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DerekWills April 4th, 2016 4:09pm

Trump has been crying that whomever has a plurality at the convention should win despite not having 1237. Analysis of the delegates say that he will lose support if it goes to a 2nd ballot. Will Trump cry and threaten a lawsuit if he loses delegates?

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joesoup
04/06/16 9:09 pm

It's not so much about trump as it is about the Republican Party , they would rather see Hilary win then let Trump have it no that's messed up

dlaw4570
04/05/16 5:31 am

Gee! Maybe you could explain it!

usaftw123 lolrektville
04/04/16 9:20 pm

I mean... At this point, barring he totally bombs, giving the nomination to someone else would look a little cheap.

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
04/04/16 3:44 pm

Yes, he will be a sore loser. But a loser nonetheless.

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dlaw4570
04/04/16 3:37 pm

Figuring the RNC will screw him anyway they can...why give in to them with pretend dignity? About like telling rape victims to keep quiet and pretend to enjoy it...

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DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
04/05/16 4:08 am

You clearly don't understand the process...

dlaw4570
04/05/16 5:32 am

Gee! Maybe you can explain it!

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
04/05/16 6:42 am

Depending on your State, details could vary slightly, but typically, when you vote, you're not voting for Donald Trump or Ted Cruz. You're voting for delegates who signed up way before the election as loyalists to those candidates. They are people just like you and me. You could be a delegate if you wanted to be. Per Party rules, you are required to cast the first ballot for the candidate you originally signed up to be loyal to. After the first ballot, those delegates become unbound and can vote for whoever they want. Being they are like you and me, their opinions can be changed throughout the process. If no one has 1237 after the first ballot, they can vote for who they want. It's not the RNC screwing Trump. It's Trump screwing himself by not staying true to his delegates. Now, the RNC CAN put up their own candidate and the senior guys CAN decide that this will be the nominee, but if that happens, you know as well as I do that there will be a revolt. That won't happen.

dlaw4570
04/05/16 7:13 am

Nothing new there. Would you agree the republican establishment has been trying to stop Trump? I think the RNC will continue to screw him anyway they can. Those delegates can change anytime they want, shouldn't but may. For the good of the GOP! RNC!

JDoe Its a gift
04/04/16 3:08 pm

It's going to be interesting to see what happens. He won't go quietly and he will do incredible damage to the GOP's chances in the general election. He's totally unelectable but his followers won't take a nominee that didn't earn the delegates that Trump did.

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MachoMatt84 Climbing Mountains
04/04/16 12:39 pm

He'll whine, cry, bitch, sham, and complain, jumping up and down like a 4 year old in the grocery store that desperately wants the brand name Cocoa Puffs and won't accept a substitute as long as he has breath in his lungs.

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suppressedID Happy Year of Tiger
04/04/16 10:54 am

The GOP elites ARE colluding against him....

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ronderman North Carolina
04/04/16 12:47 pm

True. What they are doing is within the rules though.

Of course, they make the rules.

susanr Colorado
04/04/16 10:49 am

Has Trump ever lost anything with dignity?

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susanr Colorado
04/04/16 11:09 am

Truly, it's always someone else's fault, or so he claims. Often followed by a threat to sue.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
04/04/16 12:18 pm

That's not true! Fox News has treated him very unfairly..... Haha!

ronderman North Carolina
04/04/16 12:48 pm

I don't think he has ever DONE anything with dignity.

ClayTownR California
04/04/16 10:27 am

The reason for this is because "whom" acts like "him." Therefore, when "he" is the subject in having the delegates, we use "who."

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
04/04/16 10:41 am

But isn't "whom" used following a preceding preposition? The same would carry over to "whomever" correct? Hence "for whomever they wish."

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
04/04/16 10:41 am

My first statement was redundant..... Remove "preceding" please.

susanr Colorado
04/04/16 11:07 am

It would be "whom" if it were the *object* of a preposition, but "that" isn't a preposition. I believe "that" is a subordinating conjunction in this sentence (but I'm not positive; @tlaney1 would indeed be able to help here). "Whomever has a plurality should win" is essentially a sentence in itself, with a subject and verb... The subject should be "who" rather than "whom."

