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political August 15th, 2015 4:18am

Christians: John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Do you have to believe in God to go to Heaven?

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wildcatfan1993 kentucky
08/15/15 8:02 pm

I dont see how this isnt at 100% if you dont believe in god then you obviously dont believe in heaven or at least not a christian one

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mc88 Cleveland OSU
08/15/15 5:20 pm

Whhhhyyyy did you go to the governors mansion?

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mc88 Cleveland OSU
08/15/15 5:15 pm

Well, that statement doesn't say that atheists are unable to go to heaven, just that if you believe in Him you will go to heaven.

boatsnhose New Jersey
08/15/15 3:35 pm

God forgives everyone, even atheists and agnostics.

FarmerManE djent
08/15/15 1:24 pm

It's really simple. Those who accept Christ into their heart go to heaven. Those who do not go to hell

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ran4sh
08/15/15 12:32 pm

Yes. I have no idea why this is controversial. If you believe in another religion then surely they have their own belief of where you go when you die, so why do they get offended when Christians say they aren't going to Heaven?

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iPolitix Political Party Animal
08/15/15 12:41 pm

Yes. I could care less that I won't be on the Nation of Islam's Great Mothership that circles the Earth from space... And frankly I'm kinda relieved I won't be.

jmahippo Texas
08/15/15 9:11 am

Its a combination of both faith and works faith is the very base but you must also have a walk with the lord as well

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TheParthian Omaha, NE
08/15/15 7:46 am

What about areas of the world who have never heard of Jesus? I think they would be judged by their life deeds or given a chance to accept God in heaven.

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LibertyLover Pokemon 201461036800
08/15/15 8:47 am

I guess in this case it depends on your definition of heaven. I believe in a time before the final judgement where everyone will be given a chance to accept Jesus' atonement and choose eternal life, but heaven to me comes after that.

jmahippo Texas
08/15/15 9:12 am

Its our jobs as Christians to reach those parts of the world and spread the word through mission trips. I believe everyone is given a chance at some point in there life

ran4sh
08/15/15 12:35 pm

The Holy Bible clearly says that those who were never exposed to the Word of God are not expected to adhere to it in order to go to Heaven. That is rare but it happens. Of course, this exemption would apply to none of us since we're exposed to it...

ran4sh
08/15/15 12:36 pm

... by reading this question and discussion.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
08/15/15 3:06 pm

Romans 1

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of people who suppress the truth by their unrighteousness,

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
08/15/15 3:06 pm

19 because what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
08/15/15 3:07 pm

20 For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes - his eternal power and divine nature - have been clearly seen, because they are understood through what has been made. So people are without excuse.

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
08/15/15 5:58 am

I have a hard time thinking that God would send people who never had the chance to convert to hell

I also don't believe a just and loving God would send good people who do not worship him to eternal torment.

Just my belief

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Ollie15 young conservative
08/15/15 6:01 am

And that's the belief of my religion. God is merciful. So we believe everyone that didn't know God has the opportunity to accept him in heaven

iPolitix Political Party Animal
08/15/15 9:19 am

Does it matter? I'm not upset that I won't enter Islamic Paradise, Buddhist Nirvana, Jewish Heaven, or Sun Myung Moon's Kingdom of Heaven. Christianity consistently & clearly teaches that only some will enter Heaven--the rest eternal hell. That's OK.

Ollie15 young conservative
08/15/15 7:33 pm

Well how nice of you to say eternal hell is okay for some. Why would God dam half his own people from his presence? That's not just

iPolitix Political Party Animal
08/15/15 8:38 pm

@Ollie, My point being, if you're not a disciple of Jesus, then you don't really care what happens. That's the way it is.

iPolitix Political Party Animal
08/15/15 8:45 pm

The Bible says "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" & "do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?" It is not that God is condemning anyone--everyone is already broken & degenerate. God offers forgiveness

iPolitix Political Party Animal
08/15/15 8:50 pm

It's not that God sends them to Hell--everyone is ALREADY going. That's why Christ came (John 3:16) to try & save us from going to "that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth" "& the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever".

iPolitix Political Party Animal
08/15/15 8:53 pm

...According to the Bible. But if you don't believe in a God, or that Jesus is the Messiah--God the Son, or that the Bible is true, or that you should try to stop living for just yourself & live for God Almighty, Creator of All Things...That's okay.

skinner Wisconsin
08/15/15 5:26 am

No, all roads go through the Son of Man, but every tongue will one day espouse that Christ is Lord.

