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I hope you're trolling.

No, vaccines do not "have real babies" in them. They don't even contain cells from "real babies" as you also state above.

Vaccines contain weakened virus or dead viral parts. To produce multiple copies of a virus, it has to be grown in some medium, and in the case of human viruses this sometimes means they are grown *in* compatible cells. *Human* cells. It's not very easy to get human cells to grow for very long in culture, except for a few kinds. Human fetal cells sometimes have that property.

Does this mean that "real babies" or even aborted fetal tissue are harvested all the time for growing vaccines? NO.

There are two cell lines - cells that have been in culture for *years*, dividing and dividing and dividing, so there are lots of them - that are used in producing some vaccines.

These cell lines contain the DNA.
Look up HEK cells and vaccines. The shingles vaccine, rubella part of the MMR (measles, mumps, and rubella), and the rabies vaccine have these in it. Merck and related companies sell these vaccines to clinics anyway.

One of those cell lines, WI-38, was derived from a 3-month fetus from a therapeutic abortion in 1962. The other, MRC-5, came from a 14-week fetus aborted in the UK in 1966. Both abortions would have been done regardless of any further use of the fetal tissue; it was simply used instead of being discarded, and the derived cell lines have been used a bazillion times since then.

There may be extremely small amounts of DNA from the cells in some vaccines; they are not an integral part of the vaccine. And a FAR cry from the statement that vaccines contain human cells. Much less "real babies."

And there is NO proven connection between autism and vaccines. NONE.

In fact, it is now known that autism begins earlier than when vaccines are even given, further showing that there is no link at all.

It was still the results of an abortion. The baby wasn't considered when they donated it's body which is wrong. Profit was on the scientists minds, not life.

I'm aware of HEK-293 cells; they are widely used in research. (I used them once myself; not for anything related to vaccines, though; it was cancer research.) They were derived in the Netherlands in 1973, from a fetus that was legally aborted.

I agree the use of aborted cells for anything is just abominable. Just sick.

If you think that profit is what drive scientists like Leonard Hayflick (I believe he was responsible for both cell lines I initially described above), you're quite wrong. He has made enormous contributions to many areas of human biology and medicine. He was born in 1928 and is still a professor of anatomy. I don't know if he has ever profited financially from any of his discoveries, but if he has, it was well deserved.

I invite you to learn more about this man in particular, and reconsider the accusation that profit was what was on his mind: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Hayflick

Also consider that vaccine production has never been a very profitable industry, anyway, even for the scientists in that business.

It wasn't him who developed those cell lines, it was Alex van der Ebb I believe.

WI-38 was developed by him though. He needs to take the WI-38 lung fibroblasts cells off the market

Van der Eb cultured the HEK 293 cells; they were transformed (modified so they would continue to grow in culture) by a graduate student in his lab. I was referring to the previous 2 cell lines I mentioned, regarding Hayflick.

I know nothing about either Van der Eb's or the other man's life. But I can tell you almost for sure from many years of personal experience in medical research that the kind of work they were doing was experimental basic research, and dollar signs were not predominant in their minds as they worked.

Ok, I read that there is a casual relationship that needs more investigating, between the use of fungicides and autism. This is a much more likely, yet unproven, candidate. Put your energy into looking for the real cause is my advice.

What would make a person use an innocent life for a vaccine. The end does not justify the means.

Abortion is *legal.* Use of fetal tissue to save lives is better than discarding it.

I can understand not *wanting* abortion to be legal, but as long as it is, and as long as abortion is never done for research purposes (it simply isn't), it is *legal* to use fetal tissue for research.

Your complaint is about *abortion.* Work on changing *that.*

These were well-to-do white people who live in good neighborhoods and eat organic food. These were nanny state liberals who didn't want a "poison" injected into their kids. Go do some research on it and you'll find the articles that were published about it in timeframe.

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Thank you😄

Omg so true...but I keep trying🤓

...and sometimes "facts" are only disguised as such.

Mark Twain said there are statistics and damned statistics. It pays to be educated in math because they are so slippery, if you get what I mean.

Mandatory for maybe school or even job attendance, but other than that, no.

We prosecuted the Nazis at Nuremberg for for forcibly injecting prisoners......

I know some are to go to school in my county.

So schools that require vaccinations are now Nazis?

No....you don't have to send your kids to a public school....(you'd be doing them a favor)....its when you make the jump to mandatory vaccination( by using the police power of government) that you become a Nazi

Gotcha.

"Anti-vaxxers are ridiculous."

Yes.

"Vaccines should be mandatory."

No.

...because of age *or compromised immunity...

And Jenny McCarthy