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Show Of Hands December 14th, 2015 12:10am

Attorneys for Planned Parenthood filed a lawsuit Sunday in federal court to "protect abortion access in Ohio" after an investigation by the Attorney General of Ohio found that clinics improperly disposed of remains (CNN link). Pick a side.

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SharpenedSavage USA
12/23/15 10:57 pm

It's abortion. Not like it's a 30 year old citizen struggling with poverty and homelessness. Cry for him...

SharpenedSavage USA
12/23/15 10:57 pm

Please tell me weren't wasting tax money on burying dead babies. Are they not supposed to be thrown in local dumpster? Sorry... Just what I do when my pets die. 😬

MrFunnything North Carolina
12/19/15 8:59 pm

Defund PP let them fund their own health

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laika
12/20/15 9:22 pm

What the hell does this mean?

cowboy Doors of Perception
12/17/15 8:31 am

This is why lawyers need to be burned at the stake. They defend baby killers.

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laika
12/20/15 9:24 pm

Ah. The baby killers... these first trimester products of conception aren't babies.

cowboy Doors of Perception
12/21/15 8:31 am

Yes. Baby killers.

laika
12/21/15 11:36 pm

Calling products of conception "baby" doesn't make it true. Lemme guess. You are a boy.

chnxbbc San Jose, CA
12/15/15 10:07 pm

We need to keep funding pp because we need to maintain a women's constitutional right. All these kinds of items are a health issue for women in the same way that Viagra is covered for men.

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drself Gated Community
12/15/15 9:36 am

PP is treated like no other business in the US. If they are so good at what they do, let them follow the same rules as all other medical businesses. Cut all funds and let the patient pay.

RJ1969 SoCal
12/15/15 3:19 pm

You hit the nail on the head...we have millions of women in this country who cannot pay.

ladyniner81 no hope for humanity
12/15/15 6:35 am

If an organization is doing something like this, they should be held accountable. That's disgusting. If it's BS and someone is trying to use politics just to get rid of something they find offensive, eff off. Deal with it

suemac Mountains of Southern CA
12/14/15 9:17 am

We're killing our babies in the womb and throwing in the garbage dump. What the hell is wrong with this country!

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laika
12/20/15 9:27 pm

It isn't the womb. Its a uterus.

JFALibertarian
12/14/15 8:59 am

Abortion should be left to the states.

laika
12/20/15 9:28 pm

Termination of a pregnancy is the woman's choice.

JFALibertarian
12/20/15 9:32 pm

You ignored my argument. This is sensitive and complicated issue that should be left to the states to decide. Roe v. Wade has just caused divide and turmoil.

laika
12/21/15 11:40 pm

Not ignoring your Oh so wise argument. You little boys just don't get it.

laika
12/23/15 11:46 pm

laika resides 900 miles, at least, from any body of water with sharks.

TheMobius Siberian Gulag
12/14/15 8:56 am

Of course PP would lawyer up to defend their sick actions and make up a bullshit claim.

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Rotavele Alabama
12/15/15 5:29 am

"their sick actions and make up a b******t claim."

Would you like to buy a fetus?

TheMobius Siberian Gulag
12/15/15 10:56 am

Nien. Bury it, cremate it, give it a muslim burial at sea. Throwing it away is disrespect for the dead. Similar to throwing dead jews in piles after executing them.

laika
12/20/15 9:30 pm

There is a Muslim rite of burial at sea? Who knew.

laika
12/20/15 9:34 pm

Dear Mobius, it's Jews. Capital J.
A lot of Jews went up in smoke.

TheMobius Siberian Gulag
12/20/15 10:29 pm

Yet you dont mind my spelling of muslims? ISLAMAPHOBE!!1!1

TheMobius Siberian Gulag
12/20/15 10:29 pm

Muslim burial at sea was a reference to BinLaden supposedly being buried at sea.

laika
12/21/15 11:42 pm

I like to think it as being dumped at sea.

Momof4 San Marcos, CA
12/14/15 8:47 am

I'm so tired of mostly old white men trying to control what reproductive decisions women make. They need to mind their own business and let women and their doctors make these decisions.

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TheMobius Siberian Gulag
12/14/15 8:57 am

Are you fucking serious??

JFALibertarian
12/14/15 8:58 am

Their age and race has nothing to do with it.
I'm sorry you're tired of people trying to protect the rights of fetuses that are supposed to be protected under the constitution. Woe is you! Damn those pro-lifers!

Momof4 San Marcos, CA
12/14/15 8:58 am

Why would I say something that I wasn't serious about?

Momof4 San Marcos, CA
12/14/15 8:59 am

I'm pro life... Personally I have serious questions as to what you people are!

JulieB The Lake House
12/15/15 12:35 am

Who says "old white men" are the ones driving these decisions?

ThomasK
12/15/15 4:27 pm

Fetuses aren't protected under the constitution. Hence the legality of abortion.

skinner Jersey City
12/14/15 7:59 am

This is ridiculous. You can't just answer a criminal allegation by saying you're a victim. If an organization is violating the law, then they should be held accountable. This would be like a felon suing the state for threatening his freedom.

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Spiritof76 USA 1776
12/14/15 7:23 am

So, what's supposed to happen to the aborted fetus today? Before 1973, most illegally aborted fetuses ended up in the trash can/landfill.

