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Climate change doesn't mean that Earth is getting hotter necessarily. It's a change in weather patterns. The mini ice age that you're talking about is due to solar activity, and we probably won't even notice if it occurs. It doesn't have anything to do with our planet.

You have no idea what climate change is do you?

Oh god, a Sanders supporter, buckle up guys we're going on the batshit crazy train

Scientific facts and research are batshit crazy now?

Bro...that mini ice age you are talking about...is global warming...

A tax means they'll figure it out with govt intervention........wow.....

It's not a lie,the amount of Co2 that is put in the air by all humans breathing is negligible,The factories in the other hand are pumping way more C02 then our environment can handle,causing the climate to change

No, that right there is the lie.

link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10584-005-5352-2
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/(SICI)1099-1417(199611/12)11:6%3C451::AID-JQS275%3E3.0.CO;2-9/abstract
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What's this about being a lie? Do you deny the mounds of evidence towards climate change or are you just another ignorant fool scared by big words in science journals?

The science is tainted. As soon as anyone says anything against the groupthink, they lose all funding and are shouted out of their positions. I am a scientist thank you very much, so I'm not ignorant, a fool, or "scared" of any, what you call, "big words", but I am scared of your side shoving us back into the Stone Age because you don't like the lives we live now. It's cute how "solving" climate change will actually get the left everything they want, and that now includes stopping terrorism. Nice little package you have there..... Please, explain to me any other scientific discipline where the science is "settled" because real scientists know that nothing is ever settled.....

And I absolutely love that you cite as evidence natural climate change that humans had absolutely nothing to do with in 2000 BC. To those of us that don't believe in the human caused climate change cult, we can see that the climate changes naturally constantly and you just proved that for me! Thanks! We are not making the climate any different, it is changing on its own and nothing we do or don't do will change anything other than quality of life.

You are correct on the part where nothing is ever settled,only because some people didn't teach their kids to be rational or use intelligence in thought.climate change is happening,all evidence points towards it

We all know humans don't cause climate change but we are accelerating it

Sorry, around 800 BC.

No, again, that is a lie. Climate changes all the time and there is nothing we can do about it. The reason science is never settled though kid, since you just proved you don't understand science, is that the most basic part of science is to constantly question your findings. It's not that people just don't believe it, it is that you are actively not supposed to believe any of it so you test it as detached as possible to get the most unbiased results. "Climate scientists" are in no way unbiased when they get their money from governments that want the results 1 way and they know they will be punished with less money and more ridicule if their results don't go that way.....

We've questioned our findings time and time again yet it reveals the same answer.dont you think that means something

We actually don't question the results because as I have now said 3 times, anytime anyone does, they are told to shut up and lose their positions. You can be part of that religious cult if you would like, but I choose to be on the side of being able to drive my car and have a functioning economy and a relatively good quality of life.

Relatively good quality,could be great quality if you help save the human race

Nope, opposite. Quality of life will necessarily go down as we shut down the things that supposedly "hurt" the planet. Like if I can't drive my car where I want to, when I want to, and at an affordable price, my quality of life will go down.

Electric cars are a lot cheaper than you'd think and its environmentally friendlier than a petroleum fueled car

Not cheaper than normal cars, and even if they were, they simply are not as reliable or as easy to fuel up. I will not plug my car in every time I park it, or have an extension cord running of my house to charge my car so it can go maybe 100 miles. Also electricity is going up like crazy as we are forced to use solar and wind, neither of which are as reliable, and people want us to have to use even more electricity at higher prices, thus taking even more money that can't go to what I want it to go to.

How do you think they power electric cars? How harmful are the huge lithium ion batteries that power electric cars? Have you ever looked at how they mine lithium?

Forcing businesses to move overseas is not going to solve anything. Innovations will solve more than regulations any day.

Never trust a politician about science,trust the scientists

Wtf does that have to do with anything?

What blows my mind is that anyone believes the propaganda that comes out of the puppet politicians that run this country. Obama does not really care about climate change, if he did, he would have done something 7 years ago, not at the end of his term, where he will conveniently leave office before he really has to do anything about the climate. And he also wants to handicap small business and entrepreneurs in this country. That is why someone with any commonsense would vote 'no.'

We all know Potus doesn't give a rats ass about the earth,but we should because we're killing our only home

There are no jobs when whole cities have to shut down because of pollution. Beijing...

Actually I said I'm for restrictions. But when a small company has to buy a hybrid vehicle so that it meets regs for vehicle to hybrid ratio. Oh yeah it's a trucking company that works in the Sierras. So the cars just sit there. That's someone's job for the year, to meet a dumb law that doesn't help the environment at all.

