitting next to you, obviously.

flyingcar2
04/07/16 6:46 pm

People pay people to go in and take it for them

EquaISideEcon more conservative than u
04/07/16 8:41 am

I if you're smart enough to cheat on the SAT you could've gone to the college you want anyway

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aaronb50
04/07/16 8:11 am

Jesus everyone ranting about taxes being theft or immoral. Maybe it's theft by definition, but a functioning government requires money. Should we have no roads, army, or courts? Would you guys rather live in tribes?

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Pollitics
04/07/16 1:09 pm

No, but if we had voluntary taxes then it wouldn't be theft, and the US military would actually have to focus on defending ourselves instead of running a round pulling the trigger on any country ending in "Istan," creating more enemies down the line so they could profit

MurrayHitchens The Truth Wins Out
04/07/16 6:11 pm

I think you'd find many including myself that see taxes as theft and immoral but a necessary evil that should be minimized. It at the very least is a strong factor in determining the appropriate level of government that many others want to ignore.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
04/08/16 4:12 pm

"And lo unto them the State said 'let there be roads!' And there were roads and it was good."

Book of Statism 1:1-2

dryanmorr
04/07/16 3:38 am

SAT. Because you are cheating may have qualified you into a college that the other student who didn't cheat didn't make the cut.

Taxes...well the government screws you, you can screw it.

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112112321 pleb
04/06/16 8:17 pm

honestly who cares if you cheat on your sat

many colleges stopped looking at it anyhow

dryanmorr
04/07/16 3:38 am

Soon college will be free and it won't matter.

Nightcat
04/07/16 4:50 am

It will be more of a reason. If college is free more students will apply to schools. More students applying means more students they have to look through to find the top ones.

kman101256 Princeton, WV
04/06/16 7:35 pm

Cheating is cheating.

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Classi Collectivist Anarchism
04/06/16 7:09 pm

Look at all these edgy motherfuckers "taxation is theft" get real.

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Classi Collectivist Anarchism
04/06/16 7:51 pm

I somewhat agree with you but at the same time it's absolutely ridiculous

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
04/06/16 7:55 pm

Not really, its extraction of value from someone by force, without consent. What else do you need?

You can try to justify it or rationalize it, doesn't change what it is

AnarchoComrade Anarchist Federation
04/07/16 5:20 am

You sounded very anti capitalist there rebel

rambo088 kansas
04/07/16 7:12 am

Anti govt*

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
04/08/16 4:12 pm

Comrade not sure how you heard that

MrWubbles Texas
04/06/16 7:00 pm

Cheating the thief or the teacher

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stayinformed
04/06/16 6:10 pm

Taxes are immoral

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rambo088 kansas
04/06/16 5:56 pm

Lmao @kermie got offended and had my comment deleted because i said "tea nìgger"

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MurrayHitchens The Truth Wins Out
04/06/16 5:55 pm

Cheating on the SAT exam is trying to deceive people in order to get something you don't deserve. "Cheating" on taxes is like trying to deceive a group a robbers about your hidden valuables.

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kenzbt New York
04/06/16 8:27 pm

I was trying to come up with a smart way to say it.....and you got it perfect!

Alex619 California
04/06/16 5:38 pm

Tax evasion is patriotic & heroic.

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bluerum29 optimistic idealist
04/06/16 5:23 pm

Cheating on SAT could give you someone else's spot in the school. Taxes, well we are taxed too much already so in ok with that

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adamcw Ohio
04/06/16 5:06 pm

Cheating on taxes hurts everybody. Cheating on an SAT will only get you into a college you're not prepared for

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Alex619 California
04/06/16 5:40 pm

Actually cheating on your taxes will benefit everybody, by keeping currency in the private sector, therefore available for growth.

kenzbt New York
04/06/16 8:30 pm

...and adamcw is a dirty, filthy, stinkin' commie...

RobinHood84
04/06/16 4:46 pm

Cheating taxes is almost in the thief realm. As far as cheating on SAT, those who were fortunate enough in high school could hire personal tutors galore, which shows advantages already exist.

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Alex619 California
04/06/16 5:38 pm

Lol. Reducing he burden of theft is almost in the theft realm.

Hilarious.

inthehole
04/06/16 5:41 pm

Cheating on taxes is almost theft?! Lol, so not paying your bills is almost like theft too eh?