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makem Chinese Xinjiang Camp
12/14/15 7:13 am

I love how you have to not be aborted to discuss aborting or not aborting others.

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lcaroline New Jersey
12/15/15 2:53 am

Are you trying to sound like Reagan?

makem Chinese Xinjiang Camp
12/15/15 9:49 am

Nope, I don't know how Reagan even talks (speech patterns) beyond the 1 or 2 speeches I've seen him make on YouTube.

But if I do sound like him, perhaps I should run for president in 16 or 20 years 😋.

ParaguasPato Columbus GA
12/13/15 11:29 pm

As long as the remains are dealt with responsibly afterward then the attorney general's case wont be valid anymore. *not supporting nor opposing abortion in general*

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obamasuxx
12/13/15 11:26 pm

Just working on the safe part of safe, legal, and rare...as if they want it rare.

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dryanmorr
12/13/15 11:25 pm

It is murder.

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DounutHole
12/13/15 11:38 pm

Cell are not human beings!

obviously
12/14/15 12:02 am

Condoms are murder! Those missionaries in Africa sure saved alot of lives!

IamPriscilla Idaho, USA
12/14/15 5:28 am

Cells ARE human beings if they have homosapian DNA.

skinner Jersey City
12/14/15 8:01 am

Donut: What about a collection of cells makes it inhuman? You realize that you are also a collection of cells, right?

dryanmorr
12/14/15 11:10 am

Well we are a collection of cells. Keep up with that thing called biology and science.

71776 Florida
12/14/15 5:14 pm

You're an idiot. You're completely made up of cells if you didn't know.

DounutHole
12/14/15 8:56 pm

When a man masturbates is that killing potential human life?

skinner Jersey City
12/14/15 9:12 pm

No, because the sperm is not joined by a female egg to form a zygote. Therefore, there was no life.

EdgarLeBunny
12/14/15 11:58 pm

Lol donut, you're funny. And comparing abortion to murder, please make a valid argument against abortion. This is begging the question fallacy

DounutHole
12/15/15 12:18 am

How many unwanted have you taken into your home today?
m.worldometers.info

skinner Jersey City
12/15/15 4:34 am

Donut, that's ridiculous. You're building up both a straw man and a tu quoque. You know our argument isn't about potential life. We see an embryo and a fetus as completely living human beings even if they are not at the developed stage of a newborn baby. This isn't about potential life and to say it is would only misdirect the argument in order to take down a weaker assertion that we are not proposing.

skinner Jersey City
12/15/15 4:35 am

Furthermore, your assertion that we should all be adopting an infinite number of children would not necessarily stop abortion. Even if it could, that's not our responsibility for justice. When analyzing our responsibility we need to consider our power, privilege, interests, and organizational capacity. As an 18 year old college student, I don't have the power or privilege to adopt even one child. However, none of that matters in the first place because there is already the option of adoption that is not taken by mothers who choose to abort. Even if this did make me a hypocritical person

for refusing to adopt a child, which we are not, it still isn't a valid argument to argue that my views are incorrect because I myself am a hypocrite.

Rotavele Alabama
12/15/15 5:33 am

"When a man masturbates is that killing potential human life?"

That's genocide

Gunfighter06 Iowa, since 1846
12/13/15 11:17 pm

I don't understand why liberals are so quick to defend PP. I want to end federal PP funding not because I'm pro-life but because the federal government should NOT be funding any healthcare-related organization, abortions or not.

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DounutHole
12/13/15 11:39 pm

Are you pro death penalty?

duncanJ New Jersey
12/14/15 5:19 am

If someone is truly pro-life, then they should be against abortion and capital punishment. But it is amazing to me that people like Hillary find the death penalty a terrible, inhumane thing but abortion is just fine. If we had to keep one, the death penalty would be the obvious choice because killing criminals is not nearly as terrible as killing babies.

mikeyDe Marine Corps
12/14/15 6:29 am

Because you think abortion is murder. People who do t view abortion as murder can go either way on it while promoting the death penalty because in there opinion there not the same thing. You clearly think it's murder and it cool cuz this is Murca' and you can think how you please. But they don't think the same way you do which I also cool cuz Murica'.

Gunfighter06 Iowa, since 1846
12/14/15 9:32 am

I am against the death penalty but I think both issues are state-level decisions.

mikeyDe Marine Corps
12/14/15 9:36 am

I'm all for the death penalty because I think bad people need to die sometimes but I don't view abortion as human death. The issue is 100% opinion based and everybody is just pushing there opinions on each other. It's a huge endless circular argument that always ends where it begins and nobody ever gets anywhere.

DounutHole
12/14/15 8:59 pm

Bad people for the most part are a result of poor parenting. Some of poor parents are caught up in a cycle of poverty. Stop the cycle and allow abortion, it has been the law of the land for over 40 years!

Cole12 ...
12/13/15 10:43 pm

PP. They're one of the greatest organizations in America today, and they're done nothing wrong.