Try making it into a quote & maybe the structure will be clearer. Like: "Trump has been crying, "Whoever has a plurality..." You certainly wouldn't use "Whomever" there. In your sentence, everything after "that" is a paraphrase of what Trump "has been crying."

Not sure that helps any...

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
04/04/16 11:28 am

True... Damn! It appears as if my grammar has been used improperly! This is something up with which I will not put!

susanr Colorado
04/04/16 11:32 am

Hahaha!

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
04/04/16 12:51 pm

Hi! I've been asleep! It's "whoever." Don't worry about the "that." You're saying, "Whoever has a plurality should get the nomination." Obviously, as the subject of this clause, you need "who," not "whom."

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DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
04/04/16 1:08 pm

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BamaGirl ROLL TIDE from Arizona
04/04/16 5:50 pm

Whoever is the correct choice, because it is the subject of the dependent clause.

I believe that is a nominative clause, but I am out of practice on that. @tlanely1 nominative or adjective?

BamaGirl ROLL TIDE from Arizona
04/04/16 5:53 pm

Susan, your assessment was correct! ๐Ÿ™‚

Laserbeam Crazy bird lady
04/04/16 10:14 am

In other words, the GOP has screwed itself. And speaking from the outside, it's absolutely hilarious!

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political Georgia
04/04/16 10:12 am

Liberals such as Trump and Kasich need to take a seat.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 10:14 am

Trump isn't a Liberal, but Kaisch is a cuck.

political Georgia
04/04/16 10:15 am

Okay sweetie

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
04/04/16 10:18 am

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Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 10:19 am

He pulls her stings, you got it backwards. He's also funded thousands to Cruz, something you always ignore.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
04/04/16 10:24 am

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Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 10:27 am

He's her puppet by getting buildings he wanted done by giving her money. Makes sense.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
04/04/16 12:26 pm

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Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 12:30 pm

I'd rather support the "Clinton Croney" than the "Sachs Sucker" named Cruz.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
04/04/16 12:51 pm

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Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 12:57 pm

Do you have any sources to back your claims? I know he donated but can you prove that was so she could win the presidental election, and not that he needed a couple permits to build a building?

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04/04/16 1:56 pm

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04/04/16 1:59 pm

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Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 2:41 pm

He's not a life long Democrat, stop saying that meme. He has a proven voting record of being Republican.

Second, can you tie any of this back to this election?

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
04/04/16 2:43 pm

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Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 2:44 pm

Also he never endorsed Clinton, or didn't say he was a life long Democrat.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
04/04/16 2:47 pm

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Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 2:53 pm

My hero? My hero is Andrew Jackson not Trump.

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04/04/16 4:51 pm

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augustin Oklahoma
04/04/16 9:49 am

Rightfully?
What's right about him breaking his promise to support the eventual nominee?

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 9:50 am

The fact where they screwed him out of a win despite having the most delegates.

The party is corrupt and no longer conservative. I wish to see it fall apart so real conservatives can have a party aging.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
04/04/16 9:50 am

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augustin Oklahoma
04/04/16 9:52 am

But he won't have the most delegates. He has delegates who are required to vote for him who don't actually support him. That's his fault for neglecting that crucial part of having a well-organized campaign.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 9:54 am

If you're thinking he's been a Hillary plant this whole time you should write for Infowars.

When the RNC openly admits it's their goal to stop Trump, and Ted Cruz commits voter fraud in Texas, I think it's only fair if he ran 3rd party.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
04/04/16 9:56 am

Voter fraud inTexas?!? ....... BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!! Maybe YOU should write for InfoWars! Hahahah! You're such a bafoon!

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
04/04/16 9:56 am

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Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 10:02 am

Ted Cruz did commit voter fraud: archive.is/iGImw

Also, Trump is losing fair and square by receiving more delegates and votes than the others but still has a chance of losing?

augustin Oklahoma
04/04/16 10:04 am

Because it takes a MAJORITY of delegates to win. Not a PLURALITY. Trump doesn't get to change the rules during the game just because he wants.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
04/04/16 10:05 am

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DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
04/04/16 10:06 am

Ummm.... There is literally nothing substantial in that three paragraph opinion piece......... Literally zero. "We have thousands of irregularities..." Show me. Oh, you can't? And so I'm supposed to believe you because......??

