Do you think e-cigarettes are just as unhealthy as traditional cigarettes?
They are a bit better but it's a cigarette so it will never be health.y.
Probably not *as* unhealthy, but still unhealthy regardless. We still need to wait for more conclusive research to be done, though.
Better alternative to traditional, but don't do e cigarettes for "fun" because you look like a fag
They're not as bad for the people around you, which is huge for me(nonsmoker).
I just read a scientific study on vaping, and that the nicotine levels can be amped up easily to a point of overdosing. Not only that but the additives are just as toxic as smoking a cigarette.
Lol no you can't overdose on nicotene. And the ingredients are perfectly safe.
Actually you can OD on nicotine, drinking a whole bottle of the highest nicotine leveled juice and it can poison you.
No nicotene isn't supposed to be ingested, that's not an overdose.
E-cigarettes are very unhealthy but not as unhealthy as traditional cigarettes. It's like getting your hand smashed with a hammer vs a sledge hammer, stay away from both.
To ask a really stupid question, to anyone who uses esmokes. do you get addicted to these things? I'm trying to get my sister to try it. She barely smokes as it is.
If it contains nicotine the answer is yes.
If the juice has nicotene
Yes, but it is much easier to quit vaping than it is to quit smoking. The addiction is not as strong.
I'm not sure how accurate Bobby is. In certain types of pens you can decrease the amount of nicotine you take in however nicotine is addictive period and I do know people who started using pens to quit smoking and are now just addicted to the pens.
Well, of course if you amp the nicotine way up it will get you, but I have quit both and from my personal experience vaping was way less addictive. Also, you can kind of "ween" yourself with a vape.
And you can do it wile vaping the same amount of juice and just use lower levels of nicotine. If you are used to vaping juice with 12 mg of nicotine you can drop from 12 to 6 to 3 to 0 and once you get used to 0 mg you can basically quit anytime.
I think it's definitely easier to ween off of than cigarettes. Congrats for quitting!
The most relevant aspect is whether they are unhealthy for innocent bystanders.
No one has the right to smoke, but everyone has the right to breathe cigarette-smoke-free air.
Pure air isnt a right
There is no tar like in cigarettes from second hand, and it quickly dissapates so no
Of course pure air isn't a right, but most pollutants are byproducts of things people actually use, e.g. exhaust from vehicles or power plants. Smoking is nothing more than "I don't care if I make your air dirty as long as I get the smoke I want."
Then don't stand by them. Ecigs don't produce smoke either
I have the right to enter and exit buildings as necessary. Cigarette smokers must not smoke near doors.
E-cigarettes take out the most unhealthy component, tar. To think it would be just as unhealthy doesn't make much sense to me.
I can name all FOUR ingredients in the liquid I am using. Kosher medical grade nicotine, all natural vegetable glycerine, vanilla extract, and linalool. Try naming all the ingredients in any other cigarette, other than American Spirits.
Next, please understand that vaporizers use a PHYSICAL change to evaporate the VG to enable inhalation. Cigarettes use a CHEMICAL change to release SMOKE to inhale. Show me the medical data of one person dying from cooking pasta and I will hush.
Because boiling water is the same principal of vaporizers. It initiates a PHYSICAL change in the water so it is still water. Yes, if you buy a cheap liquid and vaporizer you run the risk of unhealthy vapor, eg all the "studies" that say it is bad.
My PV is guaranteed, waranteed, and my liquid is all natural, made from only FDA approved ingredients that are used in many GRAS products, with the same nicotine that nicorette uses. Yes, nicotine is bad, but to compare cigs to vapes is moot at best.
Probably not, but at least tobacco is a known problem. We really don't know what is in all the e-cigarettes.
Why would they be? No smoke—> bo particulate matter. No particulate matter—>no massive risk of lung cancer.
The ones that contain nicotine are chemically addictive. They can explode and cause permanent damage which I didn't really believe until it happened to someone I know. They are not without risks.
