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Show Of Hands August 14th, 2015 1:14am

On fiscal/economic issues in general, where would you rate your own position on the political spectrum?

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Constitution Dallas, Texas
09/06/15 3:53 pm

I'm a libertarian, so I said extremely fiscally conservative.

TheSocialist INTJ
08/18/15 8:01 pm

Communism/socialism is the only way forward.

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ThePraetorian Tennesse
08/21/15 5:49 am

Elasticity of demand?

TheMobius Siberian Gulag
08/22/15 6:47 am

Forward only if you mean off the cliff kind of forward.

TheSocialist INTJ
08/22/15 12:04 pm

Socialism is not bad. Explain why you think it is.

ThePraetorian Tennesse
08/22/15 1:24 pm

Elasticity of demand

Constitution Dallas, Texas
09/06/15 3:53 pm

Are you an actual socialist or are you a Bernie Sanders supporter who fantasizes about being a socialist?

TheMobius Siberian Gulag
08/22/15 6:47 am

Where does that put you on the scale?

ParaguasPato Columbus GA
08/16/15 11:08 am

Wow! I didn't realize how right-centered this app is!

DGroot America
08/19/15 6:50 pm

Then go look at the main social issues poll. It balances this one out.

ladyniner81 no hope for humanity
08/16/15 11:06 am

I am mathematically retarded, but I think I lean a bit right when it comes to fiscal stuff. I pay too much taxes already, due to IRAS and living in NY.

ProfDG I Want Truth
08/16/15 9:00 am

Impossible to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative. Giving people social programs costs money. Cutting these causes pain and politicians don't have the huevos to do this.

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bubbaman
08/17/15 12:51 pm

Not true. We'll run social programs that give people a way out of their situation and back to dignified productivity is fiscally conservative.

TheMobius Siberian Gulag
08/22/15 6:49 am

Bubbaman, you cant have a free market when you have spending on social programs that hurt the population.

LaReine Communist Lesbian
08/16/15 8:38 am

Anarcho-communist. Liberal means different things in different places...

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LetsJustBanGov ohio
08/14/15 10:12 pm

I'm a libertarian. Soooooo.... Liberal technically means "free". Soooo.... Idk.

RadicalJack Anarcho Syndicalist
08/14/15 8:05 pm

I bet all of you conservatives are economic liberals, and all my fellow economic "liberals" are socialists. There's no such thing as conservative economics.

MarketSocialist
08/14/15 8:47 pm

This poll uses modern terminology.

RadicalJack Anarcho Syndicalist
08/14/15 9:48 pm

Modern terminology is wrong.

MarketSocialist
08/14/15 9:49 pm

I agree with you fully, I just wanted to clear up the confusion.

RadicalJack Anarcho Syndicalist
08/14/15 9:52 pm

Oh it didn't confuse me, ha-ha, just mildly annoyed me. I hate how socialists are liberals and liberals are conservatives. It makes would-be socialists confused, like huh? We're for what we're against?

crgtylr
08/14/15 6:17 pm

Smaller government, please.

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Introspection
08/14/15 11:15 am

I said most conservative under the impression that most conservative meant as little govt intervention in the markets as possible.

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Diknak Ohio
08/14/15 9:22 am

It's funny that republicans are of course conservative on this issue but the elected officials at the federal level aren't.

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FloridaDude Jupiter
08/14/15 12:24 pm

You are saying republicans spend more money than democrats? Um

johnnycub Bronx
08/14/15 5:13 pm

No, he's saying that Republican politicians aren't very fiscally conservative.

Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
08/14/15 9:21 am

It is interesting that the most significant differences lay in the gender and party groupings.

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HitlerWasRight 4th Reich Now
08/14/15 7:32 am

I voted 5, just a little bit more than moderate, so maybe 5/6.

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shnibbydawhale Nihilist
08/14/15 7:12 am

Well I'm for absolutely zero government involvement (or existence for that matter) in the economy but that wasn't an option.