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 10:06 am

Oh so you can be the people's choice, and get all the votes but lose because of bought out delegates? Just another reason why the party should be destroyed.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 10:08 am

That's why you go on the links provided. I don't know if you knew sources had sources in them.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
04/04/16 10:09 am

I think you cry more than Trump does.....

augustin Oklahoma
04/04/16 10:09 am

He's not the people's choice.
The people's choice would win a majority. Trump is a very weak frontrunner when compared to past front runners. He has yet to win a majority of votes in ANY state so far. Even Cruz has done that. Multiple times.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 10:09 am

I don't, but you lie more than Cruz.

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04/04/16 10:11 am

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DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
04/04/16 10:11 am

There is only one link on that OpEd..... And it literally goes to a Trump SuperPAC.... But I thought he was self-funding?!?!

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 10:12 am

So if he's not the people's choice than how has he won more states, and delegates than Cruz?

augustin Oklahoma
04/04/16 10:13 am

Because for so long there were too many candidates in the race.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 10:13 am

The Superpac dosen't fund Trump in anyway.

I don't know if you know this but Trump unlike Cruz dosen't take bribes from corporations.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 10:14 am

If Cruz was the people's choice he should be in Trump's position right now.

augustin Oklahoma
04/04/16 10:15 am

I never said Cruz was the people's choice. The people haven't made a choice yet.

augustin Oklahoma
04/04/16 10:16 am

And they may not. If they don't, it becomes the delegates' choice per the party rules.

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04/04/16 10:17 am

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DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
04/04/16 10:17 am

Go take a civics class man! You are so politically retarded, it's sad. You don't understand the basic process by which candidates are chosen. You don't understand the rules established by the Parties. You really don't understand anything except Trump is gonna do it! He gon make 'Merica great again! You're just like the crazy blonde from that SNL skit....

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 10:19 am

I do understand how politics work just not corrupt ones.

augustin Oklahoma
04/04/16 10:21 am

So it's not corrupt that Trump has literally spent his entire career buying politicians from both parties? That is the definition of corruption.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
04/04/16 10:22 am

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Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 10:23 am

It's more corrupt that those politicans are allowed to run.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
04/04/16 10:23 am

This process isn't corrupt. It would be if Reince says "We're nominating Kasich!" But that's not what's going to happen. The delegates are very important to the process. It's important to put forth a candidate that the majority (not a plurality) of the people want. If there is no majority, then the delegates are burdened with casting a vote for whom they believe to best represent their congressional district or State. A LOT changes from Iowa to California, and a LOT changes people's minds. This is why our process is so important to be drawn out. Think about how long it took for Trump U and everything else to come out...

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 10:28 am

So these delegates who I don't even know get to decide who I want no matter who I voted for?

augustin Oklahoma
04/04/16 10:31 am

No, they don't decide who you want. Only you can decide that, lol.
Since the people failed to make a decision, the choice will be left up to the delegates, who are representatives from each of the states.

augustin Oklahoma
04/04/16 10:32 am

Delegates are voted for and selected during their state party convention. If you want to know them, go meet them there and get involved in the party in your state.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 10:33 am

So who selects the delegates since I'm supposedly to dumb to make my own decisions?

