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Show Of Hands August 17th, 2015 5:38pm

Bernie Sanders has tweeted that he will meet with civil activist DeRay Mckesson and others to discuss his racial justice platform. Do you believe this conversation will help or hurt Bernie in the polls?

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Mallard
08/21/15 5:30 am

Lmao I think the most ironic thing I've ever seen was Black Lives Matter protesters interrupting Bernie's speech. Bernie has LITERALLY been there every step of the way, helping them achieve their rights.

twighli LGBTQ Pride
08/20/15 1:19 am

Yeah, let's attack a man for listening to the people. For preventing police brutality. For attempting to save lives. No, I don't agree with how they interrupted him, totally uncalled for. But just bc it happened doesn't mean u have to be heartless.

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TheAtheistFish Brooklyn, nyc
08/19/15 1:20 pm

The only reason this might hurt Bernie is that the racist won't vote for him.

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Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
08/19/15 1:33 pm

The "racists" won't vote for him? Black racists like those that were at his rally in Seattle??

Swarley utah
08/18/15 6:01 pm

I first read the question and thought it said Barry Sanders, the football player for the Lions. Man was I disappointed to find out it had nothing to do with him.

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Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
08/18/15 4:10 pm

Bernie has lost a bit of credibility with me based on how he capitulated to the Black Lives Matter thugs. Is this how he shows leadership? "Seattle thank you for being the most liberal city in America." REALLY!?!?! I'm now having considerable doubts.

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lukedoggydog
08/18/15 11:39 am

Wow there are some really hateful comments posted here! Amazing how quick anonymous posting devolves into name-calling. It's sad that people would call him weak or 'spineless' because he would sit down and talk. Isn't that what politicians should do?

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googer11 Minnesota
08/18/15 5:00 am

Just saw the news clip of this. Atrocious example of bad behavior. Poor Bernie. He is too much of a gentleman to properly respond. I would not have been able to respond like a lady.

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Lancelot2032 Houston, Texas
08/18/15 4:07 am

I don't know. Sanders appeals more to the nativist bloc of the country. Nativists have been very vocal lately, hence the massive support for Trump and Sanders.

heckerj44 Virginia
08/18/15 3:41 am

I completely disagree with all of this but I predict that it will help him #standwithrand

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ProbablyEug Oakland
08/17/15 8:12 pm

I believe the #Blacklivesmatter movement is targeting Sanders because they feel like he might actually work with them. You don't put so much effort into a candidate you don't think you can move.

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jchristianreed South Carolina
08/17/15 7:04 pm

Young people in particular have always been enamored with Socialism. Problem is, it NEVER works! The only thing Government distributes evenly is misery!!

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thatguy2 We tried to warn you
08/17/15 8:36 pm

He isn't calling for gov control of the means of production therefore he's not a socialist.

googer11 Minnesota
08/18/15 4:07 am

Capitalism isn't working well either. Why can't there be a third choice? Or more?

thebarr
08/18/15 9:23 am

Capitalism in this country doesn't work because we don't let it work. What we get is more of a crony capitalism.

justanotherteen Not Available
08/18/15 9:05 pm

@thatguy2 I've seen a lot of your comments lately and I think you're a wonderful human. You've earned yourself a follow

Lancelot2032 Houston, Texas
08/18/15 11:27 pm

Did someone say third choice? 👀
[inner fascism intensifies]

arizonatexan
08/17/15 6:06 pm

Sure why not. #alllivesmatter

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lisalashe
08/17/15 5:55 pm

Like it or not the minority vote is necessary.

