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lcamino on the move
04/02/16 2:18 pm

Beautiful picture of the baby on the left 😊

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Idahologger up north
04/02/16 1:24 pm

Typical liberal, you aren't in grade school anymore

LibArtie SW Connecticut
04/02/16 12:55 pm

A fetus is not a person.

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Idahologger up north
04/02/16 1:12 pm

You're disgusting

LibArtie SW Connecticut
04/02/16 1:13 pm

You're blocked.

LibArtie SW Connecticut
04/02/16 1:29 pm

I meant ignored but I changed my mind.

nib
04/02/16 1:35 pm

This isn't a place for the thin skinned. For the record, I don't know how anyone can argue that an unborn child is not a child. I understand our cultural willingness to murder, it's just so much more convenient, but I don't get the disingenuous insistence that a child in a womb is not a child.

LibArtie SW Connecticut
04/02/16 1:39 pm

Two rowboats are sinking 50 yards from shore. One has a six year old boy yelling, "Please help me, I don't want to drown!" The other boat has a crying newborn. You can save one but not both. What do you do?

nib
04/02/16 1:42 pm

What if I don't save either?

nib
04/02/16 1:45 pm

How many people die if I just sit there drinking a margarita?

LibArtie SW Connecticut
04/02/16 1:45 pm

How is that compassion? I realize it's a bit of a Sophie's Choice question but circumstances like that happen. Im horrified to let the newborn die but I'm saving the kid who is developed enough to call for help.

nib
04/02/16 2:08 pm

And you find this to be some kind of insightful reasoning? You do realize that nobody gets hurt in a hypothetical situation, don't you? Here's one for you. There's an unborn child in a woman's womb. Do you kill it?

LibArtie SW Connecticut
04/02/16 2:12 pm

Also, there's no such thing as an unborn baby. It's called an embryo

nib
04/02/16 2:15 pm

Is it a human embryo?

nib
04/02/16 2:24 pm

Like I pointed out earlier. You condone killing unborn children - and letting infants drown apparently - you just can't tell the truth about it. I understand that position. It's easier for you and your conscience. Unfortunately, this makes me question your character and your credibility. How can we debate if you can't be honest?

LibArtie SW Connecticut
04/02/16 2:35 pm

So I assume the death penalty and hunting for sport is fine with you. Yeah, don't even don't. I know your talking points. No, I don't offer the same rights to a cumulation of cells as I do a person. Not even close.

nib
04/02/16 2:52 pm

Wow, closed minded much?
I don't have "talking points," but if I did I would make sure they were honest and consistent. We were discussing abortion. Why do you keep changing the subject?

nib
04/02/16 2:53 pm

Is not every human a "cumulation of cells"?

nib
04/02/16 2:55 pm

And why are you the arbiter of rights?

LibArtie SW Connecticut
04/02/16 3:01 pm

This is obviously a complex issue that is difficult to debate through social media so I'm doing the best I can. I don't assign the same value to an embryo than I do to an independent human being. My newborn analogy was flawed, but just the same, I value that newborn's older sibling on a higher scale. I don't know if you're a pet owner but if you were, would you sacrifice your pet to prevent a woman from aborting?

nib
04/02/16 3:14 pm

Another strange tangent, but i will bite. I have two dogs, and if in some unimaginable, otherworldly circumstance I could save a human child - even one in an embryonic stage - by sacrificing one, or both, I surely would.

LibArtie SW Connecticut
04/02/16 3:24 pm

I'm surprised by your answer but I applaud your conviction. My conviction is equal to yours.

nib
04/02/16 3:26 pm

BTW, you seem to be saying that you have no problem with taking the life of a human as long as it is dependent. Does that go for the physically and mentally disabled and the elderly as well as children? I think you are just trying to justify a "progressive" stance. It really doesn't fly.

LibArtie SW Connecticut
04/02/16 3:32 pm

Do you really think I want innocent human life destroyed? Of course not. That's exactly why abortion is and will remain legal. It allows young, ill prepared women to be saved by not bringing a child into their lives whom they are unable to care for. They would otherwise both lose.

nib
04/02/16 3:42 pm

Exactly, our society accepts the killing of unborn children because it is more convenient. I understand that. That's where the debate should begin, not with the ignorant notion that they are not human. That was my only point this afternoon. I'm glad we agree. Now maybe we can make it less frequent because, frankly, it's a disgusting practice.