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
04/04/16 10:34 am

You do. When you cast a vote for Donald Trump, you're actually casting a vote for the delegates who at the time were loyal to Trump. As things go on, the delegates change their mind, but must vote for him on the 1st ballot. After that, they vote for whomever they wish.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 10:40 am

That sounds like an easily courrut process.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
04/04/16 10:57 am

How? Show your work. Don't just be a Trump.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 11:08 am

A delegate can just pretend they support Trump, and then just vote Cruz even though the majority wanted Trump.

augustin Oklahoma
04/04/16 11:11 am

That's why delegates are bound for a certain number of ballots. It only becomes an issue in an election like this year when no candidate will reach a majority.

augustin Oklahoma
04/04/16 11:13 am

If trump doesn't like it, maybe HE should have put in the work to unite the party behind him rather than insulting everyone in his sight. He would have enormous appeal if he was an actual conservative who had some class.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 11:23 am

Well he is an actual conservative and has a history of voting Republican.

augustin Oklahoma
04/04/16 11:28 am

Republican =/= conservative

Tell me an actual conservative principal that he has stood for without flip flopping.
Not an issue like immigration, where he takes a populist position. I'm concerned about his PRINCIPLES.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 11:38 am

He's always been against other countries beating us in trade, and has mainly voted conservative.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 11:41 am

Although I wouldn't even have identified as conservative 2 years ago, what matters now is my current positions.

augustin Oklahoma
04/04/16 11:45 am

Again, voting republican =/= being a conservative.
Trade wars are not conservative. The conservative principle is to promote the free market and leave the government out of it.

Try again.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 11:51 am

It's not free trade if we get ripped off from the deals, and it takes jobs from here. Outsourcing Jobs and companies isn't conservative.

How is voting Republican not conservative? The Republican party has been the conservative party for the last couple decades.

Also a conservative principal he has had is being strictly against environmental regulation.

He's also never supported Obama, and even led a smear campaign against him.

augustin Oklahoma
04/04/16 11:54 am

These are not principles you are spouting. A principle is used to form opinions on topics such as trade, environmental regulation, and immigration.
Trump is adopting populist positions.

Conservatism is about preserving freedom, limited government, and the rule of law. THOSE are principles.

augustin Oklahoma
04/04/16 11:56 am

The Republican Party has not been a Conservative party since Reagan left office. I think you have bought into a false definition of what conservatism is, but id be happy to explain it to you as long as we don't have to have arguments over Trump.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 12:01 pm

Reagan was granted amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants. How is that at all conservative?

augustin Oklahoma
04/04/16 12:07 pm

It wasn't, and Reagan wasn't a perfect conservative either, as nobody is. However, he is undoubtedly the most conservative president we've had in the last century.

His amnesty deal just shows what happens when you violate your principles in order to make a deal.

augustin Oklahoma
04/04/16 12:13 pm

The Reagan amnesty was a deal that would grant amnesty only if the border was secured. That is reasonable, but they never followed through on border security.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 12:14 pm

Would you consider NAFTA a Globalist idea?

augustin Oklahoma
04/04/16 12:20 pm

Not at all. NAFTA has its flaws, but I believe that markets should generally be free and lightly regulated. I'm not a protectionist and protectionism is not conservative.
If NAFTA were globalist, it would be a foreign body setting regulations WITHIN the United States, rather than just being a free trade agreement.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 12:21 pm

So he made a bad deal, and switched our demographics?

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 12:22 pm

I personally see the free trade with across borders as a bad thing, not a positive. The wages wouldn't be comparable.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
04/04/16 12:23 pm

Can we get out of the weeds? We are all aware of past our Presidents' flaws... Focus on your boy Trump.

augustin Oklahoma
04/04/16 12:23 pm

But to support protectionism is to give the government too much power to control the economy.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 12:26 pm

Derek he said we should avoid Trump now and talk about something else. I also like spamming your notification box.

augustin Oklahoma
04/04/16 12:27 pm

Derek, I think focusing on trump is the wrong approach. This election should be about spreading conservative views. Trump has been detrimental to that goal. Focusing on him only hurts conservatives. Trump brings enough negative attention to himself as it is.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
04/04/16 12:32 pm

Either approach will be useless to Luft. He will defend Trump no matter how much truth you throw at him. I just enjoy watching how far Trumpkins will go to defend him.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 12:35 pm

What Truth? The only thing you've told me was a false accusation he's owned by Clinton.

I still agree with Trump on a lot of social issues and trust him more than Cruz. Also Trump can lead to further Nationalist politians, that's my main focus on this election.

augustin Oklahoma
04/04/16 12:37 pm

Lol Luft, you just proved Derek's point for him! Hahahahaha.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 12:40 pm

But he hasn't given me anything to change my position on Trump, the only one who's clarified anything for me is you. Nem basically just says "What you disagree with me, are you autistic?"