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awkwardism dissent
08/17/15 6:07 pm

Why would anyone not like it?

lisalashe
08/17/15 6:16 pm

A lot of people don't care about our vote or our voice, now America has no choice.

awkwardism dissent
08/17/15 6:19 pm

Can we not all just be fucking people for a fucking day?

lisalashe
08/17/15 6:20 pm

I don't know, can we??

awkwardism dissent
08/17/15 6:22 pm

If it isn't democrat or republican it's fucking religion, if it's not that it's fucking racism! I fucking hate all of you.

awkwardism dissent
08/17/15 6:24 pm

Are you black, white, Mexican, Muslim, Christian, Catholic, Chinese or Hindu? If you are, fuck you! If I missed your little group, fuck you!

lisalashe
08/17/15 7:16 pm

Are you big mad or little mad???

awkwardism dissent
08/17/15 7:19 pm

Lol. I guess I'm little mad. That's my little mad.

awkwardism dissent
08/17/15 7:22 pm

I'm white as fuck. Well I really don't know how white I am. I don't think this is the point, but I can pass as white all day.

awkwardism dissent
08/17/15 7:23 pm

I could probably pass for Mexican if I wanted too, but my family is Greek.

awkwardism dissent
08/17/15 7:25 pm

Actually my heritage is relatively fucked up on down the line but that's some other third thing.

awkwardism dissent
08/18/15 9:56 pm

I get that you care but I know you're a fool, so stop with the hashtags

Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
08/18/15 10:52 pm

According to who? You? So what? You don't get to decide if I'm a "fool" or not. You don't like my hashtags?? #so what? Your annoyance is irrelevant.

Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
08/18/15 10:54 pm

#ALL LIVES MATTER #ALL VOTES MATTER
#AMERICA ALWAYS HAS A CHOICE.

Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
08/18/15 10:57 pm

"A lot of people don't care about our vote or our voice, now America has no choice." This sounds like the "Black lives matter" people at the Bernie Sanders rally. They made such fools of themselves making threats with NO WAY to back it up.

lisalashe
08/18/15 10:58 pm

If you think all lives matter then you should be upset that black and brown men and women are assaulted and killed by police. But you aren't. All lives matter is just something you say to try to silence a moment that won't be stopped. Nice try tho.

lisalashe
08/18/15 10:59 pm

Obviously they didn't make fools of themselves. We see mr sanders has added race relations to his platform. Why? Because he needs the minority vote to win.

Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
08/18/15 10:59 pm

The event organizer should have had them forcibly removed AFTER putting duct tape over their big stupid mouths. Statements like "A lot of people don't care about our vote or our voice, now America has no choice." Are empty threats which should be...

Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
08/18/15 11:00 pm

....simply minimized, marginalized and ignored.

lisalashe
08/18/15 11:01 pm

Just like your ancestors used to do mine right??? Lol maybe you need tape over your mouth. Ignore button for you now. Goodnight!

Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
08/18/15 11:03 pm

"Because he needs the minority vote to win." Nope not even close. He needs ALL votes to win. Yes the BLM folks made complete spectacles of themselves. Screaming "we are reasonable!" In the faco of the organized really got him to move fast! Fail.

Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
08/18/15 11:06 pm

Wow lisa you assume way too much because you have the right story for everyone. NOT! My ancestors had nothing to do with slavery because THEY WEREN'T HERE! Fail again sister! Race issues are not as relevant as you people make it out to be.

Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
08/18/15 11:08 pm

Police abusing black and brown people?!?! Maybe if that statistically tiny amount of people would just shut their stupid confrontational mouths when an officer is speaking with them they might just be treated like normal people.

Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
08/18/15 11:10 pm

The BLM movement is proving the point I just made. Stupid people getting in the faces of those in authority means that ultimately they lose. BLM are kidding themselves if they think ANYONE takes them seriously.

awkwardism dissent
08/18/15 11:14 pm

Please can we just try to care about people? I know it's really hard to think that we might not be on the top of the list, let's just try to be people, fuck the stupid shit. We should all care.

Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
08/18/15 11:21 pm

Yes! ALL people matter. Behavior and honesty matters. Thugism and bullying should always be challenged and simply put down. The BLM people tried to bully Bernie and he walked off the stage refusing to deal with them.

Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
08/18/15 11:25 pm

Ignorant crap like "Just like your ancestors used to do mine right???" Is just so over the top it completely delegitimates anything the person is trying to say and renders them silent to the ears of the person they are saying it to. Just plain dumb.

lisalashe
08/18/15 11:28 pm

Can you take your friend and start your own thread? I'm tired of seeing notifications for this ignored fool come up on my iPad. Kthnxbi!

