On fiscal/economic issues in general, where would you rate your own position on the political spectrum?
I'm a libertarian, so I said extremely fiscally conservative.
Communism/socialism is the only way forward.
Elasticity of demand?
Forward only if you mean off the cliff kind of forward.
Socialism is not bad. Explain why you think it is.
Elasticity of demand
Are you an actual socialist or are you a Bernie Sanders supporter who fantasizes about being a socialist?
I'm a nazi sooo
Where does that put you on the scale?
Two or three.
Wow! I didn't realize how right-centered this app is!
Then go look at the main social issues poll. It balances this one out.
I am mathematically retarded, but I think I lean a bit right when it comes to fiscal stuff. I pay too much taxes already, due to IRAS and living in NY.
Impossible to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative. Giving people social programs costs money. Cutting these causes pain and politicians don't have the huevos to do this.
Not true. We'll run social programs that give people a way out of their situation and back to dignified productivity is fiscally conservative.
Bubbaman, you cant have a free market when you have spending on social programs that hurt the population.
Anarcho-communist. Liberal means different things in different places...
Balance the budget already!
4: Most Moderate
I'm a libertarian. Soooooo.... Liberal technically means "free". Soooo.... Idk.
I bet all of you conservatives are economic liberals, and all my fellow economic "liberals" are socialists. There's no such thing as conservative economics.
This poll uses modern terminology.
Modern terminology is wrong.
I agree with you fully, I just wanted to clear up the confusion.
Oh it didn't confuse me, ha-ha, just mildly annoyed me. I hate how socialists are liberals and liberals are conservatives. It makes would-be socialists confused, like huh? We're for what we're against?
Smaller government, please.
I said most conservative under the impression that most conservative meant as little govt intervention in the markets as possible.
It's funny that republicans are of course conservative on this issue but the elected officials at the federal level aren't.
You are saying republicans spend more money than democrats? Um
No, he's saying that Republican politicians aren't very fiscally conservative.
It is interesting that the most significant differences lay in the gender and party groupings.
I voted 5, just a little bit more than moderate, so maybe 5/6.
The average is pi
Well I'm for absolutely zero government involvement (or existence for that matter) in the economy but that wasn't an option.
Yep. Let capitalism do what it does. Create jobs, and lower prices through competition.
I'm also conservative but a small government is needed. Some corporate leaders r gonna do a lot of illegal stuff with out having any laws.
Delta, corporations can't exist when there is no government. Corporations are a legal deflection of responsibility and without the government to provide that legal impunity, they are responsible for their actions which deters bad behaviors.
Libertarian/Conservative, so I just said most conservative.
Neither. I'm more libertarian
That would make sense if we were talking about the mainstream left-right scale that indicates both economic and personal liberty, but this question is about just the economic part. Most Libertarians are conservative to moderate on economic issues.
Talking about economics within the context of the (false) American political dichotomy is impossible for anyone who isn't a boring centre-right winger like the welfare capitalist democrats or the neoliberal republicans. I'm not "liberal" in any....
meaningful sense of the word (American or otherwise), and God knows I'm not "conservative." What's a poor libertarian socialist to do?
Neoliberals are not republicans in the majority of cases. They would be libertarians.
Another example of how Show of Hands is skewed to the right. When Obama won two national elections and this poll shows the country is more conservative...unbelievable
Obama is skewed to the right. If this poll means "left" by "liberal" and "right" by "conservative" Obama is about a 2.5 by any non-laughable international metric.
Max doesn't reply when someone seems smarter than him.
What are talking about? On this scale I would give Obama a 5. I think I am further left then that.
Why the fuck are the political beliefs in other countries relevant to America?
Max, on the fiscal question the voters favor the conservative, but did you look at the other poll? There's a liberal majority on social issues.
1.25 the least amount of theft we can get away with while still protecting individual rights.