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political Georgia
08/15/15 6:43 am

How do you interpret John 3:16?

skinner Wisconsin
08/15/15 4:40 pm

All paths to heaven go through Christ, but we know that all tongues will one day confess that Christ is Lord, therefore everyone is ultimately saved.

cowboy Here and There
08/15/15 4:50 am

Jesus is the way to the kingdom of heaven! ๐Ÿ™๐ŸปโœŒ๐Ÿผ๏ธ

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Ollie15 young conservative
08/15/15 4:15 am

This question would have been more interesting if it asked if believing in God is the only criteria for going to heaven...

political Georgia
08/15/15 4:26 am

Please file your compliant at my Secretary's desk. Your complaint will allow you to stay anonymous.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
08/14/15 10:43 pm

John 3:17-21
17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
08/14/15 10:44 pm

18 The one who believes in him is not condemned. The one who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
08/14/15 10:44 pm

19 Now this is the basis for judging: that the light has come into the world and people loved the darkness rather than the light, because their deeds were evil.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
08/14/15 10:44 pm

20 For everyone who does evil deeds hates the light and does not come to the light, so that their deeds will not be exposed.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
08/14/15 10:44 pm

21 But the one who practices the truth comes to the light, so that it may be plainly evident that his deeds have been done in God.

kennabenena life is a blonde moment
08/14/15 10:05 pm

I love John 3:16 ๐Ÿ˜Š One year in CFF we sang a song about it every class.

kennabenena life is a blonde moment
08/14/15 10:29 pm

Stands for "Catholic Faith Formation." It's weekly church class.

SonOfScreen Oregon
08/14/15 9:43 pm

Well, duh! :)

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political Georgia
08/14/15 9:45 pm

I kind of proved it in the poll, didn't I?

political Georgia
08/14/15 9:42 pm

Do y'all like this Biblical discussions?

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political Georgia
08/14/15 9:47 pm

I don't know why I like just about everyone's comments on these Biblical polls even if I disagree with the person on a doctoral belief.

scmama South Carolina
08/15/15 4:35 am

Have you ever done a weekly Bible question? I'd like to see that.

political Georgia
08/15/15 6:42 am

I haven't, but I probably can start.

BamaGirl ROLL TIDE from Arizona
08/15/15 7:44 pm

I do enjoy Biblical discussion provided no one calls us crazy or stupid. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ Legitimate Biblical discussions are always welcome.

116brother
08/14/15 9:41 pm

Of course

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iPolitix Political Party Animal
08/14/15 9:28 pm

According to Christianity, salvation requires one to not only:
โ–ซ"confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Rom10:9

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iPolitix Political Party Animal
08/14/15 9:32 pm

But to actually live your faith as a disciple of Jesus:
โ–ซJesus said, “Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?" Luke 6:46
Because,
โ–ซ"faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead." James 2:17

political Georgia
08/14/15 9:28 pm

Just out of curiosity, what's your interpretation of Ephesians 1:4?

iPolitix Political Party Animal
08/14/15 9:37 pm

Foreknowledge is not predestination. As God is also outside-of-time, God knew you before you were born in-time. He picked you to follow him. God is omniscient, but you have free will to choose & refuse.

political Georgia
08/14/15 9:40 pm

I agree that you do have free will over events in life. That's why Primitive Baptists aren't Presbyterians.

political Georgia
08/14/15 9:41 pm

So did God choose his children before the foundation of the Earth?

iPolitix Political Party Animal
08/14/15 9:44 pm

Yes, Catholicism is easier. Be baptized, confirmed, show up for mass once a year.
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Bam! Ticket to Heaven.

political Georgia
08/14/15 9:44 pm

I love my Catholic friends, but I am a Primitive Baptist. Catholics' doctrine is so far off from my believes. Don't go to Christianity.com to research Primitive Baptists' doctrine either. Whoever wrote on that website is badly misinformed.

SonOfScreen Oregon
08/14/15 9:45 pm

Didn't he choose everyone, but not everyone chooses (believes) him?

SonOfScreen Oregon
08/14/15 9:46 pm

What's a Primitive Baptist? Do you drag your knuckles on the ground? :)

iPolitix Political Party Animal
08/14/15 9:47 pm

I would say that "no one should parish" & God chose everyone to serve him. But not everyone will follow Jesus. "Not everyone...will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

political Georgia
08/14/15 9:49 pm

Let me see if I can find a good source that is more thorough than me.