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Cole12 ...
12/13/15 10:43 pm

*they've

4boot LaTrineodeur, MN
12/13/15 10:56 pm

Yeah sure...wow.

dannihearts pro choice.pro guns.LGBT
12/14/15 2:32 am

I completely agree. PP has been there for ,e during my entire pregnancy. :)

s4mm1 MD SLP
12/14/15 10:25 am

Not sure if joking, or oblivious....

Americanguy
12/14/15 3:47 pm

Cole12 must be a troll.

crazyjane New Jersey
12/14/15 7:58 pm

Troll?^ lol

Zod Above Pugetropolis
12/13/15 10:37 pm

It seems like if the politicians in that state have a legitimate issue at all, it is with the companies they license to properly handle and dispose of medical waste, not any of the healthcare providers who contract with those companies in good faith.

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4boot LaTrineodeur, MN
12/13/15 10:47 pm

Aborted babies = medical waste.

Little beings that could grow into intelligent, loving, feeling, God loving people who might have children of their own, now medical waste. Sad...😢

Zod Above Pugetropolis
12/13/15 11:03 pm

The obvious answer to the abortion question then, is if you are personally or religiously opposed to abortion, don't get one. That has nothing to do with the issue in this case, which is politicians, for whatever motive, using an alleged failure of a third party as an excuse to make it more difficult for people to obtain the particular medical care they are rightfully entitled to.

4boot LaTrineodeur, MN
12/13/15 11:07 pm

Very clinical...but still sad.

DounutHole
12/13/15 11:41 pm

Folks that can not or will not raise and pay for another person, only creates more homelessness and fills up our prison system. God should have steeped in sometime ago!

4boot LaTrineodeur, MN
12/14/15 12:06 am

Donut...yes, abort all babies. That will eventually end homelessness and empty the prisons...

obviously
12/14/15 12:17 am

Thanks to PP "selling baby parts"(They donate them 4 medical research rather than throwing them in the trash, those videos were simply talking about shipping/cooling costs) we can now save lives/regrow organs/limbs due 2 these medical breakthroughs!

IamPriscilla Idaho, USA
12/14/15 5:36 am

We've actually been able to do all thoes things and without fetal tissue. (It doesn't really work anyway.) The only thing they really want the fetuses for is their brains, since the government is studying the mind and how to control it. Trust me, you don't WANT the government to make any scientific breakthroughs in mind control. It will only benefit the government not society.

DuckAndCower
12/14/15 7:08 am

Don't worry, your tin foil hat will
keep you safe.

Rosebud Ohio
12/14/15 8:01 am

Wow. That's some hardcore paranoia and conspiracy theory there...

TheMobius Siberian Gulag
12/14/15 9:01 am

And the sheep start baa-ing. What a shock. Just commenting again out of cognitive dissonance.

nanocoaster The Brink of Success
12/13/15 9:27 pm

We've all seen this a hundred times:

Lib: reads. Sees planned parenthood. Sides with them regardless.

Rep: reads. Sees planned parenthood. Sides against them regardless.

Lib: argues about the "many other" services provided by the government thru planned parenthood. Claims Pap smears and contraceptives wouldn't be available any other way.

Rep: Points out that abortion involves killing a fetus.

Lib: Claims that fetus is a cluster of cells.

Rep: Gets offended and calls lib a baby killer.

Lib: Gets offended and claims that if rep cared about not killing, they wouldn't be so against gun control.

Debate shifts from Abortion to gun control to constitutional rights etc...

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nanocoaster The Brink of Success
12/13/15 9:28 pm

Constitutional rights etc etc....

tallboy Kilroy was here
12/13/15 10:12 pm

That pretty much sums it up..

obviously
12/14/15 12:27 am

97% of all scientists show evidence to support global warming

Fuck that shit

97% of all procedures at Planned Parenthood plan for parenthood

Fuck that shit

97% of all shootings done by Christians

Fuck that shit

Trump 2016?

Sounds Legit

ladyniner81 no hope for humanity
12/14/15 2:38 pm

Yup.

Me: WILL YOU PLEASE SHUT THE HELL UP?

ladyniner81 no hope for humanity
12/14/15 2:40 pm

You forgot the Democratic side:

FEEL THE BERN! 2016!!

ctlibertarian
12/15/15 5:19 am

sanders is economically illiterate

bigmac2016
12/13/15 9:20 pm

This is an issue for the medical waste contractor not for PP. There are legit criticisms of Planned Parenthood to be made but this isn't one of them. Partisan politics at its worst.

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crazyjane New Jersey
12/14/15 7:59 pm

The deep web probably

Rosebud Ohio
12/13/15 7:48 pm

So shouldn't the issue be with the medical waste company?

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duncanJ New Jersey
12/13/15 7:56 pm

No, planned parenthood employees were accused of dismembering the fetuses and selling them, not the disposal employees.

li11001
12/13/15 7:59 pm

That is false, Duncan. The AG is pinning it on PP when it was the waste contractors. It is a massive witch hunt by the Ohio GOP.

And don't tell me I am wrong... I live in Ohio and read about it just about every day.

RJ1969 SoCal
12/13/15 8:15 pm

When you can't accept facts, just lie. Right Duncan?

