This isn't a place for the thin skinned. For the record, I don't know how anyone can argue that an unborn child is not a child. I understand our cultural willingness to murder, it's just so much more convenient, but I don't get the disingenuous insistence that a child in a womb is not a child.
Two rowboats are sinking 50 yards from shore. One has a six year old boy yelling, "Please help me, I don't want to drown!" The other boat has a crying newborn. You can save one but not both. What do you do?
How is that compassion? I realize it's a bit of a Sophie's Choice question but circumstances like that happen. Im horrified to let the newborn die but I'm saving the kid who is developed enough to call for help.
And you find this to be some kind of insightful reasoning? You do realize that nobody gets hurt in a hypothetical situation, don't you? Here's one for you. There's an unborn child in a woman's womb. Do you kill it?
Like I pointed out earlier. You condone killing unborn children - and letting infants drown apparently - you just can't tell the truth about it. I understand that position. It's easier for you and your conscience. Unfortunately, this makes me question your character and your credibility. How can we debate if you can't be honest?
So I assume the death penalty and hunting for sport is fine with you. Yeah, don't even don't. I know your talking points. No, I don't offer the same rights to a cumulation of cells as I do a person. Not even close.
Wow, closed minded much?
I don't have "talking points," but if I did I would make sure they were honest and consistent. We were discussing abortion. Why do you keep changing the subject?
This is obviously a complex issue that is difficult to debate through social media so I'm doing the best I can. I don't assign the same value to an embryo than I do to an independent human being. My newborn analogy was flawed, but just the same, I value that newborn's older sibling on a higher scale. I don't know if you're a pet owner but if you were, would you sacrifice your pet to prevent a woman from aborting?
Another strange tangent, but i will bite. I have two dogs, and if in some unimaginable, otherworldly circumstance I could save a human child - even one in an embryonic stage - by sacrificing one, or both, I surely would.
BTW, you seem to be saying that you have no problem with taking the life of a human as long as it is dependent. Does that go for the physically and mentally disabled and the elderly as well as children? I think you are just trying to justify a "progressive" stance. It really doesn't fly.
Do you really think I want innocent human life destroyed? Of course not. That's exactly why abortion is and will remain legal. It allows young, ill prepared women to be saved by not bringing a child into their lives whom they are unable to care for. They would otherwise both lose.
Exactly, our society accepts the killing of unborn children because it is more convenient. I understand that. That's where the debate should begin, not with the ignorant notion that they are not human. That was my only point this afternoon. I'm glad we agree. Now maybe we can make it less frequent because, frankly, it's a disgusting practice.
Since the collection of cells isn't a baby, is it okay for the mother to drink, smoke, and/or use legal drugs that would harm the fetus were it to become a baby?
One argument I can't ever wrap my head around. If a pregnant woman were to be murdered, the murderer would be charged with 2 deaths. The law seems to think that it's only murder if the mother didn't get an abortion? So logically, the baby is only a baby if the mother decides it is. So women have some powerful God-like power to create children by wishing it so.
Cells, right, we are all cells. Nobody needs the biology lesson. You just can't bring yourself to admit that you enthusiastically support the killing of children because you believe it serves some greater societal good. I get it, but your righteousness relies on a lie you tell yourself. Please join us in scientific reality and begin the abortion debate with a measure of integrity.
All of a sudden you're interested in science. What about global warming? What about evolution? You're so willing to protect the lives of a conglomeration of microscopic cells buy eager to execute.
I'm willing to agree to disagree, and I believe you know why we can't get any more out of this. So, do you believe a male who identifies as female is female?
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