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jayblake22
08/14/15 11:09 am

Yep. Let capitalism do what it does. Create jobs, and lower prices through competition.

delta3204 CA
08/14/15 11:56 am

I'm also conservative but a small government is needed. Some corporate leaders r gonna do a lot of illegal stuff with out having any laws.

shnibbydawhale Nihilist
08/14/15 9:34 pm

Delta, corporations can't exist when there is no government. Corporations are a legal deflection of responsibility and without the government to provide that legal impunity, they are responsible for their actions which deters bad behaviors.

Constitution Dallas, Texas
08/14/15 6:30 am

Libertarian/Conservative, so I just said most conservative.

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dmc
08/14/15 5:35 am

Neither. I'm more libertarian

ran4sh
08/15/15 12:57 pm

That would make sense if we were talking about the mainstream left-right scale that indicates both economic and personal liberty, but this question is about just the economic part. Most Libertarians are conservative to moderate on economic issues.

fuhgahwz bourgeois nihilist
08/14/15 3:25 am

Talking about economics within the context of the (false) American political dichotomy is impossible for anyone who isn't a boring centre-right winger like the welfare capitalist democrats or the neoliberal republicans. I'm not "liberal" in any....

fuhgahwz bourgeois nihilist
08/14/15 3:27 am

meaningful sense of the word (American or otherwise), and God knows I'm not "conservative." What's a poor libertarian socialist to do?

Introspection
08/14/15 11:16 am

Neoliberals are not republicans in the majority of cases. They would be libertarians.

maxdude Washington DC
08/14/15 2:36 am

Another example of how Show of Hands is skewed to the right. When Obama won two national elections and this poll shows the country is more conservative...unbelievable

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fuhgahwz bourgeois nihilist
08/14/15 3:29 am

Obama is skewed to the right. If this poll means "left" by "liberal" and "right" by "conservative" Obama is about a 2.5 by any non-laughable international metric.

jayblake22
08/14/15 11:10 am

Max doesn't reply when someone seems smarter than him.

maxdude Washington DC
08/14/15 1:42 pm

What are talking about? On this scale I would give Obama a 5. I think I am further left then that.

ran4sh
08/15/15 12:59 pm

Why the fuck are the political beliefs in other countries relevant to America?

TomM
08/15/15 1:18 pm

Max, on the fiscal question the voters favor the conservative, but did you look at the other poll? There's a liberal majority on social issues.

MurrayHitchens The Truth Wins Out
08/13/15 11:40 pm

1.25 the least amount of theft we can get away with while still protecting individual rights.

JihadWatch
08/13/15 10:37 pm

I do kind of wonder how anarchist socialists would answer this question.

Notgiven Weeeeeeeeh
08/13/15 11:34 pm

i'm not sure about the anarchist part but socialist, definitly.
i voted 2

TomM
08/13/15 11:36 pm

A socialist would be 7 here. Anarchist socialist is an oxymoron to me.

Notgiven Weeeeeeeeh
08/13/15 11:41 pm

a socialist being liberal? then what's bernie doing? he's definitly a "democratic socialist" but wants to tax the rich. i call that a conservative idea. you don't?

TomM
08/14/15 5:06 am

Democratic socialist may be opposite to totalitarian socialist, not sure. In the U.S. a liberal is on the same end of the spectrum as a liberal. I don't think I get what you're saying.

ran4sh
08/15/15 1:01 pm

Taxing the rich is a liberal (I.e. "progressive ") idea. A 7 on this scale

coloradogirl
08/13/15 10:29 pm

If you turn your device on its side, the data are skewed. How interesting.

TomM
08/13/15 11:39 pm

Can you describe that a little further? Skewed how? What device are you using? Have you updated to the latest version of SoH?

Spiritof76 USA 1776
08/13/15 9:54 pm

Fiscal Conservative. Cut spending, lower taxes. Flat tax. Eliminate the Fed, HHS, Homeland sec, education, energy, etc. End Gov't subsidies to Corporations and certain industries. Significantly lower entitlement and military spending.

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Spiritof76 USA 1776
08/13/15 9:58 pm

And, most importantly, balance the fucking budget! This has been done for 4 years in the late '90's. Worked pretty well.

Krystina Let Freedom Reign
08/14/15 8:57 am

^this^ And thank you for saving me a lot of typing. 😊

Krystina Let Freedom Reign
08/14/15 8:57 am

Oh, except, I'd prefer a consumption tax rather than flat tax, but flat tax would be a step in the right direction.