Rosebud Ohio
12/13/15 8:19 pm

Except everyone (and there are many) who has investigated has been unable to find any evidence supporting the claim that they're selling parts.

marcythorne
12/14/15 1:04 am

No. It falls on Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood is responsible for the medical waste generate in their organization even if they contracted the disposal of medical waste to different company. PP receive government funding and in order to receive the funding chances are they are regulated to the hilt, even if they use that funding for only non abortive services. Screening contracted disposal service providers falls onto PP. Medical waste is heavily regulated.

li11001
12/14/15 5:42 am

Marcy, I am betting you are an antiabortion proponent, so you will conveniently use that argument if it suits your opinion. Would it be acceptable to you for PP to change contractors? If they have found the current providers are NOT following regulations, they should change the contractor, correct? Or are you throwing the baby out with the bath water on this one?

And keep this in mind: the contractors also handle medical waste from other providers, like hospitals and doctors offices. If PP's waste is being mishandled, you can bet they are doing it with others. So, should there be criminal proceedings against them? Should they loose, say, Medicare funding? Tax breaks?

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
12/13/15 7:43 pm

I hate "planned parenthood." Even their name is a lie. They're murderers.

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obviously
12/13/15 7:49 pm

Your the kind of crazy that is killing this country.

If 3% of planned parenthood is performing safe abortion is a problem for you go live in 1975

BatmansParents Monarch Theater
12/13/15 9:06 pm

However, and it's a big 'however', they make most of their money off of abortions, I believe that the number was in the 90's

4boot LaTrineodeur, MN
12/13/15 10:54 pm

Obviously..."Killing this country"...great choice of words.

Isn't it obvious that it's the unborn babies who are being killed?

DounutHole
12/13/15 11:43 pm

Cells are not people! How many homeless have you taken in today?

TheLib New York City
12/13/15 11:46 pm

Nobody is arguing that the fetuses or babies(whatever you want to call them) aren't alive. They are killed in the process of an abortion. The argument is over whether or not that is of any consequence at certain stages, or under certain conditions. The issue is based on everyone's own moral view on it. Those who are religious believe in an objective morality, and so believe it to be objectively wrong. Others see this as a matter of individual choice, based on ones own subjective moral viewpoint.
Nobody also makes the decision to have an abortion lightly, or flippantly. You also can't argue that a fetus has the potential to grow up and be something. I could say the same thing about sperm and eggs individually. Each has the potential to become highly intelligent life. Does that mean it is murder to ejaculate someplace other than a woman's parts, or have ones ovaries removed? Where is the line? Does a mother that miscarries after getting into a car accident get charged with manslaughter?

4boot LaTrineodeur, MN
12/13/15 11:56 pm

Lib, are you kidding? It can't be argued that a fetus can grow up to be something? You were once a fetus, with DNA from both your mother and father, on a one way irreversible trip to birth...to "somethinghood", that is, of course, unless interrupted by miscarriage or an abortionist.

TheLib New York City
12/14/15 4:35 pm

And the point goes flying miles above your head. Im saying that that logic cannot be used to argue against abortion, as "the potential for life" is not solely possessed by a fetus. By following that logic, a woman could not have her ovaries removed, as it would destroy that potential.

4boot LaTrineodeur, MN
12/14/15 6:31 pm

The potential for life exists in the egg and sperm, but unless combined into a fetus they remain only potential. Once combined, a life is created...comprende?

TheLib New York City
12/14/15 10:34 pm

I would rather a child not be born into an abusive home, poverty, or to a mother who had been raped than to have that suffering be endured by both mother and child. There is nothing good about the action of aborting a fetus, but in weighing circumstances, it is often the best course of action. And if you really do want to get technical, a sperm cell is just as alive as any other cell, so do we now equate getting a paper cut to murder? It involves the death of cells...

coggy iowa
12/13/15 7:41 pm

would the same libs that side with planned parenthood on this issue side with Exxon if they were found improperly disposing of oil in the ocean. Or how about a company illegally disposing of nuclear waste would you side with the company or the state. Hypocrites.

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obviously
12/13/15 8:02 pm

You do realize those two things are WORSE than abortion and condoms right?!? Lmao

li11001
12/13/15 8:05 pm

That analogy is all wrong. Exxon is doing the dumping, so they should be held accountable. PP has a contractor that disposes of all medical waste (the same as any hospital or clinic). That contractor is not following the law, so they should be accountable.

Here is a better analogy... Should gunmakers be accountable for crimes committed with their guns? The gunmakers made the firearms, but someone else who bought the gun is doing the violence.

coggy iowa
12/13/15 8:10 pm

inadvertent death by toxic waste or intentional death by the knife. We will let God be the judge of which is worse.

