Show of Hands

You clearly don't understand the process...

Gee! Maybe you can explain it!

Depending on your State, details could vary slightly, but typically, when you vote, you're not voting for Donald Trump or Ted Cruz. You're voting for delegates who signed up way before the election as loyalists to those candidates. They are people just like you and me. You could be a delegate if you wanted to be. Per Party rules, you are required to cast the first ballot for the candidate you originally signed up to be loyal to. After the first ballot, those delegates become unbound and can vote for whoever they want. Being they are like you and me, their opinions can be changed throughout the process. If no one has 1237 after the first ballot, they can vote for who they want. It's not the RNC screwing Trump. It's Trump screwing himself by not staying true to his delegates. Now, the RNC CAN put up their own candidate and the senior guys CAN decide that this will be the nominee, but if that happens, you know as well as I do that there will be a revolt. That won't happen.

Nothing new there. Would you agree the republican establishment has been trying to stop Trump? I think the RNC will continue to screw him anyway they can. Those delegates can change anytime they want, shouldn't but may. For the good of the GOP! RNC!

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Just keeping it real, ya know

True. What they are doing is within the rules though.

Of course, they make the rules.

Hahah! Good point!

Truly, it's always someone else's fault, or so he claims. Often followed by a threat to sue.

That's not true! Fox News has treated him very unfairly..... Haha!

I don't think he has ever DONE anything with dignity.

@tlaney1. Verdict?

The reason for this is because "whom" acts like "him." Therefore, when "he" is the subject in having the delegates, we use "who."

But isn't "whom" used following a preceding preposition? The same would carry over to "whomever" correct? Hence "for whomever they wish."

My first statement was redundant..... Remove "preceding" please.

It would be "whom" if it were the *object* of a preposition, but "that" isn't a preposition. I believe "that" is a subordinating conjunction in this sentence (but I'm not positive; @tlaney1 would indeed be able to help here). "Whomever has a plurality should win" is essentially a sentence in itself, with a subject and verb... The subject should be "who" rather than "whom."

Try making it into a quote & maybe the structure will be clearer. Like: "Trump has been crying, "Whoever has a plurality..." You certainly wouldn't use "Whomever" there. In your sentence, everything after "that" is a paraphrase of what Trump "has been crying."

Not sure that helps any...

True... Damn! It appears as if my grammar has been used improperly! This is something up with which I will not put!

Hahaha!

Hi! I've been asleep! It's "whoever." Don't worry about the "that." You're saying, "Whoever has a plurality should get the nomination." Obviously, as the subject of this clause, you need "who," not "whom."

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Whoever is the correct choice, because it is the subject of the dependent clause.

I believe that is a nominative clause, but I am out of practice on that. @tlanely1 nominative or adjective?

Derek, "that" is not a preposition.

Susan, your assessment was correct! 🙂

Trump isn't a Liberal, but Kaisch is a cuck.

Okay sweetie

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He pulls her stings, you got it backwards. He's also funded thousands to Cruz, something you always ignore.

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He's her puppet by getting buildings he wanted done by giving her money. Makes sense.

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I'd rather support the "Clinton Croney" than the "Sachs Sucker" named Cruz.

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Do you have any sources to back your claims? I know he donated but can you prove that was so she could win the presidental election, and not that he needed a couple permits to build a building?

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He's not a life long Democrat, stop saying that meme. He has a proven voting record of being Republican.

Second, can you tie any of this back to this election?

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Also he never endorsed Clinton, or didn't say he was a life long Democrat.

And he didn't*

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My hero? My hero is Andrew Jackson not Trump.

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Rightfully?
What's right about him breaking his promise to support the eventual nominee?

The fact where they screwed him out of a win despite having the most delegates.

The party is corrupt and no longer conservative. I wish to see it fall apart so real conservatives can have a party aging.

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But he won't have the most delegates. He has delegates who are required to vote for him who don't actually support him. That's his fault for neglecting that crucial part of having a well-organized campaign.

If you're thinking he's been a Hillary plant this whole time you should write for Infowars.

When the RNC openly admits it's their goal to stop Trump, and Ted Cruz commits voter fraud in Texas, I think it's only fair if he ran 3rd party.

Voter fraud inTexas?!? ....... BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!! Maybe YOU should write for InfoWars! Hahahah! You're such a bafoon!