LeftLibertarian The Age of Outrage
08/13/15 9:46 pm

As a libertarian socialist, I break the living fuck out of this scale, I would be like a 30 or higher...

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TomM
08/13/15 10:04 pm

Can you describe for us what your ideal society would look like.

LeftLibertarian The Age of Outrage
08/13/15 10:34 pm

It would be one without the state or capitalism based primarily on non hierarchical free association, which I argue would translate to social conditions like direct consensus democracy, worker self management, democratic schooling and housing, etc.

johnnycub Bronx
08/13/15 9:44 pm

I voted 2. I want a balanced budget, less government involvement, freer market, less taxes, a flat tax or the FairTax. Pretty much the libertarian fiscal policy.

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suppressedID That is my secret Cap
08/13/15 9:42 pm

I'm radical: I think about the return on investment decades down the road, instead of the myopic reactionary policy.

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Gunfighter06 Iowa, since 1846
08/13/15 9:27 pm

I support repealing the 16th Amendment, eliminating federal income taxes entirely, abolishing the Federal Reserve, returning to the Gold Standard, scaling back the federal government to its pre-1913 size, and abolishing all federal welfare programs.

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Gunfighter06 Iowa, since 1846
08/13/15 9:30 pm

Oh, and by ending welfare, I mean corporate welfare too. No more no-bid contracts, no more tax breaks, no more subsidies, no more revolving-door system between corporations and the bureaucracy.

Gunfighter06 Iowa, since 1846
08/13/15 9:31 pm

It is extremely disturbing that we have FDA officials and Supreme Court justices (Thomas) who used to work for Monsanto, and that's just one example. We need stronger laws to protect against conflicts-of-interest.

scrpnHOG Arizona
08/13/15 9:46 pm

A lot of people still think we have the gold standard.

TomM
08/13/15 10:06 pm

Without federal reserve who manages the gold standard?

TomM
08/13/15 10:08 pm

"no more revolving-door system..." Should people who have had a job in the private sector be prevented from getting a job with the government and/or opposite? I believe the government would do better if they had more business people.

DocLove
08/14/15 12:16 am

Agree with everything.

shygal47 Florida east coast
08/14/15 6:26 am

Gunfighter06: HG Wells has a time machine waiting for you.

osouless Whats Next
08/13/15 9:22 pm

If this doesn't confirm the conservative bias this app has, nothing does.

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TomM
08/13/15 10:09 pm

Did you also look at the other poll.

pd10ro94 Washington
08/14/15 11:05 am

Being fiscally conservative does not mean that you are a republican. And even if there were more conservatives on the app than liberals, I don't really see the problem, it's not like anyone actually takes poll results to heart.

blainehunter Washington
08/13/15 8:42 pm

You do realize that there is more ecenomic systems than capitalism, and regulated capitalism right?

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Gunfighter06 Iowa, since 1846
08/13/15 9:23 pm

Well, no successful systems. There's a reason why the Soviet Union collapsed, and that reason is economics.

blainehunter Washington
08/13/15 9:24 pm

>implying that there still is only 3 ways to do anything

Gunfighter06 Iowa, since 1846
08/13/15 9:28 pm

No, I implied that any system that is any more state-controlled than a variant of capitalism has been historically prone to failure.

Agonist Iowa
08/13/15 8:41 pm

End corporate welfare = most liberal = me!

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MarketSocialist
08/13/15 8:43 pm

Ending corporate welfare is a libertarian ideal, not a progressive one.

eunit994 203
08/14/15 5:49 am

AnCap it is both. Like many things, it exists in the realm of multiple ideologies.

eunit994 203
08/14/15 5:53 am

That's just like saying "cutting military spending is a libertarian idea, not a progressive one."

MarketSocialist
08/14/15 10:48 am

Eunit, it is.....progressives have the social values of a libertarian.

MarketSocialist
08/14/15 4:36 pm

The political spectrum has two axis', left/rught and authouritarian/libertarian. Defunding the military is inherently a libertarian ideal.

eunit994 203
08/14/15 4:41 pm

Anything on the left side of the political spectrum is liberal. According to the spectrum, Libertarians are socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

Agonist Iowa
08/14/15 4:43 pm

Just admit it. Libertarians can be liberal too.