ArceusBlitz Left wing Libertarian
08/17/15 5:52 pm

Everyone's having trouble with this stuff. How hard is it for people to acknowledge it and understand that it's happening. Not one candidate has had a real stand or impact on #blacklivesmatter and it's making me upset

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Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
08/18/15 11:13 pm

BLM is irrelevant. They wanted a moment of silence in support of a criminal thug that tried to kill a cop. How stupid is that? They have no credibility.

Spiritof76 USA 1776
08/17/15 4:41 pm

Hard to believe it's 2015 and we have a presidential candidate talking "racial justice", like everything bad that happens in society must have a racial component/motive.

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thatguy2 We tried to warn you
08/17/15 4:48 pm

Go play with your strawman elsewhere.

Spiritof76 USA 1776
08/17/15 6:14 pm

Race baiter. I hear Al Sharpton's looking for a few good new recruits.

thatguy2 We tried to warn you
08/17/15 6:18 pm

Race baiter is a term used exclusively by racists.

Spiritof76 USA 1776
08/17/15 6:30 pm

Race should be eliminated from all official documents, including the US census. I just don't care whether someone is black, white, brown, tan, hispanic, Indian, or whatever the fuck. I care about their character, plain and simple.

thatguy2 We tried to warn you
08/17/15 6:35 pm

And all clouds should be made of cotton candy.

thebarr
08/18/15 9:25 am

I agree with Morgan Freeman. The best way to end racism is to stop talking about it obsessively!

thatguy2 We tried to warn you
08/18/15 9:29 am

Let's apply this same logic to the national debt. It's not a problem if we just ignore it.

thebarr
08/18/15 9:32 am

Except that part is not true. Obsessing over race promotes racism. Talking about the debt does not cause debt.

thatguy2 We tried to warn you
08/18/15 9:35 am

Talking about racism doesn't promote racism. It brings racists out from underneath their rocks.

Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
08/19/15 1:36 pm

Morgan Freeman is a wise person!

Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
08/19/15 1:40 pm

No. "race baiter" is a fitting term that is FACTUAL. Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, BLM, all race baiters. They create problems to try to (and fail to)keep themselves relevant. Just because YOU say it's only used by racists does not make it so.

Shua01 Ohio
08/17/15 4:34 pm

Many "Civil Rights" leaders are all for socialism. It can only help him, as he is a self-identified democratic socialist. Although it will help Bernie, it will hurt the liberty of those whom they claim to represent.

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IDontCare1999
08/17/15 3:55 pm

You have to be a complete moron to think Bernie Sanders has a chance of winning anything. Who cares what he does. Socialist asswipe!!!

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trogit
08/17/15 4:20 pm

Someone doesn't understand socialism.

Shua01 Ohio
08/17/15 4:36 pm

Socialism enslaves, but I'm open to hearing your interpretation of socialism.

Lancelot2032 Houston, Texas
08/17/15 11:19 pm

Just because people are against socialism doesn't mean that they don't understand it. Fascist gets thrown as an insult a lot in SOH, but I doubt most people here know what it means to be a fascist.

awkwardism dissent
08/18/15 11:20 pm

Please for the love of all things holy explain fascism to me! I need to be cleansed in the rhetoric and the wisdom that is you and you alone.

rons screw politicians
08/17/15 3:42 pm

Please don't let Al Sharpton get his Talon's into the old fart. but since Hillary will be out he needs the black vote.

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awkwardism dissent
08/17/15 3:56 pm

What U.S. diplomat let alone the Secretary of State doesn't have proper internet security after 1997?

awkwardism dissent
08/17/15 3:59 pm

Actually that's my entire argument against Hillary. I don't like her.

Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
08/18/15 11:15 pm

Al Sharpton is just a fool celebrity that talks out of his butt.

trav Instagram, travisdover
08/17/15 3:27 pm

I'm not even sure what you mean by that

deeboy39
08/17/15 3:40 pm

I does exist, people always try to cover their eyes and ignore the conversations about race. It's like everyone is 10 years old, and see a shadow in their room, then pulls the covers over their head, hoping its goes away. It's still here people, BOO!

thatguy2 We tried to warn you
08/17/15 3:42 pm

It's an inexplicable, idiotic comment he feels compelled to post in all race related polls.

thebarr
08/18/15 9:27 am

A lot of anthropologists agree with him.

trav Instagram, travisdover
08/18/15 8:46 pm

People are biologically the same despite their race. But race exists. Racism exists, and we need to be aware of it. It may only be as powerful as the meaning we attribute to it but to deny race is ignorant and dangerous.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
08/17/15 3:08 pm

He will be able to have the conversation from the position of an authentic life-long social activist. It might help him a little in his campaign, but having the conversation, addressing the ongoing problem, ultimately helps us all more.

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truenuff
08/17/15 2:43 pm

This guy is a socialist radical nut job. He has 0% chance.

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MakeEmCry Florida
08/17/15 2:46 pm

Please explain.

WorstGooEver Nuke the Hurricanes
08/17/15 2:55 pm

The "crazy old Bernie" trope is lazy and stupid.

MakeEmCry Florida
08/17/15 2:58 pm

Bernie Sanders is, for the left, an elegant return to authentic politics, much like Ron Paul was for the right.

Nikc
08/17/15 3:02 pm

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truenuff
08/17/15 3:15 pm

He has no chance. A total chance of 0.0% chance.

Nikc
08/17/15 3:16 pm

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08/17/15 3:17 pm

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MakeEmCry Florida
08/17/15 3:21 pm

The United States has always been a socialist nation. "We the people, in order to form a more perfect union, promote the general welfare..." Boom unions and welfare. I don't know what to tell you.

WorstGooEver Nuke the Hurricanes
08/17/15 3:22 pm

I wonder if people obsessed with the word "socialist" know his actual policy views

Nikc
08/17/15 3:28 pm

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Nikc
08/17/15 3:29 pm

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truenuff
08/17/15 3:34 pm

Well Nikc
I suppose we shall find out after the election and then we'll see who can make smart ass comments.

truenuff
08/17/15 3:34 pm

Because I guarantee that he WILL NOT WIN.

Nikc
08/17/15 3:35 pm

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MakeEmCry Florida
08/17/15 3:37 pm

Sanders is statistically more populist than any of the Republicans.

Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
08/19/15 1:44 pm

"in order to form a more perfect union, promote the general welfare..." Make: Welfare in the context of the preamble does NOT mean "welfare" as we know it in 2015. The general welfare is synonymous with the overall wellbeing of the people.

johnnycub Bronx
08/17/15 1:52 pm

From what I heard, DeRay is controversial. But his base will probably be ok with it.

WorstGooEver Nuke the Hurricanes
08/17/15 3:25 pm

He's only controversial to people that think racism magically disappeared in the 1960's

roybiker12
08/17/15 1:26 pm

"Socialism is a wonderful idea. It is only as a reality that it has been disastrous."-Thomas Sowell

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awkwardism dissent
08/17/15 2:06 pm

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of vices. I like this one.

awkwardism dissent
08/17/15 2:08 pm

Oh it's Winston Churchill.

cody33
08/17/15 1:19 pm

The only time I feel like racism occurs is when someone tries to make it a huge public issue. Then people take sides. If we just left it alone most people would keep to theirselves.

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WorstGooEver Nuke the Hurricanes
08/17/15 2:59 pm

This is so ignorant. If we don't talk about racism, it doesn't exist. The KKK loves this.

mandiemyztic florida
08/17/15 4:13 pm

It always exists. It tends to do more harm (statistically) when everyone is fighting about it. People can do and say some crazy stuff when they have a point to prove.

WorstGooEver Nuke the Hurricanes
08/17/15 5:57 pm

It does more harm when you shut your eyes and cover your ears so you won't have to feel uncomfortable.

cody33
08/17/15 7:07 pm

I'm not denying that racism exists. I'm just saying people get passionate and take sides when it is raised. Liberals try to make sure everyone's feelings don't get hurt and when they try to do so it turns everybody against each other.

roybiker12
08/17/15 1:06 pm

Sander's has capitulated to the bullies who shouted him down. How would he deal with foreign governments?