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Ted Cruz did commit voter fraud: archive.is/iGImw

Also, Trump is losing fair and square by receiving more delegates and votes than the others but still has a chance of losing?

Because it takes a MAJORITY of delegates to win. Not a PLURALITY. Trump doesn't get to change the rules during the game just because he wants.

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Ummm.... There is literally nothing substantial in that three paragraph opinion piece......... Literally zero. "We have thousands of irregularities..." Show me. Oh, you can't? And so I'm supposed to believe you because......??

Oh so you can be the people's choice, and get all the votes but lose because of bought out delegates? Just another reason why the party should be destroyed.

That's why you go on the links provided. I don't know if you knew sources had sources in them.

I think you cry more than Trump does.....

He's not the people's choice.
The people's choice would win a majority. Trump is a very weak frontrunner when compared to past front runners. He has yet to win a majority of votes in ANY state so far. Even Cruz has done that. Multiple times.

I don't, but you lie more than Cruz.

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There is only one link on that OpEd..... And it literally goes to a Trump SuperPAC.... But I thought he was self-funding?!?!

So if he's not the people's choice than how has he won more states, and delegates than Cruz?

Because for so long there were too many candidates in the race.

The Superpac dosen't fund Trump in anyway.

I don't know if you know this but Trump unlike Cruz dosen't take bribes from corporations.

If Cruz was the people's choice he should be in Trump's position right now.

I never said Cruz was the people's choice. The people haven't made a choice yet.

And they may not. If they don't, it becomes the delegates' choice per the party rules.

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Go take a civics class man! You are so politically retarded, it's sad. You don't understand the basic process by which candidates are chosen. You don't understand the rules established by the Parties. You really don't understand anything except Trump is gonna do it! He gon make 'Merica great again! You're just like the crazy blonde from that SNL skit....

I do understand how politics work just not corrupt ones.

So it's not corrupt that Trump has literally spent his entire career buying politicians from both parties? That is the definition of corruption.

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It's more corrupt that those politicans are allowed to run.

This process isn't corrupt. It would be if Reince says "We're nominating Kasich!" But that's not what's going to happen. The delegates are very important to the process. It's important to put forth a candidate that the majority (not a plurality) of the people want. If there is no majority, then the delegates are burdened with casting a vote for whom they believe to best represent their congressional district or State. A LOT changes from Iowa to California, and a LOT changes people's minds. This is why our process is so important to be drawn out. Think about how long it took for Trump U and everything else to come out...

So these delegates who I don't even know get to decide who I want no matter who I voted for?

No, they don't decide who you want. Only you can decide that, lol.
Since the people failed to make a decision, the choice will be left up to the delegates, who are representatives from each of the states.

Delegates are voted for and selected during their state party convention. If you want to know them, go meet them there and get involved in the party in your state.

So who selects the delegates since I'm supposedly to dumb to make my own decisions?

You do. When you cast a vote for Donald Trump, you're actually casting a vote for the delegates who at the time were loyal to Trump. As things go on, the delegates change their mind, but must vote for him on the 1st ballot. After that, they vote for whomever they wish.

That sounds like an easily courrut process.

How? Show your work. Don't just be a Trump.

A delegate can just pretend they support Trump, and then just vote Cruz even though the majority wanted Trump.

That's why delegates are bound for a certain number of ballots. It only becomes an issue in an election like this year when no candidate will reach a majority.

If trump doesn't like it, maybe HE should have put in the work to unite the party behind him rather than insulting everyone in his sight. He would have enormous appeal if he was an actual conservative who had some class.

Well he is an actual conservative and has a history of voting Republican.

Republican =/= conservative

Tell me an actual conservative principal that he has stood for without flip flopping.
Not an issue like immigration, where he takes a populist position. I'm concerned about his PRINCIPLES.

He's always been against other countries beating us in trade, and has mainly voted conservative.

Although I wouldn't even have identified as conservative 2 years ago, what matters now is my current positions.

Again, voting republican =/= being a conservative.
Trade wars are not conservative. The conservative principle is to promote the free market and leave the government out of it.

Try again.

It's not free trade if we get ripped off from the deals, and it takes jobs from here. Outsourcing Jobs and companies isn't conservative.

How is voting Republican not conservative? The Republican party has been the conservative party for the last couple decades.

Also a conservative principal he has had is being strictly against environmental regulation.

He's also never supported Obama, and even led a smear campaign against him.