MarketSocialist
08/14/15 5:59 pm

Eunit, on the political spectrum I use (politicalcompass.org), left/right are PURELY economic things. Thus, social conservatism = anti-libertarianism.

eunit994 203
08/14/15 7:43 pm

Basically all political issues are economic issues. I took it, I got -4 right/left, -6 Authoritarian/Libertarian.

MarketSocialist
08/14/15 9:54 pm

How is abortion an economic issue? Lol.

eunit994 203
08/15/15 8:09 am

Economics looks at the numbers. Abortion rates, birth rates, teen pregnancies, birth rates by socioeconomic status ect. Stuff that indirectly effects the economy.

Some people think economics is just interest rates and price floors. That's not true.

eunit994 203
08/15/15 8:12 am

Economics is basically the study of people and how they make decisions. abortion is an economic decisions much more than a social or moral decision.

JihadWatch
08/13/15 8:30 pm

I'm support a balanced budget amendment, but not only that, I also support an amendment limiting the number of pages in our tax code. I support allowing people to opt out of Social Security and Medicare and letting people buy health insurance across

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JihadWatch
08/13/15 8:33 pm

state lines, Obamacare needs to be abolished, education spending and the EPA must be eliminated, I support shifting the defense spending from around the world to our own country, and I support cutting foreign aid.

jesseferrr knoxville, TN
08/13/15 8:38 pm

Cutting education spending huh? Smart

JihadWatch
08/13/15 8:43 pm

I advocate cutting education spending at the Federal level, not the state level. I'm actually considering running for office with a radical idea to try to improve my state's public schools (and supporting school choice in the process)

JihadWatch
08/13/15 8:44 pm

The federal government has no constitutional role in the education process by the 10th amendment.

ThomasJefferson Republic of Texas
08/13/15 8:21 pm

I guess Austrian free-market would "extreme conservatism" according to SOH

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skinner Wisconsin
08/13/15 8:15 pm

I'll rate myself a two

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man1234
08/13/15 8:08 pm

It bothers me the term fiscally conservative is associated with conservatives. Some of us are too dumb to realize that. I just want fiscal responsibility. Cut / reduce unnecessary programs, balance budget, common sense tax code, welfare reform, etc.

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johnnycub Bronx
08/13/15 9:36 pm

Just think of it as

"most liberal"=complete planned/state-controlled economy

"most conservative"=free market

That's what I did.

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08/13/15 8:03 pm

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MarketSocialist
08/13/15 8:06 pm

Cut all foreign aid, cut the military by 95%, remove all military bases in other countries and sell off the equipment to Switzerland or something. Remove all forms of income tax and replace them with a national sales tax with exemptions for bread/mil

MarketSocialist
08/13/15 8:08 pm

...k and other essentials so that the poor do not suffer.

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08/13/15 8:09 pm

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08/13/15 8:12 pm

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08/13/15 8:12 pm

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scrpnHOG Arizona
08/13/15 7:53 pm

The NEW American Greed. Socialism.
Can't earn it. 😒Take it from someone that can. 😈

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MarketSocialist
08/13/15 8:05 pm

That's not socialism. I am a socialist. If you implemented my system tomorrow, the lazy people would starve. The goal of socialism is to give everyone equal opportunity, so that lazy people have no excuse and thus can be allowed to starve.

htcbump Florida
08/13/15 8:09 pm

AnCap....that definition of socialism is yours alone. It is the control or ownership of the means of production by the state...like Cuba, Zimbabwe, and Venezuela for example.

MarketSocialist
08/13/15 8:14 pm

Htc, wrong. Anyone who's ever read any socialist literature will know that. It is the WORKER ownership of the means of production. In leftist jargon, what you're talking about is referred to as State capitalism.

sea California
08/13/15 8:21 pm

AnCap you must have fights constantly with other socialists. What ever happened to "to each according to his needs?"

htcbump Florida
08/13/15 8:25 pm

Socialists in their "literature" try to disguise things aka propaganda. This is because any free man in his right mind would never put up with it, except those that don't want to take responsibility for their own lives.

