A good friend of mine had an abortion yesterday. If you knew this was going to happen 3 days ago, do you feel like you would have had the right to tell her not to?
If a close friend confided in me, I would offer an opinion. I imagine that's why they told me. What that advice is would require more details about her reasoning.
Not my body to make decisions on. It's not like she's doing a bad thing. If it was heroin, I'd be inclined to give an opinion, but only because it's genuinely destructive. Abortion on the other hand is more of a solution than a force of destruction
Hmm... Can't say I've ever heard that speculation in scientific terms. I suppose casually and un-scientifically, a baby could be either newborn or a fetus, but you'd need to be more specific with your casual wording..
I don't see it as sad at all. In fact, I think it's more sad that people would try to force their religious beliefs on others, and make both mother (and father, if in the picture), and the newborn suffer, rather than just allow termination of
Fetus. An unwanted child tends to remain unwanted, and only puts more strain on parent(s) that didn't want to be parent(s). That's far worse than terminating a fetus, which isn't even an individual person, as it la kid bodily autonomy
What constitutes danger? Does a life of poverty for both mother and child constitute danger? I'd think it does. Especially if that means the mother has to engage in illegal activities to support the child. Same goes for the father, if in
The picture. Same goes for the added danger to the child, or mother of the father must turn to illegal activities, and the mother must support the child on her own if the father is arrested/incarcerated.
I don't see how it's "not ok". Like I said before, I can see how it's not ok to force someone to bear a child they don't want, raise it reluctantly, struggle to support it, and have the child live with less opportunity to have a decent life.
Killing something that isn't a person, in order to protect an individuals quality of life is more ok than contributing to overpopulation, poverty, increasing need for welfare taxes, unsafe illegal abortions, and lower education rates.
It's actually better for whole groups of people to legally allow abortions. Not to mention its better to not push religious beliefs on other people, who are themselves individuals with bodily autonomy.
Force a person to make life suck more? Or terminate a fetus? And AGAIN, quality of life for everyone involved, including the baby once it's born. You're basically for making more children living difficult miserable lives
Id rather prevent needless suffering than promote it. Terminating a fetus is not in the least bit a problem when it comes to securing quality of life. Enforcing the law on illegal abortions is an extremely sadistic endeavor.
No, it's not at all ironic. You are sadistic for wanting multiple people to suffer, while I say people should have the right to choose to terminate a fetus. Its just some tissues and undeveloped organs. You make it sound like I'm talking about
Killing a child. You want people to suffer needlessly. I want people to not suffer. How is that in any way ironic? You sound like you would charge a mother with involuntary manslaughter for having a miscarriage..
If you force an unwanted fetus to be born, you are causing the parent(s) and the baby to suffer. Therefore, you want people to suffer. You'd rather a child grow up unwanted and likely neglected than be spared that misery.
I don't know how it is you don't see that you're ideology hurts people tremendously. Making people (multiple, including the child) suffer for years and years, vs terminating the fetus. And by making abortions illegal, you don't
Stop abortions, you only make them more dangerous. That speaks volumes to how much damage an unwanted child is. A mother would rather risk life and limb to end an unwanted pregnancy than to suffer having the
Unwanted child. It's not bullcrap, it's reality. Your idea is more dangerous than you're willing to admit. And frankly, on a wider scale, it's more costly for the rest of us. Do you want to pay more taxes for poor children and
Oh, that simple, huh? I just don't understand? Ever stop to think maybe you don't understand the myriad of problems caused by lack of choice with unwanted pregnancies, vs the one insignificant downside to allowing freedom?
Delusional?! Do you have a problem with reading or memory. Go ahead, re-read your own comments. You absolutely contradicted yourself. And you say I have flawed logic.
Really, go and do some actual research and you'll find that limiting abortions is far worse than just letting people have their choice, that making abortions illegal doesn't stop them from happening: it just makes women desperate
Enough to risk injury, even death, to have an abortion, that Christians make up the largest number of women getting abortions. And the rest is just common sense. You say you'd be ok with it if it endangered the mothers life.
First, you hypocritically just advocated for killing babies, as you put it, and second, you're position in this regard is with quality of life. If illegal abortions pose a risk to the lives of desperate mothers who don't want to have a child,
What then? What if a mother doesn't have a father figure for the child, and can't support the child on her own? You want the mother and child to suffer needlessly because you think it should be illegal? Where's the advocacy for quality
Of life in that? And you can't really say, oh, there's plenty of parents that want to adopt, because the massive list of children in need of parents and homes suggests otherwise. And maybe the government helps pay for the cost of
Raising a child, but your illegal abortion law just raised everyone else's taxes, and just because the costs are somewhat alleviated doesn't mean the child will be well raised, fed, educated, have opportunities, etc, not to mention
The child is unwanted. Your ideology puts a big strain on the rest of us, when you could just terminate a fetus. It's not even a person. It literally can't be murder. Sure, call it machiavellian, to terminate a living thing
In order to spare the suffering of many, but it's not something you can make any better by making it illegal. It's more likely to make the problem worse.
"Good friend". I support her in a difficult time, I most certainly do not make it even more difficult for her or second guess a decision that was hers alone to make. Or even offer advice of any kind unless she asks for it.
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