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kermie gaytopia
08/17/15 12:57 pm

What a sad commentary that discussing race relations could potentially hurt someone in the polls. :(

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mandiemyztic florida
08/17/15 4:14 pm

Unfortunately it's true. If you piss either side off it can seriously down your chances.

You have to be very careful about what you say or how you say it. Otherwise you'll definitely manage to offend people. A lot of people. It's stupid but true

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
08/17/15 12:39 pm

Race bait'n always endears one to the left.

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AbandonedAccnt Not here.
08/17/15 12:42 pm

He should organize a March. That'll get him some press time too. It'll force Hillary to take on a black accent in order to compete. She may even have to identify as black in order to get the black vote.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
08/17/15 12:44 pm

The two will compete and if it gets close in the race then who knows what could happen. Maybe one of them will declare the watermelon to be a racist fruit and the other will accuse the first of being an out of touch vegetable.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
08/17/15 12:48 pm

Jessie or sharpton could make some money with this. They could offer to certify people as big black and the two competing for business would keep the price down. Personally, I'm now offering a certificate that people are white, or Indian.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
08/17/15 12:48 pm

I can do both of those. Half white + half Indian will cost a little more. It's an extra form. $200.

14573 Scary Numbers
08/17/15 1:07 pm

Accuses others of race baiting

Race baits

Good job

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
08/17/15 1:50 pm

No it doesn't. One has to be a purveyor of it, not merely a reporter.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
08/17/15 1:51 pm

But thanks for the compliment.

14573 Scary Numbers
08/17/15 2:14 pm

Says has to be a purveyor not a reporter

Didn't report real events and used hyperbolic anecdotes.

Was purveying

Even better of a job. Take real determination to have that little self-awareness

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
08/17/15 2:29 pm

You're reasoning Is flawed. One does not become something by accusing someone else of being that something (liar excepted based on actual circumstances). Think about it some more. Maybe it'll clear up in your mind.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
08/17/15 2:30 pm

And it's OK if you disagree with me. You can simply state disagreement instead of make accusations against me. It's much more respectable.

14573 Scary Numbers
08/17/15 3:40 pm

Yeah you didn't become a race baiter in the first comment when you accused others. You became one when in the subsequent three when you, you know, race baited.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
08/17/15 3:47 pm

I don't think you know what that means. I think you just didn't like what I wrote and needed to oppose it somehow, but didn't know what to say.

logan1498 Ohio
08/17/15 12:31 pm

How would this hurt him?

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steelcity Pittsburgh
08/17/15 12:27 pm

I don't know who McKesson is, so it doesn't hurt.

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RoDe Latinus wordsus
08/17/15 12:26 pm

It'll help him, and it could put pressure on Clinton to really address racial issues. Bernie's already getting the enthusiastic liberals, if he could get another coalition of civil rights supporters, she'd be in real trouble.

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TiredofIt Texas
08/17/15 12:04 pm

In Democrat polls yes. In the general, bahahhahaha! He will never be president and this will help republicans even more.

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AKCowboysFan Anchorage m8
08/17/15 12:35 pm

If Trump gets the nomination, he loses. If he doesn't, he runs as an independent and draws enough votes away from the republican candidate and they lose. The Democratic primary is pretty much the general election

TiredofIt Texas
08/17/15 12:37 pm

Lol such static thinking. Trump won't be the nominee and I don't want him to be, but your automatic assumption he runs as an independent just doesn't fit the facts. He most likely won't bc he knows he will lose n the R, unless he's a Democrat plant..

TiredofIt Texas
08/17/15 12:38 pm

He will lose and so will the republican* if that's not clear.

But keep up your fantasy that Dems just totally have it in the bag! It'll be more fun for me come next November!

AKCowboysFan Anchorage m8
08/17/15 12:44 pm

I will keep up with this, because it's true. How does him running as an independent not fit in with the facts when he has specifically refused to say that he won't be doing just that?