RobinHood84
04/06/16 5:47 pm

Key word is cheating. If you lose a job and financially unable to pay a bill, no cheating is involved. Breaking a law by tax evasion is cheating.

evan2048 Michigan
04/06/16 6:14 pm

and why is that bad

inthehole
04/06/16 6:43 pm

OR you lie about your financial situation to avoid paying a bill just like you can lie about your financial situation to avoid paying more taxes.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
04/06/16 7:44 pm

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa......whoa

"Cheating" the thieves, by wanting to keep MY wages that I trade my life and labor for, makes ME the thief?

It must be a three ring circus in your head. How do you rationalize such bullshit?

inthehole
04/07/16 3:34 am

Are you taking a sh!t right now? Firefighters, police, and military are the ones trading their lives so that you can work a fucking nine to five.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
04/07/16 4:03 am

Well I'm a military reservist so what about me? Honestly, what you just said is just incorrect.

inthehole
04/08/16 3:56 pm

A part of me saw that coming. Sry dude. Taxes do pay for military though. And it's not cheating to take all the breaks you can get, that's just the law - even loop holes. But lying to pay less is definitely theft.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
04/08/16 4:10 pm

Lol no it isn't. I can't steal what's mine

PyroSadist like my comments follow
04/06/16 4:33 pm

You cheat on your taxes you were cheating the nation, you cheat on your SATs you are cheating yourself

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obertar1 NY
04/06/16 4:17 pm

NONE! Sounds like a nation of corruption, idiots and abusers.

NKarta Please excuse my sanity
04/06/16 4:11 pm

if you cheat on your taxes, you don't pay the government what you should for one year. If you cheat on your SAT, you get into a better college on false pretenses, you may get better jobs on false pretenses, and that college will give you cheaper tuition and possibly even spending money. those jobs will be giving you monetary reward for the rest of your life, all because you faked a high SAT score.

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rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
04/06/16 4:02 pm

Avoiding theft and extortion or fraud

Easy choice

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lovesquirt Hawkeyes
04/06/16 4:54 pm

Don't forget funding terrorism

Wycliff Huntington Beach, CA
04/06/16 4:00 pm

I have a very hard time understanding what cheating is, so I can't rightly judge which is worse.

elcondor Rural Southern Indiana
04/06/16 3:21 pm

Cheating while in competition is always worse. Yes, the SAT is a competition.

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mikeyDe Marine Corps
04/06/16 3:09 pm

Neither. If your not cheating your not trying. Sometimes you get caught, sometimes you slip through.

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nick12
04/06/16 2:42 pm

SAT definitely by cheating you're putting yourself at an advantage to get yourself into a better college than someone who studied hard to do well on it. Cheating another person is worse than cheating the government.

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veritas1 Panda
04/06/16 2:51 pm

Cheating taxes is the same way, though. If you cheat, everyone else has to pay more. They worked hard for that money. You're not cheating the government out of money--they have to make up the revenue either way--you're cheating every single other taxpayer.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
04/06/16 4:02 pm

Veritas "if you cheat everyone else pays more."

Bullfuckingshit

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
04/06/16 4:05 pm

Even IF your theory was correct, which it isn't on its face, based in the median income, tax brackets, one person's taxes, even if the "cheater" didn't pay a cent in and the IRS spread it out amongst every other working American it would come out to .002 cents per person.

There's just so much wrong with what you said.

inthehole
04/06/16 5:43 pm

If the government aren't people who are they?

veritas1 Panda
04/08/16 11:29 pm

Of course everyone else has to pay more. The money has to be made up from someone. Honest people pay. Tax evaders don't. I'm sorry you're having trouble with this, rebel.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
04/08/16 11:37 pm

And I'm sorry you're having trouble with people keeping the fruits of their labor

veritas1 Panda
04/09/16 12:21 am

Yes. My preference is that people keep the fruits of their labor and not be forced to use those fruits to pay for cheaters.

You clearly support more of a socialist view than I do.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
04/09/16 5:02 am

Then you fail to comprehend what I've said. Youve been on SOH long enough to know that's incorrect.

gonzoboy Arizona
04/06/16 2:27 pm

Cheating on taxes strikes me as being more unethical, since it can also be charged as a crime. Cheating on an SAT is not necessarily a criminal act, unless through forgery you misrepresent yourself, or someone misrepresents themselves for you.