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 12:42 pm

I haven't seen any of you recommend a better candidate than Trump, and every time I mention how corrupt Cruz Nem goes quiet and changes the subject.

augustin Oklahoma
04/04/16 12:45 pm

It's because you refuse to admit Trump has any faults. You have a defense for everything he has ever done. I couldn't change your mind using discussion on actual values and principles. Derek can't change your mind by pointing out how ridiculous Trump is. You come off as a Trump zombie.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
04/04/16 12:46 pm

Or as I like to call them, Trumpkins!

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 1:02 pm

Trunpkins is what a 14 year old liberal girl on Tumblr would say not a grown up conservative.

I admit Trump has some faults. He dosen't speak clear, and his positions aren't concrete. He also has a troubling history with having sex before marriage and has supported Isreal most of his career. I also didn't like the Trump university scandal, nor that he isn't as conservative on social issues as I wish him to be.

I don't deny that he dosen't have any faults, what I have denied is that there's a better candidate. Since Rand Paul has left, Trump is the only good choice left.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
04/04/16 2:06 pm

Supporting Israel.... Is a bad thing?

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04/04/16 2:22 pm

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Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 2:39 pm

I don't support Isreal in the least bit.

MrMilkdud
04/04/16 9:24 am

He'll run 3rd party, split the vote, and guarantee Hillary a win. I'm starting to believe that was the plan all along.

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MJSeals Esq.
04/04/16 9:25 am

I don't doubt it, people don't go from calling Hillary the best Sec of State ever and funding their presidential ambitions to running against them.

MJSeals Esq.
04/04/16 9:24 am

The sooner this guy gets out of the party, no matter how, the better.

augustin Oklahoma
04/04/16 9:20 am

He's going to claim they stole the nomination from him and he'll run as an independent even though he will have lost fair and square. Fail to reach 1237 = you lose. When that happens, the process that has been in place since 1856 takes over. Trump neglected the grassroots/@ground game" part of campaigning, and it will hurt him big time.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
04/04/16 9:16 am

I can hear it now...

"The RNC has treated me very very unfairly! I was fantastic and won so many delegate! We won a lot of delegate! More than anyone else, including that Lyin' Ted Cruz! And what does he do? He steals my delegates after the first vote! Megyn Kelly is bleeding and Lyin' Ted stole what was mine! I won Louisiana by a fantastic margin and Lyin' Ted won more delegates than I did! How stupid are the people of Louisiana?! I am going to sue Lyin' Ted, the RNC, the State of Louisiana, Fox News, and I'm going to make Mexico pay for it!"

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Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 9:49 am

Implying the RNC would pick Ted Cruz and not John Kaisch

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
04/04/16 9:51 am

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DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
04/04/16 9:58 am

The balloting is done by volunteer citizens from each State. You clearly don't understand the process. This wouldn't be Reince Priebus saying "Kasich is our nominee now!" This is people duly elected to represent their State at the convention and voting for whom they feel best represents the platform of the Party. It won't be Trump.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 10:00 am

So Cruz proves he's anti- establishment and against the "Washington Cartel" by only winning the nomination because of the Establishment and the "Washington Cartel"?

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
04/04/16 10:03 am

More proof you don't understand the process.... I could be a delegate if I were so inclined. So could you. The delegates aren't comprised of John McCain, Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, et al. It's made up of people just like you and me.

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04/04/16 10:04 am

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Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 10:05 am

So he can buy out delegates even though Trump gets more votes, am I correct?

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 10:07 am

Well when the establishment is against Trump, I assume he's Anti- establishment... I don't know if you understand how that works.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
04/04/16 10:08 am

Not at all. After the first ballot, all 2473 delegates become unbound and can cast a vote for whomever they wish. Not bought.

Luftwaffe South of Heaven
04/04/16 10:09 am

So 1000 people can vote for Trump, but 1 delegate in the area can say no your vote goes to Cruz?