Lol, it is. How many have died from terrorism in the US in the past 10 years vs those that have contracted respiratory diseases...

Fun fact, Carbon Emissions includes more than CO2.

For example, Methane, CH4, is a carbon emission.

CO2 is a necessity but when we release too much into the air, it can and prevent the infrared light(it causes heat) from the sun from escaping the atmosphere.

Well in the past, the high levels weren't caused by us.

So we should engage in a race to the bottom by competing with the environmental standards of countries like China?

Absolutely! Sounds like something I just said....

Don't you just love how liberals go to extremes! So predictable!

Me: I don't want to raise regulations.
Liberal: You don't want any directions.

Cycle continues.

I'm just taking your logic to its conclusion. Any regulation necessarily gives business that don't have that regulation an advantage. Even the most basic environmental regulations "ship jobs overseas" at the benefit of a cleaner environment.

Why not get rid of some pesky pollution regulations to bring jobs back? Or are you in favor of sending jobs overseas in certain cases? And if so, your jobs-based argument falls apart because you have to explain why you support sending jobs overseas in some cases but not this one.

Political, you suck at trolling.

That's the problem, V. You use no logic. At times, I wonder if you are even reading my comments. Then, I remember that your goal is to just twist my own words in order to have an intellectual dishonest conversation.

I'm just using your logic. If that logic doesn't make sense to you, I agree.

There you go again.

I'm just asking you questions and you're whining about liberals. Not sure how that's anything but a distraction tactic.

Your questions are stupid. You are trying to paint a false picture. Maybe you should try reading the question. Then reading my comments. That's just a helpful tipS

Tip.*

V I'm seeing you argue on lots of these threads. It seems like your main strategy is to use big words and abstract theories and ideas in hopes to confuse your opponents and call them out for not knowing it. Just something I've noticed.

That's his goal? If it is, he is miserably failing.

Lol. Are the abstract ideas and words like "competition" and "regulation" confusing you?

My idea is simple: environmental regulations are a trade off between economic output and a cleaner, healthier environment. By opposing a regulation on the grounds that it would send jobs to countries that don't have that regulation makes no sense because that logic means we should oppose any regulation for which that is true. And that creates a race to the bottom.

If that's confusing to you, it's your problem not mine.

Haha! See what he did there. He subtly made opposing higher regulations on carbon emissions to mean I oppose all regulations.

He expects me to take him serious? Lol...quit playing games.

No. Read my comment again. I'm saying that opposing it based on job grounds leads to a race to the bottom. Your logic needs clarification and adjustment otherwise it falls apart as shown. Again, reading helps. Unless my "big words" are too confusing.

What big words? No need to try to squirm your way out of this situation. Everyone knows what you are trying to do.

Hey look man, that was my opinion, not political's. So trying to use that argument against him is pointless.

Clearly neither of you have any interest in the topic at hand are more interested by these side distraction topics and whining about liberals. That's fine. I'm sure someone else will be happy to entertain those thoughts. All of my comments have been about the topic.

I never once brought up the topic, bud😂 I never once whined about you being a liberal😂 I just stated what I saw about your debate strategy.

I agree.

Only if exaggeration is considered on topic...

Is that why the economy does better under Democratic presidents?

False. Germany's 1940 economy was orders of magnitude smaller than modern America. Go make up another statistic.

Then at least we'll have cleaner air.

Wait a minute... I had no idea the climate change movement was a scam! I should have known that the one goal of all those scientists was to scare the whole world and have world leaders come together in Paris to address a hoax. I can't believe a thinking person like myself could oversee this possibility.

While I'm rethinking all my views, I should maybe ponder whether the Big Bang Theory is a hoax in order to upset religious people. Maybe we never landed on the moon, and we only did it to piss of the Russians. Maybe chemistry is a hoax, and atoms aren't real. I mean, I'be never seen one! And germ theory? C'mon, that's just a ploy by doctors and biologists to convince you need their special "treatment" which actually weakens your immune system and will eventually cause your death.

Actually as many countries, including China and India, make regulations to curb the use of carbon, businesses will not have a place to outsource to avoid environmental regulations

Let's just pack all those polluters onto the East Coast – New Jersey already has a headstart – and let the jetstream dump all that crap on to Europe. I'm sure it will *never* come back around to affect us…

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What about the businesses in green energy? This in not destroying jobs or businesses, but rather moving them from an environmentally harmful sector(coal and oil) to an environmentally friendly sector (wind, solar, nuclear, hydro, electric)