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DerekWills December 11th, 2015 12:21am

Exactly zero people that have carried out violent attacks on Americans have been on the no-fly list. Do you think it's a good idea to have a nameless, faceless, unelected bureaucrat decide who can and cannot fly/buy a firearm without due process?

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drself Gated Community
12/13/15 12:03 pm

Also, the administration can not name one terrorist that would have been stopped by gun control laws on the book or proposed.

suppressedID hope despite the times
12/11/15 9:17 am

Wait, you are advocating for MORE bureaucracy?

pietsch Another Adoring Fan
12/11/15 7:36 am

You forgot to add "unaccountable" to the list of attributes of the official.

Liberty 4,032,064
12/11/15 5:31 am

No, and anyone that supports this while criticizing Trump for being authoritarian is a hypocrite.

Odysseus We All Need A Fantasy
12/10/15 6:31 pm

Yes, the FBI has maintained a "Ten Most Wanted" list since 1949. It has been a very successful tool for them over the years.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
12/10/15 6:34 pm

Those are two completely different things. The no-fly list was created after 9/11 and consists of nearly 100,000 names of American citizens.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
12/11/15 4:51 am

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kspells TheOtherOtherside
12/10/15 6:08 pm

What does it take to get on the do not fly list?

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
12/10/15 6:27 pm

Being suspected of possibly, maybe having a remote tie to someone else who might be a possible terrorist.... Basically, if you thought the IRS scandal was bad for targeting conservative groups, wait until the DoJ has a day of who can and can't buy a firearm.

kspells TheOtherOtherside
12/10/15 6:38 pm

Well isn't enforcing the laws, the point of having stricter gun control laws? It's the selling to potential killers that's failing to adhere.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
12/10/15 6:45 pm

It violates the right of due process. The government is deeming people guilty until proven innocent.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
12/11/15 6:14 am

They are guilty of being linked to terrorism until they prove themselves innocent and get off the no-fly list... And that's if they're even aware of the fact that they're on it in the first place. The FBI doesn't send you a letter saying that you're on the no-fly list. People always find out at the airport. With this crap, they will also find out at a gun shop. For G-d's sake, children have been put on the no-fly list. Ted Kennedy was on it! (Granted, he did kill that hooker he was with, but that's a different story).

kspells TheOtherOtherside
12/11/15 2:04 pm

It's not a different story. These people are not being treated as guilty. That would mean incarceration. They are being treated as suspects which is not the same as being incarcerated. Flying is not a protected Right. It is a granted privilege. We don't have to let anyone fly. We took a vote just to give our government agents the power to decided just exactly who can fly & who can't.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
12/11/15 2:29 pm

Fair enough..... I disagree, but valid point. We don't have the right to fly. We DO, however, have the right to keep and bear arms....

kspells TheOtherOtherside
12/11/15 3:18 pm

If the seller of guns does follow the laws required and does the background check and the check shows this person to be a suspect of violence then what right does the seller have to sell the gun? None. That is the definition of stricter gun laws. Penalties for those who do not adhere to them.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
12/11/15 4:00 pm

Wtf are you talking about? Current background checks see about actual convictions in the buyer's past (which I'm against, but that's a different discussion). The no-fly list does not grow due to convictions or even if someone has been charged. It is entirely decided at the discretion of whichever bureaucrat is in charge at the moment. What are you not understanding?

kspells TheOtherOtherside
12/11/15 4:18 pm

Right, but no fly list, would equal no sale of gun, which means no new gun law, just a stricter way of enforcing existing laws. Like you can't drive while intoxicated DWI became zero tolerance through restricting the ways to get out of the intent of the law.

kspells TheOtherOtherside
12/11/15 4:32 pm

When the Boston bombing happened, law enforcement agencies said the terrorists were suspects. They knew they were likely to be a threat. There was nothing they could do until they actually committed a crime. The do not fly list as a reason to not sell guns is taking the chains off the hands that are tied by them.

Ebola1 Florida
12/10/15 5:53 pm

Absolutely not.

Diogenes Not Biden It
12/10/15 5:31 pm

It goes completely against the values this country and Constitution instill.