Sec of Defense proposes Valid ID Act
Vetoed- Because the amendment,which I stated was required for my signature of the bill, has failed, I stand by my word and veto this bill.
Curious, have we kept track of how many bills have gotten vetoed it would be interesting to see who vetos the most bills.
With every decision, I stand by the principles I'be held ever since I started in the VC, the principles that got me elected by a majority of this congress
Still want an answer to my question.
blue, i'll try to find out
No surprises dems vote no.
it looks split..
Valid ID? But then how will we get fake voters in?
Amendment: Every citizen of voting age is guaranteed a photo ID, at no cost, that can be used in place of any identification listed in section 2
Even though it's a step in the right direction I would still oppose. It would be extremely costly and complicated. I would like to see a basic plan as to how you would implement this.
Voting yea if President's amendment passes.
This would be the only way I could consider it.
Before I could support this bill, I want to see included a guarantee of a free photo ID for every citizen
Can someone post an amendment?
Where would the money come from?
Im sure each state can find it somewhere. You aren't talking about millions of ppl. There is a relatively small number of ppl with no form of photo ID.
People can pay for their own stuff. It's not that costly
What if you are homeless, get 10 dollars a day? You can't afford to not eat.
No, but this is a one time thing that is every four years. You only need one ID. The majority of homeless people today are veterans and they already have ID cards. The issue would be the minority of a minuscule percentage
But they should be allowed to vote too, right?
If they are citizens and of age
Of course. So maybe free ID should be afforded to citizens who cannot afford it.
Because they aren't free. Someone pays for them to happen. We need to stop paying for so much for others so we can reduce taxes overall
So those who cannot afford ID should not be allowed to vote?
Not what im.saying. I'm saying that at so.e point 99.9 % if not 100% of peoole could afford it. At some point they had the means, and at some Point they probably had the ID that would be required.
How can we be sure of that? Sadly, there is likely some people in poverty that truly cannot afford an ID. Isn't denying one person the right to vote, one too many?
Nothing is being denied. And how can we be sure that at some point in their life they had one of those IDs, common sense?
There are always extreme cases. Not like a few hundred (at most) IDs is going to utterly destroy our finances.
No, but it's the concept.
So in the end, shouldn't we guarantee all the right to vote?
Ugh, we already do. We have the right. Round and round we go.
In that case, OK.
Hold on, what does a birth certificate prove? I could just grab anyone's birth certificate who lives in my district and vote for them? This bill didn't even achieve its goal if birth certificates are included. The whole point is to prove that you are in fact you but without a photo you prove absolutely nothing.
Well no, the birth certificate would be used in collaboration for certain states that issue drivers licenses to illegal immigrants. All the birth certificate does is verify you were born in the U.S.
That's not in the bill
Support mostly. Sadly there are some states readily giving illegals drivers licenses, so not sure how that works here.
How about an amendment where if you are within the small percentage of citizens that just cant seem to get their shit together, they can obtain a state issued photo-ID free of charge??
This way they have no excuse to scream "POLL TAX!!"
Yea. The argument could be made that it is difficult to ID, but this bill gives enough forms of ID that it is hard to not have one handy.
Democrats: what is the issue with this bill?
Not a democrat but here
Again. Why do Voter ID laws only affect certain populations? All those people need IDs to drive, but alcohol, rent a house, open a bank account, receive social security checks, own a firearm, fly in an airplane, enter an airplane terminal, etc. I don't understand why the left is so against making sure only Americans of age vote only once.
First of all in person voter fraud virtually doesn't exist. Second, obviously there is a population that don't do any of those things because 21 million Americans don't have the ids to do those those things and to quote the article above "a disproportionate number of these Americans are low-income, racial and ethnic minorities, and elderly."
Make it easier to get them! They cost like $10. You can save that much over 3 years and 11 months to get yourself an ID.
You just pointed out the main problem. Voting is not a privilege it's a right. Making people save up what little they have to vote is making it a privilege, which is so unbelievably un-American it's embarrassing that this bill is even proposed.
Okay. It's also a right to own firearms. Yet here we are needing permits and licenses
It's unAmerican? Okay😂😂
I assume by your laughing that you don't take what many would consider to be the most valuable American right very seriously. Also there is a huge hole in your bill I commented separately above, I'm interested in a comment from the author.
No, I'm laughing because you think the bill is UnAmerican for wanting Americans only to vote once. And because you are saying that one "right" should be held higher than another. That, in itself, is unAmerican.
I do think that certain rights can be held higher than others because some are outdated. Obviously it's more important to be able to vote and speak freely than to own a firearm. What do you think is a better tool to keep us from an over controlling tyrannical gov, a gun or a vote.
Nay. This is a state issue.
Not when it involves federal elections
There's actually no such thing as a federal election. Elections are hosted by the states.
Correct. However, this is well within the federal gov'ts jurisdiction because it directly involves federal officials
That's actually a perfect reason for the federal government to not be involved.
No, as they have agreed not to do so. Non-sequitur slipper slope combo fallacy. Double points awarded.
Logical fallacies are universal. Your illogical and irrelevant statements don't magically become logical just because you like them.
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Valid ID Act
Section 1: All persons who wish to vote in federal elections must present identification that they are citizens of the United States and of legal voting age.
Section 2: Valid identification includes a birth certificate, state issued driver's license, state issued identification cards, military identification cards/veteran's identification cards.