TiredofIt Texas
08/17/15 12:53 pm

He said he would run 3rd party if the Republicans didn't treat him right and that was followed by Fox News sucking his wiener and him being on 3 shows in 4 days. If that is being treated badly by the party, I want to be treated bad by the party.....

TomM
08/17/15 11:56 am

I'm not sure it makes a difference unless one of them says or does something outrageous. He had to do something to not look like a racist. It shows he's growing as a candidate.

JGTheMan Here
08/17/15 11:53 am

Social justice, racial justice, environmental or carbon justice is all the same repackaged, stale Marxism, sold to wide-eyed, ideological young folks without telling them about any of the costs, then they all wonder why they don't have jobs.

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thatguy2 We tried to warn you
08/17/15 12:00 pm

Racial justice is gonna cost jobs? Lol. Just throwing all the bs against the wall, eh?

JGTheMan Here
08/17/15 12:01 pm

It's redistribution at its core, so yes. Wake up.

bethanyq Ess Eff
08/17/15 12:16 pm

The reason people are going to wind up without jobs is because in 20 years AI will be able to most of them better and cheaper than most humans. So which government policies do we blame for that?

JGTheMan Here
08/17/15 12:22 pm

That sounds dreamy, but has zero basis in today's reality.

Carolynn new jersey
08/17/15 1:08 pm

Are you for any kind of justice in the world?

bethanyq Ess Eff
08/17/15 2:13 pm

JG, yeah, you're right. I mean, what do jokers like Stephen Hawking and Elon Musk know? They sure don't live in reality! www.techworld.com/news/startups/stephen-hawking-elon-musk-warn-about-rise-of-ai-3593491/

bethanyq Ess Eff
08/17/15 2:15 pm

And automation totally hasn't already revolutionized sectors like manufacturing, shipping, timekeeping, reception work, etc....

AnarchoComrade Anarchist Federation
08/17/15 2:19 pm

Oh no, justice! Whatever will we do?!

Seriously if you believe what you're saying, I think it's about time you learn a little about political theory. This is what bothers me about conservatives, they use their tunnel vision to advocate politics.

suppressedID That is my secret Cap
08/17/15 11:44 am

The only people who would say "hurt" are those who he'd never win over anyway. So it's got to be "help".

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Gunfighter06 Iowa, since 1846
08/17/15 11:39 am

I don't think it'll make a difference. Racism is a manufactured crisis, just like the so-called wage gap. It's all smoke-and-mirrors caused by statistical cherry-picking.

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thatguy2 We tried to warn you
08/17/15 11:41 am

That's what a racist would say.

JGTheMan Here
08/17/15 11:54 am

That's what a realist would say.

deist
08/17/15 11:54 am

I just came back from reading an Article over at the blaze about Tracy Morgan coming back to hist SNL, nothing fake or manufactured about the comments I read there!!

deeboy39
08/17/15 11:59 am

WHAT!!!!!!!!

Gunfighter06 Iowa, since 1846
08/17/15 12:42 pm

Poverty rates for married black couples have been in the single digits since the 1990s.

Nikc
08/17/15 3:27 pm

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bethanyq Ess Eff
08/17/15 11:36 am

Good for Bernie. We need more politicians willing to address this issue in a meaningful way.

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CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
08/17/15 11:36 am

If your "racial justice platform" is anything other than 'equal under the law, no special treatment for any group', then you're an idiot

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bethanyq Ess Eff
08/17/15 12:11 pm

"Equal under the law" and "no special treatment" are actually two totally different things.

WorstGooEver Nuke the Hurricanes
08/17/15 3:19 pm

Who's platform includes giving people special treatment?

bethanyq Ess Eff
08/17/15 3:59 pm

Actually, most platforms do, or at least they endorse it by implication. I've yet to see a serious politician take a stand against Medicare or benefits for vets, for example.

bethanyq Ess Eff
08/17/15 5:07 pm

You can write a law in a manner such that its application is unavoidably inequitable and yet still apply it to everyone equally. There's a famous Anatole France quote speaking to this juxtaposition of formal and substantive equality:

bethanyq Ess Eff
08/17/15 5:08 pm

"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."