You get what you pay for. Buy a cheap e-cig, run risks.
They don't explode unless you're a dumbass about it
I agree that you get what you pay for but there's also the fact that these aren't very regulated. Rambo the individual I know personally who had this happen is no more of an idiot than any other individual that uses ecigs.
No, there explicit warnings that sellers and the packaging states. You NEVER hold the button down for more than a few seconds, depending on the ohms of the build. It's also dangerous to leave them charged or on in your pocket. No need to judge
All users because of your irresponsible friend.
If these ecigs come with SO many warnings that pretty well proves my point. They can be dangerous.
Cars can be dangerous too if you don't use them responsibly
Maybe but they don't come with a laundry list of warnings so there's that big difference.
Did i say there is a laundry list?
"If these ecigs come with SO many warnings that pretty well proves my point."
Not really. All it proves is they are considered easy targets for lawsuits.
Ha. I read that as cans not cars. (Smudge on my phone). Cars are obviously more dangerous. People die in accidents everyday. I don't see how the danger of cars negates the warnings on ecigs.
As doopy said, these warnings exist to prevent lawsuits
The fact that they can explode in your face is the reason they slapped with law suits. Lol
Yeah you can also kill yourself when pointing a gun at your face. That shit only happens when you use it incorrectly.
Blowing your face off with an ecig because you put the battery in upside down by accident isn't as obvious as pointing a gun to your face and pulling the trigger. Your comparison is ridiculous.
Point is, using accidents as an excuse for something being "dangerous" is just retarded. You can shoot your face accidently easily, but not if you're responsible.
Hey I'm not saying these need to be banned or are particularly more life threatening than other things I'm just pointing out the CAN be hazardous. Adults can pick what hazards they put themselves in.
Blowing your face off with an exploding E-cig battery is as difficult as blowing your face off with an exploding Walkman battery. It can be done, but it's extremely rare and batteries are designed to be difficult to explode.
Yes they're so rare I could spend the rest of the day sharing links about all the cases and reports in the subject.
Now if it's the same as a Walkman (which who is using Walkmans?) you should be able to site at least three links that say so...
"Now if it's the same as a Walkman (which who is using Walkmans?) you should be able to site at least three links that say so..."
No. No one's using Walkmans. Of course there wouldn't be three links about them blowing up.
Your own link describes these accidents as extremely rare, with just 9 serious burns amongst 2.5 million users over a period of five years. The sun is more dangerous than that!
Hey you're the one that wanted to compare them to Walkmans. Of course these incidents aren't happening all the time but they do happen and it's a risk you take. That's all I'm saying and have been saying the entire time.
I've seen someone with most of their teeth taken out so there's no convincing me personally that these are 100% without risk. Good day.
They're still unhealthy, just in a different way. Water vapor isn't supposed to be breathed into your lungs. That's how you get pneumonia.
Have you ever taken a hot shower? The steam from it is, believe it or not, water vapor.
Ban humidity! It causes pneumonia!
They're bad but not as bad as regular cigarettes
Probably more so. Technologically enhances cancer sticks.
You're right. The retards are generally the ones engaging in ad hominem arguments and name calling. 😂😇
Well, I'll alert you to myself. Educated dude alert!
The vast majority of cancer risk from smoking comes from the smoke particles, particulate matter, that get trapped in the lungs like super fine dust. Vaporizers do not produce smoke.
Yeah I don't think ecigs are 100% risk free but their dangers are different from a regular cigarette. I've never met anyone who had a cigarette explode in their face destroying their teeth.....both have their own health risks.
E cigs only explode if you're trying to
Nope ecigs can explode by accident.
Yeah, if you're a dumbass and don't know what you're doing. Your point is moot.
Thanks Doopy - I didn't know that. I'll need to do some research. If you have recommendations I'll listen.
Putting s battery backwards is an accident and can happen to anyone not just a dumbass. Your comment is moot.
