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rynefrompf December 18th, 2015 1:32am

America needs a revolutionary transformation (a "new Republic") in which our political democracy shall become far more participatory, our economy made to serve the public good, and our Constitution significantly amended to reflect these changes.

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Brandon2018 Stocks Are Overvalued
12/22/15 10:26 am

As long as you dont change the first ten amendments, I'm happy.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
12/18/15 2:28 pm

Yes but *democracy* - a true/strong *republic*. We've become more of a democracy over last 100 years or so & less of a true Republic... from whence too many problems flower.

www.diffen.com/difference/Democracy_vs_Republic

www.lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html

www.1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/repvsdem.htm

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
12/18/15 2:35 pm

Biggest problem in U.S. today? Too fee understand there *is* a difference, what that difference is & why a Republic is superior for each individual over democracy. A *lot* of current problems would be resolved "overnight" if WeThePeople demanded reinstatement of our Republic on every level/issue.

stoner38
12/18/15 9:58 am

Have to get money out of politics first

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rynefrompf Kingsport, TN
12/17/15 8:04 pm

I've seen too much data with participatory budgeting and other citizen participation schemes to really think otherwise. A lot of academics like to talk about their fear of majoritarian rule, but when you are in a position of privilege and can rest assured that very indirectly controlled, centralized institutions will protect your rights and your way of life, then obviously, you're going to fear the majority that doesn't have the ability to secure its own liberty. The aim ought to be to create new institutions that protect our rights and promote democracy- and that's definitely not a contradiction. The right to vote and participate is a clear prerequisite for other rights because when you recognize that people ought to have the ability to make their voice heard at the polling station, then what logically follows is the recognition of their rights in other spheres. If the right to participate is extended even further to the people of this country, something similar may occur.

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CTYankee!!! Connecticut
12/17/15 6:41 pm

We have a participatory democracy. Unfortunately, too many people are too damn lazy to vote once a year.

azco
12/17/15 7:06 pm

Voting laws that make you have a photo idea or don't have same day registration or have limited voting poll stations or hours. Those are tithings that limit the voting crowd (especially lower class) not just being"lazy"

CTYankee!!! Connecticut
12/17/15 7:30 pm

Those aren't the reasons people don't vote. They're lazy. In a middle class town where I live, less than 30% voted in the recent municipal election.

NDAmerican Florida
12/17/15 7:39 pm

The first two won't prevent the poor from voting. It just takes $5 and a bit of time on a day off at the DMV to get a license. And it only takes one minute at the Registration Office at your court house to get registered. The latter is laziness, the former just requires proper planning.

rynefrompf Kingsport, TN
12/17/15 7:59 pm

The reason people don't vote is because they don't feel that they have a voice in the system. Because they don't. And no matter what kind of politicians they elect, if they don't have strong means of keeping them accountable to their interests, then you have the system that you do now- where an apathetic majority refuses to participate. If you have more direct participation, more direct democracy, then people will be motivated to take on these interests. Especially if a strong number of government responsibilities are delegated down below, where ordinary people will have to take action on issues that affect their lives, instead of leaving those issues to people at the top who only care about their careers. I'm not for transforming our system entirely into a direct democracy, but the existence of that element would greatly improve the quality of government we have- and make it more representative in the long run.

azco
12/17/15 9:16 pm

I'm talking about lower classes. I guess your town just doesn't care. That's sad. Democracy doesn't thrive there

azco
12/17/15 9:17 pm

In Az a driving license costs $25 and you need a car to take the test. A passport is $80+ and you need a photo ID in my state. A minimum wage worker can't afford that

CTYankee!!! Connecticut
12/18/15 5:30 am

Its a middle class town. No rich neighborhoods and no poor ones. Polls are open 6am to 8pm - plenty of parking - no lines - no public transport so everyone has a driver license. And yet, very few people vote. LAZY!

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
12/18/15 2:38 pm

We have a "representative Republic," not a "participatory democracy." Not knowing that there is a difference and what that difference is at the heart of most of our issues today as a free society.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
12/18/15 2:49 pm

There is no legitimate excuse for not requiring ID to vote. The poor cannot (or are not legally supposed) to be able to get any assistance without photo ID docs of some sort. You can't buy alcohol without photo ID... the list is long where ID required. Besides that, *every* proposition for requiring state ID makes provision for those who can't afford the fee. It's a distraction supported by strawman arguments.

www.washingtonexaminer.com/24-things-that-require-a-photo-id/article/2534254

www.oneangryman.com/ken/2012/01/things-you-are-required-to-have-an-id-for/

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
12/18/15 2:53 pm

Every state offer state ID cards, available at any DMV - where in most states one can also register vote as part of the same process - state IDs are typically less than an Driver's License, requires not test only appropriate documentation, & can be accessed via local transit. No car required.

A Passport serves the same function as either state ID or Driver's License. Longer process but gets the job done.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
12/18/15 3:18 pm

Nite: The second list has a couple "no longer required" things, but overall... there is a *long* list of activities that require valid ID & an awful lot of them are things "the poor" routinely access so do/should already have some form of acceptable valid ID.