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Zackisan VC Member
04/06/16 7:03 pm

Vetoed- Because the amendment,which I stated was required for my signature of the bill, has failed, I stand by my word and veto this bill.

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
04/06/16 8:51 pm

Curious, have we kept track of how many bills have gotten vetoed it would be interesting to see who vetos the most bills.

Zackisan VC Member
04/06/16 8:53 pm

With every decision, I stand by the principles I'be held ever since I started in the VC, the principles that got me elected by a majority of this congress

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
04/06/16 9:00 pm

Still want an answer to my question.

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
04/04/16 7:37 pm

Valid ID? But then how will we get fake voters in?

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Zackisan VC Member
04/04/16 4:07 pm

Amendment: Every citizen of voting age is guaranteed a photo ID, at no cost, that can be used in place of any identification listed in section 2

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16jcassidy VC Vice Speaker
04/04/16 4:26 pm

Even though it's a step in the right direction I would still oppose. It would be extremely costly and complicated. I would like to see a basic plan as to how you would implement this.

CollinN
04/04/16 6:56 pm

Voting yea if President's amendment passes.

firefly5 the verse
04/05/16 8:28 pm

This would be the only way I could consider it.

Zackisan VC Member
04/04/16 3:48 pm

Before I could support this bill, I want to see included a guarantee of a free photo ID for every citizen

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Senate101 San Diego
04/04/16 4:05 pm

Can someone post an amendment?

ndull Minnesota
04/04/16 4:12 pm

Where would the money come from?

FATSHADOW Cyborg Gorilla
04/04/16 4:47 pm

Im sure each state can find it somewhere. You aren't talking about millions of ppl. There is a relatively small number of ppl with no form of photo ID.

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
04/04/16 7:01 pm

People can pay for their own stuff. It's not that costly

Senate101 San Diego
04/04/16 7:47 pm

What if you are homeless, get 10 dollars a day? You can't afford to not eat.

ndull Minnesota
04/04/16 7:54 pm

No, but this is a one time thing that is every four years. You only need one ID. The majority of homeless people today are veterans and they already have ID cards. The issue would be the minority of a minuscule percentage

Senate101 San Diego
04/04/16 8:19 pm

But they should be allowed to vote too, right?

ndull Minnesota
04/04/16 8:20 pm

If they are citizens and of age

Senate101 San Diego
04/05/16 6:12 am

Of course. So maybe free ID should be afforded to citizens who cannot afford it.

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
04/05/16 9:49 pm

Because they aren't free. Someone pays for them to happen. We need to stop paying for so much for others so we can reduce taxes overall

Senate101 San Diego
04/06/16 6:34 am

So those who cannot afford ID should not be allowed to vote?

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
04/06/16 6:38 am

Not what im.saying. I'm saying that at so.e point 99.9 % if not 100% of peoole could afford it. At some point they had the means, and at some Point they probably had the ID that would be required.

Zackisan VC Member
04/06/16 6:46 am

How can we be sure of that? Sadly, there is likely some people in poverty that truly cannot afford an ID. Isn't denying one person the right to vote, one too many?

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
04/06/16 6:58 am

Nothing is being denied. And how can we be sure that at some point in their life they had one of those IDs, common sense?

Senate101 San Diego
04/06/16 8:30 pm

There are always extreme cases. Not like a few hundred (at most) IDs is going to utterly destroy our finances.

Senate101 San Diego
04/07/16 6:28 am

So in the end, shouldn't we guarantee all the right to vote?

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
04/07/16 6:33 am

Ugh, we already do. We have the right. Round and round we go.

16jcassidy VC Vice Speaker
04/04/16 3:37 pm

Hold on, what does a birth certificate prove? I could just grab anyone's birth certificate who lives in my district and vote for them? This bill didn't even achieve its goal if birth certificates are included. The whole point is to prove that you are in fact you but without a photo you prove absolutely nothing.

ndull Minnesota
04/04/16 4:12 pm

Well no, the birth certificate would be used in collaboration for certain states that issue drivers licenses to illegal immigrants. All the birth certificate does is verify you were born in the U.S.