MarketSocialist
08/13/15 8:26 pm

Sea, there are many different branches of socialism, and that quote does not mean what it seems to mean. If you look at the entire quote, in context, it essentially means "People who give their all get it all, people who do not give it all get nothin

sea California
08/13/15 8:30 pm

That may be true ancap, but that is not the commonly accepted definition of socialism. Ask 100 people off the street what socialism means, I bet 90% will say everyone is economically equal in result (not opportunity.)

scrpnHOG Arizona
08/13/15 8:40 pm

What is public ownership? I have to ask you if I can start a company and you own it too you tell me who I can hire or fire.

MarketSocialist
08/13/15 8:41 pm

Ask 100 people off the streets what Hawking radiation is, I bet thwy won't tell you the right one. Just because the populace is uninformed does not mean I am wrong.

MarketSocialist
08/13/15 8:43 pm

Scrpn, public ownership =/= worker ownership.

blainehunter Washington
08/13/15 8:44 pm

I doubt you can even define socialism

htcbump Florida
08/13/15 8:49 pm

AnCap...go to peer reviewed wiki and get your answer. It is nothing like you said. Saying workers own the totalitarian govt is absurd but often stated.

scrpnHOG Arizona
08/13/15 8:52 pm

Like unions a lot like Detroit? Or more like a fantasy world where everyone is happy.

MarketSocialist
08/14/15 10:47 am

Htc, I prefer to get my answers from socialist literature, not a bunch of dumbfucks who pretend they've read the literature. Totalitarian government? What a crock of shit.

MarketSocialist
08/14/15 10:49 am

HOG, detroit is a capitalist economy....

MarketSocialist
08/14/15 10:53 am

Blainehunter, the socialist definition of socialism (not the bullshit the government made up on the cold war) is "An economic system where the proletariat DIRECTLY control the means of production".

blainehunter Washington
08/14/15 10:55 am

Ancap i wasn't addressing you but thank you for actually knowing ahha

MarketSocialist
08/14/15 10:55 am

My sincerest apologies good sir :)

Zod Above Pugetropolis
08/13/15 7:42 pm

I'd guess about a 6 on this scale, about an 8 on a 1-10.

MJSeals J.D.
08/13/15 7:40 pm

.…yeah I don't need to answer this. Fiscal policy drives me politically.

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EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
08/13/15 7:36 pm

6. Imm sure there is someone out there more spending happy (for the people, not the military) so I'll let them take the 7.

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Kneske College Station, TX
08/13/15 7:30 pm

I'd say between the two extremes of the spectrum, Conservatives know what their doing (fiscally).

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JGTheMan Here
08/13/15 7:16 pm

The modern liberal is misnamed, they have zero in common with classic liberals and liberty, the root of the label. They are much more closely aligned with Soviet era totalitarians.

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AnarchoComrade Anarchist Federation
08/13/15 7:17 pm

Same with libertarian

sea California
08/13/15 8:22 pm

Words change over time. Look up the definition of Gay...

evoecon nearest binary system
08/13/15 7:15 pm

Economic issues are social issues. There is no difference between them.

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laxgoalie Cleveland
08/13/15 7:35 pm

Income inequality is a late factor in racism and almost a all other social issues

evoecon nearest binary system
08/13/15 7:36 pm

To achieve Liberal Social policies, the actions are seldom fiscally conservative.

evoecon nearest binary system
08/13/15 7:38 pm

To pursue the Progressive/Liberal economic justice has actions which are not conservative fiscally.

evoecon nearest binary system
08/13/15 8:20 pm

Inequality between people working the same job or inequality between different types of jobs in an industry.

laxgoalie Cleveland
08/14/15 12:30 pm

Income inequality between the upper class and the working poor which is a major problem

evoecon nearest binary system
08/14/15 12:34 pm

What would I come equality look like?

laxgoalie Cleveland
08/14/15 4:02 pm

The death of the middle class due to the rising wages of CEOs and the lowering ones if everyone else

evoecon nearest binary system
08/14/15 4:16 pm

What would income EQUALITY look like?

laxgoalie Cleveland
08/14/15 5:54 pm

A middle class or if you really want to go for it communism