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firefly5 April 2nd, 2016 7:07pm

Science Friday (3/3): A relatively common component of many artificial flavorings is MSG. Once thought to be harmless, MSG has been linked with heart palpitations, high blood pressure, and certain cancers of the upper digestive tract.

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TheSocialist INTJ
04/03/16 4:05 pm

Ha, I was right. All these hippies try to make us think unnatural is bad.

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firefly5 the verse
04/03/16 11:10 pm

A lot of "natural" foods are actually more dangerous than their lab-made counterparts. We can control impurities in the lab. Nature isn't quite as thorough.

Rosebud Ohio
04/02/16 6:45 pm

Throw the cancer aside. Simply from high sodium content couldn't it be related to the first two?

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firefly5 the verse
04/03/16 11:08 pm

Yes, but per molecule, it's as much sodium as in table salt.

Rosebud Ohio
04/04/16 6:43 am

So it's more of an issue for people with high blood pressure problems then? People like my Dad, who has to watch his salt intake.

firefly5 the verse
04/04/16 7:29 am

I'm afraid so. I don't know if it's used in greater quantities or something, but chemically, it's nothing special.

Rosebud Ohio
04/04/16 7:53 am

Always good to know though.

auntiesamm Orange County CA
04/02/16 4:45 pm

MSG contributes to migraines.

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firefly5 the verse
04/03/16 1:29 pm

No link has been found, I'm afraid.

BamaGirl ROLL TIDE from Arizona
04/02/16 4:30 pm

Yes & no...it is in many flavorings & some people do have adverse reactions to it, but to my knowledge it is not linked to cancer.

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
04/02/16 2:40 pm

I got this one right 8)

thanks for the informative discussion. Now what are your thoughts on HFCS?

firefly5 the verse
04/03/16 1:31 pm

It's something i/we try to avoid.

rons on top of the world MA
04/02/16 1:22 pm

Years ago a friend worked in a bio lab. Said MSG breaks down protein and you have a lot of it.

fredd TrumpLand
04/02/16 12:50 pm

I think it's the opposite. MSG has been accused of many things, but studies generally suggest that it's perfectly safe.

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susanr Colorado
04/02/16 12:16 pm

False. No link between MSG and "Chinese Restaurant Syndrome" has ever been established, let alone a link to cancer - to the best of my knowledge, anyway.

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MJSeals Legal Eagle soon
04/02/16 12:30 pm

Go to NY and say that. You'll get very odd looks, especially from rag fans.

Laserbeam Crazy bird lady
04/02/16 12:32 pm

Oh, Madison square garden. Lol. I've never been to NYC as you can tell.

MJSeals Legal Eagle soon
04/02/16 12:32 pm

Madison Square Garden - MSG

It's also the name of the channel at airs Isles/Rags/Devils games

Laserbeam Crazy bird lady
04/02/16 12:35 pm

Islanders games air on the Madison square garden network? That's gotta be a bit of a middle finger to you guys lol

MJSeals Legal Eagle soon
04/02/16 12:38 pm

They have MSG, MSG1, MSG2, MSG+. All they do is air either the current hockey games, or Knicks games. Occasionally Knicks, ranger highlights and classics

firefly5 the verse
04/02/16 12:07 pm

Here are a couple of great click-bait type lines: "A silent killer that’s worse than alcohol, nicotine, and drugs is likely lurking in your kitchen cabinets and even your child’s school cafeteria."
"Fortunately, women who are unable to breastfeed can make an extremely nutritious, MSG-free infant formula for their baby using raw milk."
"MSG is an excitotoxin in the brain, meaning that it over stimulates the brain causing the production of excessive amounts of dopamine. This creates a drug-like rush that provides a brief sensation of well being. It is highly addictive, causing its consumers to keep coming back for more and end up overeating. In the process, brain cells are destroyed!!"

firefly5 the verse
04/02/16 12:08 pm

Yes, MSG is a relatively common componen of may artificial flavorings. But it hasn't been definitively linked with any oft-cited "MSG symptom:" headache, flushing, numbness, heart palpitations, chest pain, or nausea. As is true for every other food, drink, or chemical of any nature, there are people who have allergic reactions to MSG. Moreover, if you were so inclined, you could find as many websites as you like, swearing to the dangers of MSG.

firefly5 the verse
04/02/16 12:08 pm

Did you catch the double exclamation points there? That's surely a sign of scientific rigor, right? A little-known fact: the authenticity of a claim made online is directly proportional to the number of exclamation points that follows it!!!!!!
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Must be true.

firefly5 the verse
04/02/16 12:08 pm

The misconception about this comes from two different publications. The first was a letter published in the 1960s, in which a doctor reported that he experienced symptoms like an allergic reaction whenever he ate at a Chinese restaurant. The second publication was of a study performed by a neuroscientist. In this study, one John Olney injected MSG into mice, and found many adverse effects. The difficulty with linking this to human subjects, of course, is that we don't generally consume MSG by injecting it. Further, the doses that Olney administered to these mice, were doeses that were proportionally appropriate for horses. Mice are smaller than horses (citation needed), so a horse-sized dose of *anything* was likely to mess a mouse up pretty badly. The moral of the story is, take your information with a grain of salt.
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firefly5 the verse
04/02/16 12:08 pm

MSG stands for monosodium glutamate, which has two parts: a sodium ion, and a glutamate ion. Sodium is definitely common enough for most everyone to realize its effects. Excessive sodium intake is bad, yes, but the sodium part of MSG is no MSG stands for monosodium glutamate, which has two parts: a sodium ion, and a glutamate ion. Sodium is definitely common enough for most everyone to realize its effects. Excessive sodium intake is bad, yes, but the sodium part of MSG is no different than the sodium part of table salt, so there's nothing demonic about that. As for glutamate... let's make it sound a little more scary. Glutamate is what's left over when glutamic acid is in an environment with a pH of more than (as in, less acidic than) 4.1 (which is a little less acidic than acetic acid, the acid prevalent in vinegar). This means that glutamate is the form of acetic acid that would be present in the body. Is this scary yet?

firefly5 the verse
04/02/16 12:09 pm

Let's take it one step further. Glutamic acid is a naturally occurring amino acid, AKA a building block of proteins. Our bodies naturally produce glutamate/glutamic acid, literally all the time. Neither sodium nor glutamate (nor the combination thereof) is particularly dangerous to those without a very specific, very rare allergy.

Wert A picture of my Tit
04/02/16 12:59 pm

I've read a while back that the effects that some people experience and attribute to MSG may actually be a sensitivity to soy products. Oriental foods are often blamed for having high MSG content, but also have a lot of soy as a common component.

MrMilkdud Pref pronouns Thou Thee
04/02/16 1:33 pm

"Citation needed"
Lol

Wert A picture of my Tit
04/02/16 4:08 pm

I don't recall where I read it. Just that I read it. Not saying it's true. Just something I read.

MrMilkdud Pref pronouns Thou Thee
04/02/16 4:10 pm

No, I wasn't doubting what you said at all. I saw the same thing.
my comment was about firefly' very funny comment about the size of a mouse vs the size of a horse a few posts up.

firefly5 the verse
04/02/16 4:11 pm

@MrMilkDud I thought you might like that.

swervin Maryland
04/02/16 5:03 pm

I've seen some really big mice and some really small horses, so it depends on which of which they were using. :)

firefly5 the verse
04/03/16 11:11 pm

Would you go so far as to classify them as R.O.U.S.es?