16jcassidy VC Vice Speaker
04/04/16 4:27 pm

That's not in the bill

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
04/04/16 3:36 pm

Support mostly. Sadly there are some states readily giving illegals drivers licenses, so not sure how that works here.

FATSHADOW Cyborg Gorilla
04/04/16 2:53 pm

How about an amendment where if you are within the small percentage of citizens that just cant seem to get their shit together, they can obtain a state issued photo-ID free of charge??

This way they have no excuse to scream "POLL TAX!!"

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Senate101 San Diego
04/04/16 2:46 pm

Yea. The argument could be made that it is difficult to ID, but this bill gives enough forms of ID that it is hard to not have one handy.

ndull Minnesota
04/04/16 1:30 pm

Democrats: what is the issue with this bill?

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ndull Minnesota
04/04/16 3:22 pm

Again. Why do Voter ID laws only affect certain populations? All those people need IDs to drive, but alcohol, rent a house, open a bank account, receive social security checks, own a firearm, fly in an airplane, enter an airplane terminal, etc. I don't understand why the left is so against making sure only Americans of age vote only once.

16jcassidy VC Vice Speaker
04/04/16 3:46 pm

First of all in person voter fraud virtually doesn't exist. Second, obviously there is a population that don't do any of those things because 21 million Americans don't have the ids to do those those things and to quote the article above "a disproportionate number of these Americans are low-income, racial and ethnic minorities, and elderly."

ndull Minnesota
04/04/16 3:47 pm

Make it easier to get them! They cost like $10. You can save that much over 3 years and 11 months to get yourself an ID.

16jcassidy VC Vice Speaker
04/04/16 3:52 pm

You just pointed out the main problem. Voting is not a privilege it's a right. Making people save up what little they have to vote is making it a privilege, which is so unbelievably un-American it's embarrassing that this bill is even proposed.

ndull Minnesota
04/04/16 3:53 pm

Okay. It's also a right to own firearms. Yet here we are needing permits and licenses

ndull Minnesota
04/04/16 3:54 pm

It's unAmerican? Okay😂😂

16jcassidy VC Vice Speaker
04/04/16 4:08 pm

I assume by your laughing that you don't take what many would consider to be the most valuable American right very seriously. Also there is a huge hole in your bill I commented separately above, I'm interested in a comment from the author.

ndull Minnesota
04/04/16 4:11 pm

No, I'm laughing because you think the bill is UnAmerican for wanting Americans only to vote once. And because you are saying that one "right" should be held higher than another. That, in itself, is unAmerican.

16jcassidy VC Vice Speaker
04/04/16 4:22 pm

I do think that certain rights can be held higher than others because some are outdated. Obviously it's more important to be able to vote and speak freely than to own a firearm. What do you think is a better tool to keep us from an over controlling tyrannical gov, a gun or a vote.

ndull Minnesota
04/04/16 1:30 pm

Not when it involves federal elections

Liberty 4,032,064
04/04/16 1:50 pm

There's actually no such thing as a federal election. Elections are hosted by the states.

ndull Minnesota
04/04/16 1:51 pm

Correct. However, this is well within the federal gov'ts jurisdiction because it directly involves federal officials

Liberty 4,032,064
04/04/16 1:55 pm

That's actually a perfect reason for the federal government to not be involved.

Liberty 4,032,064
04/04/16 3:08 pm

No, as they have agreed not to do so. Non-sequitur slipper slope combo fallacy. Double points awarded.

Liberty 4,032,064
04/04/16 6:31 pm

Logical fallacies are universal. Your illogical and irrelevant statements don't magically become logical just because you like them.

VirtualCongress Speaker NDAmerican
04/04/16 12:48 pm

Section 1: All persons who wish to vote in federal elections must present identification that they are citizens of the United States and of legal voting age.

Section 2: Valid identification includes a birth certificate, state issued driver's license, state issued identification cards, military identification cards/veteran's identification cards.