Laws that pretend everyone has the same opportunities in life can cause just as much substantive inequality

bethanyq Ess Eff
08/17/15 5:09 pm

as can laws that explicitly discriminate against certain groups of people.

So my point was that a more realistic approach to substantive equality may very well involve treating different groups of people differently. Like retirees or vets.

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
08/17/15 5:40 pm

Ok, but how does that apply to race? Is having a law 'do not murder' inherently unfair because blacks murder more than whites?

bethanyq Ess Eff
08/17/15 6:20 pm

There's a lot packed into your comment that I don't have the energy to unpack, but no, laws against murder aren't what I'm getting at. But unless you're arguing that black people are more naturally prone to murder, you have to evaluate a lot more

bethanyq Ess Eff
08/17/15 6:20 pm

than arrest and conviction statistics to get to the point I'm making.

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
08/17/15 8:02 pm

I'm not arguing that they're more prone to murder. I'm stating a fact that they DO murder more.

Not every fact in the world is politically correct. Not every fact can be explained away with 'rough childhood', 'must be racist judges', etc

bethanyq Ess Eff
08/17/15 8:36 pm

You're awfully stuck on this murderer concept despite the fact I've already said it's not what I'm talking about, and I have no idea why you're ranting about "political correctness." All these things are related in your head?

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
08/17/15 9:40 pm

You said those things weren't the same thing and then started talking about living under bridges, so it's kind of ironic you're being obtuse about the murder connection. It's been in the news quite a bit. 😐

bethanyq Ess Eff
08/17/15 10:17 pm

Actually I mentioned bridges before you started talking about black murderers.

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
08/18/15 8:59 am

I know, it's one of the first things you said. It didn't really fit

bethanyq Ess Eff
08/18/15 1:34 pm

I suppose not, if the only kinds of laws you're considering are criminal laws justified by the harm principle.

brisket Illinois
08/17/15 11:30 am

Hopefully hurt

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Nikc
08/17/15 11:10 am

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Hooah Fmr. Zia
08/17/15 11:10 am

I've already branded Sanders as a failure on this issue. Mostly because of his support group that doesn't understand BLM. He didn't understand it for a while either. Everything he does now is damage control.

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PrinceOberyn Vive LEmpereur
08/17/15 11:09 am

It will definitely help him, but he still won't win. He's got great views and novel approach to politics that I like, but it still is not going to happen.

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PrinceOberyn Vive LEmpereur
08/17/15 11:11 am

However, if Bernie is able to pass Hillary and keep the lead without buckling and accepting the support she gets, I will support him completely.

HitlerWasRight 4th Reich Now
08/17/15 11:03 am

I like how half of the Republicans say hurt. Really? How on Earth could this hurt him. He's only going to keep going up.

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MJSeals J.D.
08/17/15 11:10 am

See: videos where BLM take over people's campaign.

Similar to 1968 when the free love movement did the same the strong but "silent majority" we're very against it. Nixon pinned Humphrey with them and distanced himself and won -- big.

MJSeals J.D.
08/17/15 11:11 am

Regardless of party, regardless of message during presidential runs meeting with people others see as "Radical" hurts you.

14573 Scary Numbers
08/17/15 10:51 am

Not actually sure if it will boost his numbers. He's already very forward on his social issues. I think anyone who'd vote for Bernie for his social actions already is.

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HitlerWasRight 4th Reich Now
08/17/15 11:05 am

Hmm, not really. The majority of people who keep a close eye on him and other candidates know and support him. However, he's still not as well known as Clinton, even though he's rapidly catching up. I think he'll soar even higher come debate time.

thatguy2 We tried to warn you
08/17/15 10:50 am

Can't see why it would hurt. I'm glad this step is being taken and I hope he continues to highlight the recent release of his racial justice platform which is long over due.

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osouless Whats Next
08/17/15 10:49 am

I believe this will boost his support in the black and latino communities. They're, for some reason, not jumping aboard the bern train yet.

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RoDe Latinus wordsus
08/17/15 12:24 pm

At what point is that just going to be your username?

jvc1133 61535
08/17/15 12:31 pm

At selected times, Yes. 😎