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Luftwaffe April 3rd, 2016 4:27am

"The purpose of Science is to explain why you live, whilst the purpose of religion is to give a guideline on how to live it."

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Odysseus We All Need A Fantasy
04/03/16 3:32 am

Disagree, The purpose of science is a perpetual quest for knowledge. The purpose of religion is to perpetuate itself.

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Luftwaffe Libs are the intolerant
04/03/16 9:37 am

That quest for knowledge is to answer why your here, not how I should live my life. Science dosen't give an answer for that.

ClayTownR California
04/02/16 11:25 pm

People can be moral with or without religion.

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TheMobius Siberian Gulag
04/03/16 12:10 am

They have not source for morality, they cannot logically think they are acting moral

PrinceOberyn Io Himeros
04/02/16 10:55 pm

In its modern context, that's all it is and all it should be. Religion, however, was originally conceptualized to explain a universe that primitive societies didn't understand.

PrinceOberyn Io Himeros
04/02/16 10:57 pm

This is one of the many reasons I don't shackle myself to religious morality, given that many of its 'morals' are archaic and/or horrifically barbaric.

sydwel
04/02/16 9:57 pm

Disagree. Most religious texts have elements so horrifying or absurd, I would never want to base my life around a religion.

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sydwel
04/02/16 9:59 pm

It's not a guideline for *me*.

sydwel
04/02/16 9:59 pm

Abrahamic religions.

Luftwaffe Libs are the intolerant
04/02/16 9:59 pm

"Most religious texts"
Please enlightened me on which religions you're reffering to? If you're painting them all the same color than please read more "religious texts".

Luftwaffe Libs are the intolerant
04/02/16 10:00 pm

3 religions out of over 2,000. Therfore they're all bad?

sydwel
04/02/16 10:03 pm

They are major religions. That matters. I'm a nonbeliever anyway, so of course I don't find inherent value in religion. Some have positive elements of course, but I'd never use one as the guide on how to live my life.

Luftwaffe Libs are the intolerant
04/02/16 10:06 pm

Why not? There's thousands to choose from.

sydwel
04/02/16 10:09 pm

No need. I can have strong values and be a compassionate human being without having some belief in the supernatural.

Luftwaffe Libs are the intolerant
04/02/16 10:14 pm

You don't necessarily have to believe in a higher order to follow a religion. Guidelines in European Paganism for example puts man as the highest order. The god's are metaphorical for human emotions, and what they can be. At least in Odinism, very symbolic. It's confusing at first put when you study it it makes perfect sense.

TheMobius Siberian Gulag
04/03/16 12:11 am

You cannot call yourself compassionate or moral if you dont believe in morality

sydwel
04/03/16 1:58 am

I have strong values and a sense of morality. It's simply not that of any given religion.

TheMobius Siberian Gulag
04/03/16 9:49 am

Ok give me a valid nonreligious source of morality

sydwel
04/03/16 9:58 am

Modern humanism- secular focus on reason, compassion, etc.

Luftwaffe Libs are the intolerant
04/03/16 10:01 am

Do you know where a lot of those Humanist ideas of reason came from?

sydwel
04/03/16 10:08 am

From recognition that one can and should be good without God.

Luftwaffe Libs are the intolerant
04/03/16 10:16 am

No, Humanist ideals were influenced from Christianity, philosophy, and past European Paganism.

The Renaissance "Rebirth" is Humanist ideals became popular agian. People went back to past European traditions, whilst trying to reform Christianity.

Where Christianity played in the mix is that all Humans are equal in the eyes of God and should be taken care of by other on Earth. I will admit Paganism teaches Survival of the fittest thus why their societies survived Persian raids, etc

A lot of Renaissance artwork and ideas came from European Paganism and past from former European philosophers. If you're talking about a time period where people left religion than you're talking about the enlightenment, which I really dislike to a degree.

Luftwaffe Libs are the intolerant
04/03/16 10:18 am

But still the Enlightenment reasoning was influenced by the Renaissance, the Renaissance reasoning influenced by religions. You follow their moarls without realizing it.

sydwel
04/03/16 10:21 am

Renaissance period humanism is not the same. And of course things are influenced by religion and its historical presence. But I'm not sure why you believe those who write religious texts are more qualified thinkers than secular philosophers or those who challenge those religious beliefs. Religion is not needed to be -and can even prevent one from being- a good, ethical person.

Luftwaffe Libs are the intolerant
04/03/16 10:24 am

I'm not arguing that you should have one, that's Mobius. I'm just wondering why you don't have one and wanted to see your reasoning.

Although I will admit it's a moarl duty of mine to inform others of my religion, with hopes of finding more followers.

TheMobius Siberian Gulag
04/03/16 11:22 am

Modern humanism isnt a moral source. It comes from the human mind. Its basically saying "X is true because i think it is". Try again

Yankeemike Sell the Knicks Dolan
04/02/16 9:49 pm

Disagree, At least for me. For some religion is a guideline how to live. But as an atheist I don't need religion how to tell me live.

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Praetorianus Fair enough.
04/02/16 9:57 pm

The purpose of religion is being a guideline. It doesn't have to be correct, but yes, it's a guideline.

Yankeemike Sell the Knicks Dolan
04/02/16 10:07 pm

First I would like to argue morals don't come from religion "Thou shall not kill" did not just magically convince everyone it was bad to kill.

Second my morals are based of how my actions affect people. If someone is harmed, then it is something bad. It's based of the effects of my actions. You do not need religion to have morals

Luftwaffe Libs are the intolerant
04/02/16 10:11 pm

Moarls did come from religion, man didn't start off civilization atheist. A guideline from someone's beliefs or society's beliefs told you at a wrong age what you're doing is wrong.

Yankeemike Sell the Knicks Dolan
04/02/16 10:13 pm

Morals existed before religion. Existing Morals shaped the Morals listed by religions.

Luftwaffe Libs are the intolerant
04/02/16 10:17 pm

Religion put together the moarls and formed a guideline for life, thus the point of the poll.

The poll wasn't asking if it was necessary for you to follow it, but if the existence of religion is to form a guideline whilst science explains why you're alive.

Yankeemike Sell the Knicks Dolan
04/02/16 10:21 pm

Well religion tries to explain it as well.

Luftwaffe Libs are the intolerant
04/02/16 9:40 pm

The independent vote really dosen't agree with the quote. It is as if the majority of them are Liberal Atheists...

Republican716 Idaho
04/02/16 9:28 pm

It's technically true haha agreed %100 my friend

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