It's an accident caused by not knowing what you're doing, throwing my words back at me doesn't mean shit lol
CAN putting a battery in backwards happen to anybody?
Seems that's a safety flaw that requires attention and could probably be fixed easily.
Not really. Putting batteries in things backwards runs a risk of causing them to explode. Do you read the warning labels on your batteries? This is universal.
Okay didn't know that but I'm very careful about assuring batteries are properly installed correctly. Interesting example is my Apple mouse - just changed batteries yesterday and both AA batteries face the same direction. I thought that was unusual.
Mods - ecigs that usually have detachable batteries have it labeled where you put the positive/negative terminal. On mech mods it shows in the instructions. Hell most of the digital ones won't even operate if it's in backwards.
Just as stupid? Sure. Just as unhealthy? I don't believe so. We'll see in 20-30 years.
Common sense would tell you that we don't know just how unhealthy e-cigs are. Real cigarettes have been around for over a century but e-cigs have only come around in the last decade or so. We haven't done enough medical research on e-cig effects yet.
"The AIDs cure is unhealthy, it's common sense, it's only been around 2 hours we don't know the long term effects"
Your satire might actually be funny if you didn't see e-cigs as the "cure" to smoking real cigarettes. Alas, you only sound tired and ignorant. The only "cure" to cigarettes is smoking nothing at all instead of e-cigs that are only half as unhealthy.
Yeah try to tell heavy smokers to just quit,that'll help. You're the ignorant one thinking going cold turkey works.
People are stronger than you think. You assume they have to quit cold turkey. I know of many people who were able to quit by using nicotine patches and gum. But saying that it's better to go to e-cigs than quitting altogether is kind of a cop-out.
No one takes you seriously anyway, bro. You compared e-cigarettes to the cure for AIDS. Just go home lol.
E cigs can cure addictions to nicotene dumbass. I never said you have to keep vaping. You can get a variety of nicotene levels and lower it with time. Gum and patches aren't less dangerous.
If you want to be taken seriously, actually know what you're talking about
Do what you want, man. Keep puffing away for all I care. I've got a party to go to.
It was proven that they are just as bad, if not worse, in the New England Journal of Medicine. Case closed.
Lol bullshit m8
Dude. Go look it up. 10 puffs from a 5 volt vape has almost double the formaldehyde compared to a cigarette.
Funny how formaldehyde isn't an ingredient in eliquid, or in any way formed from the heated liquids. Look up the ingredients i listed below.
It's created by the heating of the liquid. Would you like the link to the article in the most prestigious medical journal in the nation?
Sure post it
Here you are: www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc1413069
and if that doesn't work, the title is Hidden Formaldehyde in E-Cig Aerosols
They found no formaldehyde at normal levels, then cranked up the pen to 5 volts with 3-4 second puffs, which is very long. With those pens you are never supposed to put the volts up to 5.0 , it will burn the coils and taste like shit. Especially
I guess you kind of have a point... the risk is still there though
When you overheat it. The study also failed to mentioned the ohms of the coils, which determines how hot it burns. You will also burn the coils when you press the button and don't inhale, as it needs airflow to work properly.
"It's created by the heating of the liquid."
It's created by OVERheating the liquid. To achieve their results, they had to modify their vaporizers to produce heat well in excess of design parameters.
Otherwise, there were practically no harmful chemicals.
You can smoke all you want, i'm living my lung-disease life all the way past 45. Yes, that includes you e-cig smokers, bless your diseased heart.
Funny how they don't cause heart disease
I wager that almost all of the "Yes" votes came from non-smokers who don't have a clue.
They aren't very well regulated.
Just as it should be
I said yes because we don't really know the long term effects. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter how it compares to smoking. It's not good for you either way.
I think they're still unhealthy, but much better than regular cigarettes...
I haven't gotten sick once in the 2.5 years since I quit smoking and started vaping. Smoking is bad for dental health and hurts your immune system, not to mention throat and lung health.