SonOfScreen Oregon
08/14/15 9:49 pm

Not just one verse. But if you take the verses in Ephesians 1, and put them with the verse about God desiring that nobody would be lost, and then verses that talk about a lost eternity, it all adds up to that in my mind.

political Georgia
08/14/15 9:53 pm

www.oldschoolbaptist.org/DoctrineAndPractice.htm

I read 2 and 3 fairly thoroughly although I'm tired. I think it's a fairly good explanation. I'm sorry guys. I have to go to sleep. I'm going to the Governor's Mansion tomorrow, so pray for

political Georgia
08/14/15 9:53 pm

...me. I'll try to respond to y'all tomorrow.

SonOfScreen Oregon
08/14/15 9:54 pm

And I was just trying to be funny about the knuckle dragging.

SonOfScreen Oregon
08/14/15 9:55 pm

...don't let the bed bugs bite. What should we pray for you?

iPolitix Political Party Animal
08/14/15 9:56 pm

Represent SOH politicals @ the Guv'ners!
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Peace!

political Georgia
08/14/15 9:56 pm

Well, we do have some "knuckle" whatever you said, who believe it is wrong to put a Christmas tree inside the Church.

That's at my Church. I like my Grandmother's Church (same denomination) because it is bigger. They don't fight about Christmas

political Georgia
08/14/15 9:56 pm

...trees.

political Georgia
08/14/15 9:56 pm

To have a safe trip. 4 hour drive.

BamaGirl ROLL TIDE from Arizona
08/14/15 10:04 pm

Sorry, I didn't respond... iPad turned in, because I have an early day tomorrow... I promise I will read and respond tomorrow though.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
08/14/15 10:53 pm

Political- becuz G-d *is* outside space/time/matter, linear time must be removed from the equation. By this standard, G-d see the end from the beginning.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
08/14/15 10:53 pm

Therefore, it isn't that He "predetermines" what *will* happen - as we experience time - He already saw what choices we *made* becuz for Him, time isn't linear - is all the same at the same time.

SonOfScreen Oregon
08/14/15 10:59 pm

Will do Stephen!

Ollie15 young conservative
08/15/15 4:19 am

Ok well I'm Mormon... So yes Christian๐Ÿ˜‰ and we believe there was a premortal state where we lived with God and he taught and we chose to choose him or Satan there. Those who chose God went to earth as a trialed state.

Ollie15 young conservative
08/15/15 4:20 am

But we still have agency here on earth whether to choose God or evil. There was a veil put in our minds so we don't remember the premortal life so we have to make decisions on our own with faith and God.

Ollie15 young conservative
08/15/15 4:21 am

A few scriptures verify a premortal existence as well. Ephesians 1:4... And the scripture that says I knew thee before I formed ye in the belly. Don't know the scripture reference๐Ÿ˜

LibertyLover Pokemon 201461036800
08/15/15 8:55 am

Ollie, you're looking for Jeremiah 1:5

MrsCrayonWax
08/15/15 8:58 am

Poli, does it really matter who's got the better doctrine if all that matters is acceptance of Christ?

iPolitix Political Party Animal
08/15/15 9:08 am

@MrsCray, Never take offense at a little teasing. ๐Ÿ˜‰ Christian is Christian. And while many groups who purport to be "Christian" are not, don't doubt that Catholics aren't.

iPolitix Political Party Animal
08/15/15 9:09 am

A Christian is defined by belief in & imitation of God the Son, Jesus. Doctrine's only purpose is to lead humanity to Christ & increase faith. Any other superfluous tradition added by men is distracting @ best & damning @ worst.

MrsCrayonWax
08/15/15 11:43 am

I like to josh around with Poli. ๐Ÿ˜€. And I agree impolitix!

iPolitix Political Party Animal
08/15/15 2:46 pm

@Chi, What if you're Orthodox or Coptic? Who led them astray from His Holiness' Vicariate of the Holy See?

BamaGirl ROLL TIDE from Arizona
08/15/15 7:12 pm

I'm going to take this one comment at a time...
Political - I think that it is referring to certain types of people, not certain individuals.

BamaGirl ROLL TIDE from Arizona
08/15/15 7:13 pm

The Bible teaches that certain kinds of individuals (those who are holy and love God) have been predestined to be saved (Eph 1:4-5; Rom 8:28-38); however, it is left up to the individual to choose to become such (Rev 22:17; Josh 24:15; Matt 16:24).

BamaGirl ROLL TIDE from Arizona
08/15/15 7:15 pm

I agree with iPolitix first comment.

BamaGirl ROLL TIDE from Arizona
08/15/15 7:40 pm

I agree with Elaina's comments regarding God & time not being linear for Him.

political Georgia
08/14/15 9:19 pm

I believe so.

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