Maj Worth Economist
12/13/15 8:22 pm

Congrats. You just validated Planned Parenthood's lawsuit.

li11001
12/13/15 8:24 pm

Fine... Let God judge. Let those who choose to have an abortion answer their creator. But YOU must also answer for your treatment of them. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone... All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God... Perhaps you should stop hurling the stones and and be concerned with your own actions.

obviously
12/13/15 8:30 pm

God condones abortion...and slavery soooo

obviously
12/13/15 8:36 pm

"If you *suspected* your wife had been unfaithful you are instructed to take her to a priest who force feeds "bitter water" to the woman to poison and curse her. If her belly rots the child was not yours and she is to be banished."

li11001
12/13/15 8:37 pm

I wouldn't go that far, obviously. S/He does allow us to make our own decisions. Nothing is off limits to us, but we must answer for those actions we do take, both wrong and right. If God was really THAT bothered by sin, s/he would not have given us an option to do those "sinful" things.

coggy iowa
12/13/15 8:37 pm

How did I throw stones? Someone commented that toxic waste dumping was worse than abortion and I replied that we will let God be the judge. How is that throwing stones? Do I believe abortion is sinful? Absolutely, along with pride, envy, lust, laziness, adultery, pornography and the list goes on and on. Am i innocent? Absolutly not. I'm guilty, but thanks to a compassionate God im forgiven. And so can anyone who can admit they are a sinner. That's the key, understanding your guilty and need a savior. To say something is wrong is not throwing stones it's speaking the truth and opening the eyes of those who have been taught a lie.

li11001
12/13/15 8:44 pm

So, are there worse sins than others? Is, say, murder a greater sin than lying? Does God say "that was a big one, but that one wasn't so big"?

You don't like abortion, fine. I don't like it either, but that is my choice. I do not force it upon others. That is improper. That is ungodly. That is not Christlike. If you truly believe in the ineffability of God's judgement, then you should let others live their life as they see fit.

coggy iowa
12/13/15 8:57 pm

To allow others to live their life as they see fit without telling them the truth of the consequences of their actions is not Christ like at all, its not loving at all, as a matter of fact is down right selfish and cruel. Would you allow your children to do whatever they wanted without warning them of the consequences that come with their decisions. Of course not, that would make you one of the worst parents ever. Christ was loving and the most merciful, loving thing a person can do is help prevent ones they love from suffering.

li11001
12/13/15 9:05 pm

Yes, that would be living in the image of God. However, to castigate and rebuke those who do not believe as you do is not Christlike; it is selfish. "I deny you because it is what God would have me do." No... That is entirely the wrong answer. If you do it because "it is what God wants me to do", you are act as party to a transaction. If I do this, it will make God happy and I will be a better person. You are trying to please God, NOT do what is right. Your actions are correct, but your motives are NOT.

coggy iowa
12/13/15 9:18 pm

If you are speaking in generalities I agree for the most part with what you are saying. If you are speaking about me personally you couldn't be more wrong. My motives are to not allow people to continue to be lied to. When someone says something in a post that is a lie. I will correct them. To you, these things i believe are my opinion, to me these beliefs are absolute fact. There is but one God and we will all answer to Him. And I truly hope you will seek Him. And I don't say or do any of this to try to please God. I do this so others may have the same hope that I have.

coggy iowa
12/13/15 9:27 pm

After I stated my opinion of the hypocrisy of those who stand up for a company like planned parenthood due to their political beliefs yet would rally against a company doing the same thing if they disagree with their politics someone made the comment that pollution was worse than abortion. That was the lie, and that is what started this whole debate.

li11001
12/13/15 9:37 pm

What makes it worse? Is the taking of a life a greater sin than the fouling of the land? This goes back to an unanswered question: does God see some sins as being worse than others?

DounutHole
12/13/15 11:50 pm

GOD really? Adults who believe angels are real should not be making comments!

JackQHu Durham, NC
12/13/15 7:26 pm

"Masters of Life" - kills babies everyday.

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drkwrl
12/13/15 6:46 pm

"According to DeWine's office, the three Planned Parenthood offices that perform abortions in the state contract with Stericycle, a medical and pharmaceutical waste management company, and Accu Medical Waste, a medical waste management disposal company."
Planned Parenthood does not dispose of the tissue; if these companies are found to have been mishandling the tissue, take action against the company, not Planned Parenthood. The furthest authority Planned Parenthood has in carrying the disposal is to urge those companies to follow the law, they can do nothing more.

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FlipFlopGirl Sic semper tyrannis
12/13/15 7:42 pm

You'd have to see their contract. Medical waste has a broad definition and could be anything from gloves with blood to aborted fetuses and everything in between. I'm not a medical waste expert but I'm guessing there are multiple SOPs and levels of medical waste which you might have to be approved to dispose of, thereby limiting what they could be contracted for. You'd have to check the contract to determine what exactly it included.

It's like the whole thousand dollar toilet seat the gov bought. What wasn't reported is that it was a fiberglass cover almost 10' long for a plane that hadn't been manufactured in decades. Hence it had to be made special bc the manufacturing line didn't exist anymore.

Alex619 California
12/13/15 6:32 pm

Abortion has no place in a modern society.

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RJ1969 SoCal
12/13/15 6:33 pm

Sounds like someone just came back from Saudi Arabia.

RJ1969 SoCal
12/13/15 6:34 pm

Look up which countries on earth have Legal abortions and where they are outlawed and get back to us.

Alex619 California
12/13/15 6:35 pm

Yawn. No point replying to someone who lives in candy land and refuses to accept facts.

RJ1969 SoCal
12/13/15 6:38 pm

Excellent retort. You, sir, are a fine debater.

Alex619 California
12/13/15 6:40 pm

Lol, your first comment was that I just came back from a country that hangs people in the city square daily. Funny I scrolled down below and you mocked someone for bringing up Nazi Germany.

RJ1969 SoCal
12/13/15 6:45 pm

Move those goal posts Alex...move them!