Wtf?! Water vapor vs actual smoke? Smoke that is loaded with thousands of known carcinogens?? And water vapor is somehow just as dangerous?! Grow up Murica, grow up
Yea agreed. There's still nicotine of course, but e-cigarettes are just so much cleaner.
I just love how NYC banned vaping outdoors in public. As though somehow it actually poses a sliver of a risk to others, even indoors, and there's no litter.. Face palming so hard
And what of the mold growing in your lungs
Moldy lungs? I'm going to need a source for that claim.
I recently took evidence deposition of two board certified pulmonologist where this question was at issue. (One for plaintiff, one for defense) Both of them thought e cigarettes, from a lung standpoint, were benign.
Do they regulate e-cigs?
They do. The FDA have just started regulating months ago.
Not good. Now they're gonna get taxed.
Rather than have god knows what in people's lungs?
We do know what. I listed the ingredients below.
You're very trusting then
I vape daily but I was never huge into cigs and I feel like it is better but that being said I still plan on quitting vaping soon.
USDA grade propelyne glycol and vegetable glycerin, alcohol based flavoring, pharmaceutical grade nicotene. Those are the only ingredients in e-liquid.
As long as they are healthier second hand, I don't care. I won't smoke them. They are much more pleasant second hand though.
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Not as bad but still bad. (Also they're mouth fedoras)
Bahaha "mouth fedoras"! I love it!
Addicting yes. Unhealthy no.
Smoking of any sort is a gross, unappealing habit demonstrating a weak mind. Still, the evidence seems clear that e-cigs are not nearly as harmful to the smoker, second hand smokers or the immediate environment.
read some actual studies about addiction and causes, epidemiology, etc. please - that's a very ignorant statement.
To put anything that's doesn't heal your body is stupid. Only a weak person would smoke. Smoking, dipping and all others things is inferior.
moral - see my previous comment re: ignorance.
If you state that consuming anything that doesn't 'heal' the body is ignorant..Then why not put down that diet coke and sugary/fatty calorie dense food? Your basically calling everyone who's ever had ice cream ignorant. Calorie dense food is horrible
please don't put words in my mouth. my original point was stating or implying anyone with addiction has a "weak mind" is ignorant. period. it shows a very poor understanding of mental illness and health.
Most people are biologically prone to addiction though. It's just those who happen to stumble into a trap that find themselves stuck. Calling them ignorant may not be accurate because their logic is overridden by compulsion.
kman - you're not reading my original point.
it's ignorant to call people addicted to something "weak-minded". significant studies have been done on this. that's all.
There is an advertising campaign trying for years to convince the public it is a more healthy alternative to smoking. Unfortunately studies are starting to show the rate of smoking has not dropped.
The same amount of smoking + a "less damaging" smoking alternative is not good for public health.
There is another campaign funded by big tobacco to spread lies about them claiming they are super dangerous. Are they good for you? No. But not nearly as bad as cigs. But soda is bad for you too. . . I don't see people trying to get those banned.
For your body probably not but since people who smoke them look like idiots you must consider social health risks
Early research suggests they are much safer, maybe even hundreds of times safer. The potential downsides seem relatively few, especially for the the nicotine-free variants. Probably not good for you, but probably not very bad for you either.
E-cigarette users aren't putting tar in their lungs. Everyone who thinks e-cigarettes are just as unhealthy are wrong.
No. But just because a ball-pean is smaller than a sledge doesn't mean you should get in the habit of hitting yourself in the head with hammers.
I think it's a mistake to correlate the category "breathing things" with the category "hitting yourself with hammers".
No. I think vaping is *less* harmful, but still harmful. I put vaping and smokeless tobacco in the same category. I wouldn't do either but anything is better than real cigs.
I heard that chew or smokeless tobacco is actually worse
My view is that e-cigarettes are good for smokers. I had a boss who smoked a pack or two a day and when she started e-cigs, that decreased dramatically. It is however bad for non-smokers because it acts as a gateway to smoke actual cigarettes.