These are not principles you are spouting. A principle is used to form opinions on topics such as trade, environmental regulation, and immigration.
Trump is adopting populist positions.

Conservatism is about preserving freedom, limited government, and the rule of law. THOSE are principles.

The Republican Party has not been a Conservative party since Reagan left office. I think you have bought into a false definition of what conservatism is, but id be happy to explain it to you as long as we don't have to have arguments over Trump.

Reagan was granted amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants. How is that at all conservative?

Also Nafta was a terrible idea.

It wasn't, and Reagan wasn't a perfect conservative either, as nobody is. However, he is undoubtedly the most conservative president we've had in the last century.

His amnesty deal just shows what happens when you violate your principles in order to make a deal.

The Reagan amnesty was a deal that would grant amnesty only if the border was secured. That is reasonable, but they never followed through on border security.

Would you consider NAFTA a Globalist idea?

Not at all. NAFTA has its flaws, but I believe that markets should generally be free and lightly regulated. I'm not a protectionist and protectionism is not conservative.
If NAFTA were globalist, it would be a foreign body setting regulations WITHIN the United States, rather than just being a free trade agreement.

So he made a bad deal, and switched our demographics?

I personally see the free trade with across borders as a bad thing, not a positive. The wages wouldn't be comparable.

Can we get out of the weeds? We are all aware of past our Presidents' flaws... Focus on your boy Trump.

But to support protectionism is to give the government too much power to control the economy.

Derek he said we should avoid Trump now and talk about something else. I also like spamming your notification box.

Derek, I think focusing on trump is the wrong approach. This election should be about spreading conservative views. Trump has been detrimental to that goal. Focusing on him only hurts conservatives. Trump brings enough negative attention to himself as it is.

Either approach will be useless to Luft. He will defend Trump no matter how much truth you throw at him. I just enjoy watching how far Trumpkins will go to defend him.

What Truth? The only thing you've told me was a false accusation he's owned by Clinton.

I still agree with Trump on a lot of social issues and trust him more than Cruz. Also Trump can lead to further Nationalist politians, that's my main focus on this election.

Lol Luft, you just proved Derek's point for him! Hahahahaha.

But he hasn't given me anything to change my position on Trump, the only one who's clarified anything for me is you. Nem basically just says "What you disagree with me, are you autistic?"

I haven't seen any of you recommend a better candidate than Trump, and every time I mention how corrupt Cruz Nem goes quiet and changes the subject.

It's because you refuse to admit Trump has any faults. You have a defense for everything he has ever done. I couldn't change your mind using discussion on actual values and principles. Derek can't change your mind by pointing out how ridiculous Trump is. You come off as a Trump zombie.

Or as I like to call them, Trumpkins!

Trunpkins is what a 14 year old liberal girl on Tumblr would say not a grown up conservative.

I admit Trump has some faults. He dosen't speak clear, and his positions aren't concrete. He also has a troubling history with having sex before marriage and has supported Isreal most of his career. I also didn't like the Trump university scandal, nor that he isn't as conservative on social issues as I wish him to be.

I don't deny that he dosen't have any faults, what I have denied is that there's a better candidate. Since Rand Paul has left, Trump is the only good choice left.

Supporting Israel.... Is a bad thing?

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I don't support Isreal in the least bit.

I don't doubt it, people don't go from calling Hillary the best Sec of State ever and funding their presidential ambitions to running against them.

*"ground game"

Exactly

Implying the RNC would pick Ted Cruz and not John Kaisch

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The balloting is done by volunteer citizens from each State. You clearly don't understand the process. This wouldn't be Reince Priebus saying "Kasich is our nominee now!" This is people duly elected to represent their State at the convention and voting for whom they feel best represents the platform of the Party. It won't be Trump.

So Cruz proves he's anti- establishment and against the "Washington Cartel" by only winning the nomination because of the Establishment and the "Washington Cartel"?

More proof you don't understand the process.... I could be a delegate if I were so inclined. So could you. The delegates aren't comprised of John McCain, Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, et al. It's made up of people just like you and me.

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So he can buy out delegates even though Trump gets more votes, am I correct?

Well when the establishment is against Trump, I assume he's Anti- establishment... I don't know if you understand how that works.

Not at all. After the first ballot, all 2473 delegates become unbound and can cast a vote for whomever they wish. Not bought.

So 1000 people can vote for Trump, but 1 delegate in the area can say no your vote goes to Cruz?