List the countries with legal abortion and those where they are outlawed.

RJ1969 SoCal
12/13/15 7:06 pm

Any day now. Any day....

Where do you fall on that list?

CrzyChica
12/13/15 7:47 pm

Exactly.

palindrome California
12/13/15 8:19 pm

... I... I don't think he's coming back

veritas1 Panda
12/13/15 6:28 pm

Here's the real finding:

"DeWine also said Friday his office's investigation did not turn up any evidence that the women's health organization is selling fetal tissue, an allegation that was the subject of a heated political debate in recent months."

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palindrome California
12/13/15 8:20 pm

But that won't stop the one sentence Facebook headlines all these suburban moms are going to be reading

SonofThunder peace
12/13/15 6:22 pm

Ohio. If your going to do something like abortion, do it as properly as it can be done.

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selfthink
12/13/15 6:03 pm

Here we go Tony, regardless of the actual question most people will read PP in the question and make up their mind of the answer without actually reading it all.

Until people agree on a definition of when life begins you can't solve this debate. And since that will NEVER happen, nothing will be solved. Especially by calling each other names or generalizing the other sides responses.

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GingaNinja43 Indiana
12/13/15 6:52 pm

Well scientists agree life begins at conception sooooo...

CrzyChica
12/13/15 7:49 pm

Let's see your research articles stating that "scientists" agree. No blog posts or biased news sites...actual research.

palindrome California
12/13/15 8:21 pm

Commenting so I can see the evidence ginga will undoubtedly produce /s

CrzyChica
12/13/15 8:41 pm

I'm not holding my breath, palindrome.

palindrome California
12/13/15 11:38 pm

Yeah, I know.... Because they don't exist.

But hey, he seems pretty sure they do sooooooo.....

Maj Worth Economist
12/13/15 5:54 pm

PP contracts its disposal of biohazardous material. If the contractor isn't doing its job, then it seems to me it's the contractor's fault.

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RJ1969 SoCal
12/13/15 5:56 pm

Good point.

memiata ohio
12/13/15 6:28 pm

So if I hire a contractor to do, say arson, or murder, the contractor is at fault, not me????

RJ1969 SoCal
12/13/15 6:31 pm

Of course not. You cannot hire people to commit crimes.

drkwrl
12/13/15 6:48 pm

Memiata, there's a straw man if I ever saw one.

palindrome California
12/13/15 8:22 pm

Lmao WTF?

All I read was rabble rabble roar I hate abortion so im going full crazy roar

Dhawgg Hoist The Black Flag
12/13/15 5:53 pm

PP is just a lying, wicked, disgusting organization.

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RJ1969 SoCal
12/13/15 5:54 pm

I know! All of those Pap smears and birth control. Monsters!

Dhawgg Hoist The Black Flag
12/13/15 5:56 pm

No amount of other services makes up for the horrific dismembering of innocent children. Shall we then try to look at the positives of Hitler's SS? Moron.

RJ1969 SoCal
12/13/15 5:57 pm

They're not children genius. Look up the definition of words sometime.

RJ1969 SoCal
12/13/15 5:58 pm

And +10 for invoking Hitler. Well done.

veritas1 Panda
12/13/15 6:31 pm

*claims to oppose unnecessary violence*

*"you should shoot yourself in the head"*

RJ1969 SoCal
12/13/15 6:32 pm

....says the guy who discharges unique sets of chromosomes on his mom's towels regularly.

AtlantaJones
12/13/15 6:38 pm

No planned parenthood in the country is set up to do Pap-smears, the pres of planned parenthood admitted that just a few weeks ago. There are plenty of other places to get contraception unless you're a moron.

rnuckles
12/13/15 6:41 pm

This person is "pro life" but probably is against gun control legislation. More mass shootings than days in the year. I'll just leave that there.

RJ1969 SoCal
12/13/15 6:41 pm

Really? I'm sure you've looked into this.

Oh look...pap smears. Go figure.

www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are/planned-parenthood-at-a-glance

RJ1969 SoCal
12/13/15 6:43 pm

"Three percent of all Planned Parenthood health services are abortion services"

I can totally see you guys are well-informed on this topic.

Does PP prevent more unwanted pregnancies or perform more abortions?

Dhawgg Hoist The Black Flag
12/13/15 6:52 pm

And yet 86% of their revenue is from abortion services. Yeah, that gels with your 3%.

Even still, let's say your number is correct. If I go to the mall and do wonderful things for 97 people, then brutally murder 3, is that cool?

veritas1 Panda
12/13/15 7:00 pm

If by "wonderful things" you mean life-saving cancers screenings and healthcare coverage and by "brutally murder" you mean a routine procedure, then yes. I think you should get a huge award and more funding.

RJ1969 SoCal
12/13/15 7:04 pm

"And yet 86% of their revenue is from abortion services"

Yes, because, by law, federal funding cannot be used for abortion services and since most of what they do are health services for women, the only source for revenue is what the gov cannot fund.

Next?