It's not a gateway. If you vape a lot a cigarette will make you cough your ass off.
It haven't been a gateway to me. I've always hated cigarettes and vaping haven't changed my mind in that.
I've been vaping for nearly 2 years now and have noticed no significant difference... From immune health to sports performance (cross country). I will vape, but I will NEVER in a million years touch a cigarette. Vaping doesn't smell like shit
I don't know, but I picked "Yes". I just don't see how inhaled nicotine & the other chemicals can be healthy. I know that betweenness asthma & allergies that I can't tolerate traditional cigarette smoke. I don't know about this vapor, because I
haven't been around it. I do know that I don't plan on trying them. I think time will answer this question better than any of us.
they don't even have to have nicotine, but the real dangerous parts of cigs are the carcinogens (which causes the odor). Vaping doesn't have any of those carcinogens and the smoke is odorless water vapor. The correct answer to this question is 'no'
I'm still not risking it for myself. I'm not planning to avoid someone vaping, like I do someone smoking, but I'm not trying it either.
I agree. I've never smoked anything, cigs, vaping, weed, etc and I have no intention to start. But I've been around vaping and it's really weird to see smoke come out and not smell anything.
If you get the ones that blow big clouds you'll smell it. Usually smells fruity though
I feel better using the vapor. Not sure if is better.
No. Science says otherwise.
Okie, you're an e-denier... 😝
I deny that without reservation. I tried making a reservation, but the place was booked.
Not even close. "Smoke" is much safer than "water vapor".
Lol WORSE not safer my bad!!!!
I was wondering. I thought maybe you worked for a cigarette company or something.
Lol no. I switched them around and wrote it wrong! Whoops!
It's not really something to "think," it just is. Of course.
Idk, but if you're adding nicotine, you might be adding danger.
Nicotine is nicotine. Its arguable but as an ex smoker I think the most harmful substance in cigarettes is the nicotine and it's super addictive nature. For a $3k+/yr habit...it just isn't worth it.
If you want to quit, you need to stop feeding your brain cells nicotine. Make the commitment and quit cold turkey.
Actually, nicotine is one of the least harmful things in cigarettes. It's effects are exceptionally similar to caffeine and caffeine addiction. No, the bad stuff in cigarettes are the other 600 chemicals in them, none of which are in e-cigs.
Sure, but without the nicotine, they wouldn't be a problem. People wouldn't spend 20-30 years smoking something they don't even have any interest in. It's the addictive chemical that causes the harmful dependency and health problems.
No one really says it's bad to smoke one cigarette. It's the life long addiction that kills people.
But, this poll is a comparison between cigarettes w/around 600 chemicals to water vapor w/around 3 FDA approved chemicals. Nicotine is the only common denominator & what I'm saying is that an addiction to nicotine alone w/o the 600 chemicals is not
actually that bad for you. It's not much different than an addiction to caffeine. The problem lies entirely in the distribution method. Cigarettes as a nicotine distribution method are extraordinarily harmful. E-cigs as a distribution method aren't.
I see your point. I guess in this case it comes down to the definition of the world unhealthy. I think it is an unhealthy lifestyle to be addicted to a drug that costs so much, and also unhealthy to be addicted to a use method that kills you.
I wonder if nicotine has any medicinal health benefits.
actually - yes...well possibly.
there's evidence in some studies that show nicotine may help prevent the development of Parkinson's disease and amyloid plaques seen in Alzheimer's type dementia.
Yes, I second that statement. There are still further studies to be done before they'll take nicotine to market for health treatments, but I fully expect it to be used to treat a host of neurological disorders in the future. If you're interested in
some reading on it, I found this article: discovermagazine.com/2014/march/13-nicotine-fix
I smoked for years and switched to vaping. I no longer have a hacking cough, when I spearfish I can hold my breath substantially longer, working out and surfing don't make me hyperventilate, and I don't smell like cigs! All around win!