Cruz2016 Rum Bum Beach City
04/03/16 5:48 pm

Since the collection of cells isn't a baby, is it okay for the mother to drink, smoke, and/or use legal drugs that would harm the fetus were it to become a baby?

LibArtie SW Connecticut
04/03/16 5:51 pm

It's irresponsible but her choice.

Cruz2016 Rum Bum Beach City
04/03/16 5:53 pm

One argument I can't ever wrap my head around. If a pregnant woman were to be murdered, the murderer would be charged with 2 deaths. The law seems to think that it's only murder if the mother didn't get an abortion? So logically, the baby is only a baby if the mother decides it is. So women have some powerful God-like power to create children by wishing it so.

LibArtie SW Connecticut
04/03/16 5:53 pm

There is no such thing as an unborn child. The term is embryo.

Cruz2016 Rum Bum Beach City
04/03/16 5:54 pm

Why is it irresponsible? It's a parasitic collection of cells.

LibArtie SW Connecticut
04/03/16 5:58 pm

I don't know where to begin. Help me out. What is your argument?

Cruz2016 Rum Bum Beach City
04/03/16 6:01 pm

If the mother to be isn't responsible for protecting the life of another tiny human to be. Then why is it irresponsible for her to live how she likes?

LibArtie SW Connecticut
04/03/16 6:05 pm

Because if she wants to bring a child into the world, she ought to protect it.

Cruz2016 Rum Bum Beach City
04/03/16 6:07 pm

But is it a child or a embryonic collection of cells?

nib
04/03/16 6:08 pm

Exactly, the mother must protect the child from the start - because it is a child, or an embryo as you prefer, same thing.

Cruz2016 Rum Bum Beach City
04/03/16 6:11 pm

By your own logic, it's not irresponsible. Yet you stated it was.

LibArtie SW Connecticut
04/03/16 6:16 pm

I don't understand your logic and probably never will. But I appreciate the discussion, and especially that it has been respectful.

nib
04/03/16 6:18 pm

Cells, right, we are all cells. Nobody needs the biology lesson. You just can't bring yourself to admit that you enthusiastically support the killing of children because you believe it serves some greater societal good. I get it, but your righteousness relies on a lie you tell yourself. Please join us in scientific reality and begin the abortion debate with a measure of integrity.

nib
04/03/16 6:19 pm

With all due respect

LibArtie SW Connecticut
04/03/16 6:23 pm

Yes, I support murdering children. You're bleeping delusional.

Cruz2016 Rum Bum Beach City
04/03/16 6:25 pm

How do you not understand your own logic?

nib
04/03/16 6:25 pm

Wrong again. A human embryo, by definition, is an unborn child. You refuse to admit that.

LibArtie SW Connecticut
04/03/16 6:29 pm

All of a sudden you're interested in science. What about global warming? What about evolution? You're so willing to protect the lives of a conglomeration of microscopic cells buy eager to execute.

Cruz2016 Rum Bum Beach City
04/03/16 6:34 pm

Don't change the subject plz. I used your own logic and you don't seem to understand it. If you don't understand then how am I supposed to?

nib
04/03/16 6:37 pm

Again we change the subject. Why is that?

LibArtie SW Connecticut
04/03/16 6:41 pm

OK, let's stay on the subject. What more is there to explore?

nib
04/03/16 6:47 pm

I'm willing to agree to disagree, and I believe you know why we can't get any more out of this. So, do you believe a male who identifies as female is female?

Cruz2016 Rum Bum Beach City
04/03/16 6:48 pm

1. If it's not a baby, then why is the mother being irresponsible?

2. How do you not understand your own logic

3. Why does the decision of the mother decide if the collection of cells is a baby or not

nib
04/03/16 6:50 pm

Cruz dude, LibArtie cannot make that admission. That would force him recognize that there might be room for another legitimate opinion about abortion.

nib
04/03/16 6:53 pm

Well done. There is such a thing as too crazy.

Cruz2016 Rum Bum Beach City
04/03/16 6:56 pm

I'm a little confused, sry. Can you plz answer with the question numbers? Capt Morgan has been spending some time with me tonight.... 🍻

LibArtie SW Connecticut
04/03/16 6:59 pm

Yes. Transvestites cross my liberal line.

nib
04/03/16 7:09 pm

Oh, I don't begrudge the transvestite the right to peaceably transvest. Whatever floats your boat. I reject the gender by identification notions.