RJ1969 SoCal
12/13/15 7:05 pm

Queue slow clap here

CrzyChica
12/13/15 7:53 pm

But dehumanizing the women who carry the fetuses by forcing them to carry is OK, even if their lives are in jeopardy or they've been raped? Stupid question considering with whom I'm talking. You have a dick, so easy for you to blather on with opinions with which you'll never actually have to live. I've got your number, Chima. I know arguing is pointless, and yet...

rnuckles
12/13/15 8:29 pm

This is not accurate. According to Planned Parenthood 13-14 Earnings posted online: only 23 percent of PP's revenue comes from "Non-governmental Health services." The 86% figure was based on Rep. Lummis estimating what Planned Parenthood receives per abortion and then multiplying this number by the number of abortions they provide. However, that calculation was also wrong.

CrzyChica
12/13/15 8:39 pm

Chima, I'm just curious, do you believe everything in using birth control? I find that many anti-abortion people also don't believe we should have sex Ed in school, or that women should have easy access to birth control. Are you one of those don't have sex people?

RJ1969 SoCal
12/13/15 9:46 pm

"Sperm is a copy of my chromosomes. A unique set is formed when it meets the egg. "

Meiosis. <--- look that up

veritas1 Panda
12/13/15 10:59 pm

Lol wtf. In no sexually reproducing organism is a) each germ cell identical to its parent organism or b) identical to its fellow germ cells.

veritas1 Panda
12/13/15 11:03 pm

Crossing over? Assortment? Meiosis I and II? Any of this ringing a bell from from high school biology?

veritas1 Panda
12/13/15 11:04 pm

If what you're saying is true, every single sibling on earth would be 100% genetically identical to their other siblings, even if they aren't twins.

veritas1 Panda
12/13/15 11:06 pm

Explain crossing over to me.

veritas1 Panda
12/13/15 11:12 pm

What? No. What is crossing over?

veritas1 Panda
12/13/15 11:14 pm

Hint: the recombined chromosomes are totally different from the parent organism.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosomal_crossover

veritas1 Panda
12/13/15 11:18 pm

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. My best guess is that you're confusing chromosomes with genes.

veritas1 Panda
12/13/15 11:19 pm

In any event, this is pointless. You are objectively wrong. Meiosis has multiple mechanisms built in for promoting genetic diversity. This is a waste of time.

veritas1 Panda
12/13/15 11:34 pm

1) crossing over and assortment result in transfers of segments of homologous chromosomes to create brand new chromosomes, not ones "identical" to the parent cell. This is not hard stuff if you just look at a diagram of crossing over.

2) Every gene has multiple forms. These forms are called alleles. Each allele will represent a different expression of a trait. Which allele form a gene gets passed onto a particular germ cell is part of the randomness that creates genetic diversity. Understanding the difference between an allele and a gene will probably shore up some of your confusion.

veritas1 Panda
12/13/15 11:35 pm

But I agree that you're schooling me right now because discussing with you reminds me very much of 2nd grade.

nanocoaster The Brink of Success
12/14/15 3:56 pm

They have more brains than @RJ1969. At least they know the value of life.

nanocoaster The Brink of Success
12/14/15 4:06 pm

@CrzyChica, dehumanizing? Women aren't the ones dehumanized. If you don't want to have a baby don't have sex. If you use protection and it fails, guess whose fault it still is? You could stop being an irresponsible sl*t or at least not advocate for them. You have your freakin rights. You have the right to choose to have sex. You have the best contraceptives available. You have the right to abstain. I'm sorry if you can't control yourself, but don't go crying that someone is taking away your right. You have ABSOLUTELY no right to destroy the living breathing baby even if it is in your body. NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER. It doesn't matter if you believe in God or not, you will still be held accountable and you will suffer. You probably think this is a bunch of BS and you can think that, but I don't want to hear any more crap about having your right taken away.

CrzyChica
12/14/15 9:46 pm

Angry much, nano? Assuming you have any idea about what kind of person I am a little bit? I'm married & have been for years, use birth control responsibly, never had abortion, not that it's any of your business. Have you ever had health problems that would make carrying a child life threatening for you? I have. Have you ever been abused? I have. Do you even have a uterus? Pardon me if I think little of your self-righteous ranting. If my life or the life of any woman is in danger or she has already suffered through rape, you & the people like you who are holier than thou can kiss the collective *sses of all of the women in the world who don't give a s**t about your opinion. And you WILL hear more about it from me & many other women & there's not a d**n thing you can do about it. Attacking women you don't even know to try to get your point across? Even God would think you're being a huge douche. I will not address you again. We are done.

nanocoaster The Brink of Success
12/15/15 12:00 am

Saying I don't have an opinion because I don't have a uterus is like men not letting women vote because they weren't men. Hypocritical much. I'm sorry if it offends you, but I can't stand when people like you think women deserve the right to kill. It is sickening. I'm not heartless. There are circumstances where abortion is the only option. Let those cases stand alone. End the killing now.

CrzyChica
12/15/15 6:34 am

So you agree there are circumstances in which abortion is the only option. Then we're not so far apart on our beliefs. Abortion should be extremely rare. To prevent the use of abortion for birth control we need sex education which teaches about birth control & STDs in schools because too many parents aren't responsible enough to educate their kids. Unfortunately some anti abortionists are also anti sex education. Birth control needs to be easily accessed & cheap or free. Again, some anti abortionists don't want insurance to cover birth control or complain that healthcare for the poor exists. You can't have it both ways. You want to make abortion rare, educate & provide birth control. Telling people not to have sex does nothing to end abortion. Since you responded more civilly & with less venom I am willing to reply.