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rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
04/06/16 4:05 pm

So a "crime" is always unethical? You wanna reconsider that before I destroy that statement?

gonzoboy Arizona
04/06/16 4:19 pm

No, rebel. Actually, I think I know where you're headed with this, and we'd probably agree. I tried to draw the connection HERE, ONLY as it pertains in the present, to THIS poll. I did so, with the understanding that our tax system is enforced, under penalty. Without venturing any farther astray than my answer to this poll, with the understanding I'm only offering an opinion based on the reality of consequence for tax fraud, am I really so far off base?

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
04/06/16 4:33 pm

Well I don't see things that way but we've probably gone down the "just because its illegal doesn't make it wrong" road before

Nationalist Defend Liberty
04/06/16 2:25 pm

Cheating on taxes is unethical.. Ha! It's unethical to steal billions of dollars from a working people, by threat of force, to fund an illegal corporate government that continues to undermine the liberty of its people and murder thousands of innocent people overseas. Protecting what you earned from these thieves is the most heroic thing you can do. Maybe when they start abiding by their constitutional restrictions, then I might be willing to put some money forward.

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Nationalist Defend Liberty
04/06/16 2:29 pm

And don't give me the BS about welfare. We've become so reliant on the state and desensitized to the problems of people that we've lost our sense of humanity and charity. Let's start working within our communities to help one another and stop taking table scraps from the elites.

shnibbydawhale Nihilist
04/06/16 2:31 pm

You deserve all of the awards my good sir.

Nationalist Defend Liberty
04/06/16 2:33 pm

Thank you! Here's to being liberated from institutional brainwashing! Cheers!

nkay666 San Diego
04/06/16 3:59 pm

Well said!

Zod Above Pugetropolis
04/06/16 2:12 pm

I think taxes. It means someone with the integrity you lack will be picking up your share of the bill. Freaking freeloader. Cheating on the SAT shows the same kind of absence of character, but it doesn't have the same broad effect. At most you get the spot the last applicant above the cutoff should have gotten, but you'll fail out and that spot will open up soon enough.

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libertyordeath2 Alabama
04/06/16 2:00 pm

Taxation is theft tho

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Mackinaw Wolverine State, est.1837
04/06/16 1:58 pm

I'd say SAT. Taxes are higher than they ought to be.

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schristo
04/06/16 1:53 pm

Seriously...cheating is bad regardless

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kermie gaytopia
04/06/16 1:44 pm

The SAT (like all standardized testing) and how we use it ends up cheating a lot of people itself. But taxes are your obligation to your neighbors for all they do for you.

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krannapple
04/06/16 1:35 pm

If you don't like the taxes you are paying you should work have have them changed. Cheating on you taxes is unethical regardless of whether you think the government uses the money appropriately.

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rambo088 kansas
04/06/16 1:33 pm

I encourage cheating taxes

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kermie gaytopia
04/06/16 1:44 pm

That's the most unpatriotic thing I could imagine.

kermie gaytopia
04/06/16 5:46 pm

Wow. Reported. @Tony these people are ruining your app.

rambo088 kansas
04/06/16 5:49 pm

No over-sensitive pusses like you ruin it. Report me I don't give a shìt.

kanji401 SoCal
04/06/16 1:32 pm

Cheating is cheating.

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Bobnpt The Ocean State
04/06/16 1:18 pm

I said SATs since I think the bigger crime is how the government uses my tax dollars.

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Bobnpt The Ocean State
04/06/16 1:22 pm

Did you know that statistics show that 75% of the money going to welfare is actually used to administer the program. WASTE!!!

krannapple
04/06/16 1:32 pm

Where did you get that statistic?

kermie gaytopia
04/06/16 1:45 pm

LOL. God bless.

Wino I need a drink
04/06/16 2:27 pm

Bless his heart, he's foolish enough to get "news" from former drug addict Rush Limbaugh.
oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-05-91-01080.pdf

CTYankee!!! Connecticut
04/06/16 1:17 pm

If you cheat on your SAT, you'll get in a better school. Which leads to a better job and you'll pay MORE in taxes throughout your lifetime. So that's a good thing. YAY!

Squidboy Snarkapottamus
04/06/16 1:16 pm

SAT you mostly hurt yourself and at most....1 person you might have bumped. Cheating on taxes....especially if you are wealthy....hurts all of society.

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MJSeals J.D.
04/06/16 1:10 pm

I hate both, but jail time is worse than waiting a month to retake an exam, or you can apply to sat optional schools.