CrzyChica
12/15/15 6:42 am

Chima, I truly hope that any woman who has an abortion consults with the man who got her pregnant & they make the decision together, especially if they are in a long-term relationship. How many men abandon women & their own children after the woman gives birth? How many single mothers do we have who have never known their fathers? So if you think every woman who gets pregnant should birth the baby, then you'd better tell me you support social systems that he'll that woman to raise that child. OR if you think abortion should be illegal and b***h about fathers not having a choice, then the men who insist the woman has the child should be willing to financially support his offspring. Some men today don't. Again, more instances that you can't have it both ways.

CrzyChica
12/15/15 3:12 pm

Chima, I believe in foster care and adoption as well. Here are two realities to consider. How many children are already in our foster care system that never get adopted, some of whom go to foster parents who are abusive, or who are trucked from one foster home to another? How is that a solution? Yes. Some kids get lucky and are placed in a loving foster home, thank goodness. Second, you don't want to give money to women to care for the babies you want them to keep? You DO realize all foster parents get money as well to care for each foster child, right? So either way someone is getting money to care for the child.

ConservativeCA Joe Biden is barely alive
12/13/15 5:48 pm

So liberals think that access to healthcare is a human right, but simply being born isn't?

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drkwrl
12/13/15 6:51 pm

In favorable circumstances for the child, yes it is

political Georgia
12/13/15 5:48 pm

I'm not going to side with Planned Parenthood. I can't believe a first world Nation supports such a barbaric action.

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RJ1969 SoCal
12/13/15 5:53 pm

Funny you should say that because most first world nations do...it's the ones you might refer to as barbaric that outlaw it. Stew on that for a bit.

political Georgia
12/13/15 5:54 pm

I know...isn't it disgusting?

RJ1969 SoCal
12/13/15 5:56 pm

It is....and you will never have to worry about it.

political Georgia
12/13/15 5:57 pm

I know because I won't marry a sick human being who wants to murder my child.

RJ1969 SoCal
12/13/15 5:58 pm

Of course not. You'll find someone to do what you want.

political Georgia
12/13/15 5:59 pm

You better believe it.

RJ1969 SoCal
12/13/15 5:41 pm

Improper disposal of medical waste? I'm sure the Ohio AG has investigated medical offices, dentists, and fertility clinics all throughout Ohio. Or....maybe not.

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mhart16 Carrying On
12/13/15 6:18 pm

They probably have. It's most likely inspections that found it. Inspections like those done at every other medical office

xxclixxx Rhode Island
12/13/15 5:28 pm

Pro choice or not if a medical clinic isn't operating properly it shouldn't be allowed to continue. If it were a factory improperly getting rid of waste it would cause a massive uproar.

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JennaB Mother
12/13/15 5:31 pm

Alright close the ONE pp in violation not all of them.

chance Sirnotappearinginthisfilm
12/13/15 5:53 pm

You can't be dumb enough to think that is just one of them.

JennaB Mother
12/13/15 6:00 pm

You can't even dumb enough to think it's all of them.

drkwrl
12/13/15 6:53 pm

Did you even read the article? The contractors are responsible for disposal, not PP

Michael157 Bakersfield, CA
12/13/15 5:22 pm

The unborn deserve equal rights!

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JennaB Mother
12/13/15 5:31 pm

Should we protect their 2nd amendment rights too?! Come on now. How can you protect the "rights" of a group of cells in a woman's body that may or may not see the outside world. Hell what if that fetus is a immigrant! Should we really be giving immigrants rights???? Just using right wing logic here. :)

JennaB Mother
12/13/15 5:33 pm

But seriously when did the right wing support rights of non citizens...EVER!

theKidnextdoor
12/13/15 5:35 pm

The republicans freed the slaves and gave them rights

CJATX Austin
12/13/15 5:39 pm

Those aren't the same republicans that exist now, they had a completely different platform. And, either way, Lincoln wasn't really in favor of freeing the slaves, he just wanted peace in the union, and freeing the slaves was how that would be made

DoctorWasdarb Marxist Leninist Maoist
12/13/15 6:04 pm

And Jenna said right-wing, rather than Republicans,

nanocoaster The Brink of Success
12/13/15 9:15 pm

@CJATX did you meet Lincoln? Did he write that word for word in a journal? Or did you hear that from some college history professor?
Lincoln wrote the Emancipation Proclamation. He suffered a bullet to the head for what he did for this country. Until you have done the same, or at least have a valid source for your information, please just shut up!

mhart16 Carrying On
12/13/15 6:22 pm

But why. They have a job to dispose wastes correctly and they were obviously negligent and didn't do their job right. If it were anything else, a factory disposing of bio hazard wastes for example, there would be no question. It would be, shut down the factory ASAP. Shut down the clinic I say

JennaB Mother
12/13/15 6:31 pm

The clinic yes but NOT PP.

mhart16 Carrying On
12/13/15 6:37 pm

No. They ought to shut down the single clinic. Not the entirety of PP, but they ought to check other PP clinics for improper disposal. These type of things often run in companies.