I do kind of wonder how anarchist socialists would answer this question.
i'm not sure about the anarchist part but socialist, definitly.
i voted 2
A socialist would be 7 here. Anarchist socialist is an oxymoron to me.
a socialist being liberal? then what's bernie doing? he's definitly a "democratic socialist" but wants to tax the rich. i call that a conservative idea. you don't?
Democratic socialist may be opposite to totalitarian socialist, not sure. In the U.S. a liberal is on the same end of the spectrum as a liberal. I don't think I get what you're saying.
Taxing the rich is a liberal (I.e. "progressive ") idea. A 7 on this scale
If you turn your device on its side, the data are skewed. How interesting.
Can you describe that a little further? Skewed how? What device are you using? Have you updated to the latest version of SoH?
Fiscal Conservative. Cut spending, lower taxes. Flat tax. Eliminate the Fed, HHS, Homeland sec, education, energy, etc. End Gov't subsidies to Corporations and certain industries. Significantly lower entitlement and military spending.
And, most importantly, balance the fucking budget! This has been done for 4 years in the late '90's. Worked pretty well.
^this^ And thank you for saving me a lot of typing. 😊
Oh, except, I'd prefer a consumption tax rather than flat tax, but flat tax would be a step in the right direction.
As a libertarian socialist, I break the living fuck out of this scale, I would be like a 30 or higher...
Can you describe for us what your ideal society would look like.
It would be one without the state or capitalism based primarily on non hierarchical free association, which I argue would translate to social conditions like direct consensus democracy, worker self management, democratic schooling and housing, etc.
I voted 2. I want a balanced budget, less government involvement, freer market, less taxes, a flat tax or the FairTax. Pretty much the libertarian fiscal policy.
I'm radical: I think about the return on investment decades down the road, instead of the myopic reactionary policy.
I support repealing the 16th Amendment, eliminating federal income taxes entirely, abolishing the Federal Reserve, returning to the Gold Standard, scaling back the federal government to its pre-1913 size, and abolishing all federal welfare programs.
Oh, and by ending welfare, I mean corporate welfare too. No more no-bid contracts, no more tax breaks, no more subsidies, no more revolving-door system between corporations and the bureaucracy.
It is extremely disturbing that we have FDA officials and Supreme Court justices (Thomas) who used to work for Monsanto, and that's just one example. We need stronger laws to protect against conflicts-of-interest.
A lot of people still think we have the gold standard.
Without federal reserve who manages the gold standard?
"no more revolving-door system..." Should people who have had a job in the private sector be prevented from getting a job with the government and/or opposite? I believe the government would do better if they had more business people.
Agree with everything.
Gunfighter06: HG Wells has a time machine waiting for you.
If this doesn't confirm the conservative bias this app has, nothing does.
Did you also look at the other poll.
Being fiscally conservative does not mean that you are a republican. And even if there were more conservatives on the app than liberals, I don't really see the problem, it's not like anyone actually takes poll results to heart.
You do realize that there is more ecenomic systems than capitalism, and regulated capitalism right?
Well, no successful systems. There's a reason why the Soviet Union collapsed, and that reason is economics.
>implying that there still is only 3 ways to do anything
No, I implied that any system that is any more state-controlled than a variant of capitalism has been historically prone to failure.
End corporate welfare = most liberal = me!
Ending corporate welfare is a libertarian ideal, not a progressive one.
AnCap it is both. Like many things, it exists in the realm of multiple ideologies.
That's just like saying "cutting military spending is a libertarian idea, not a progressive one."
Eunit, it is.....progressives have the social values of a libertarian.
It's obviously both.
The political spectrum has two axis', left/rught and authouritarian/libertarian. Defunding the military is inherently a libertarian ideal.
Anything on the left side of the political spectrum is liberal. According to the spectrum, Libertarians are socially liberal and fiscally conservative.
Just admit it. Libertarians can be liberal too.
Of course they can
Eunit, on the political spectrum I use (politicalcompass.org), left/right are PURELY economic things. Thus, social conservatism = anti-libertarianism.
Basically all political issues are economic issues. I took it, I got -4 right/left, -6 Authoritarian/Libertarian.
How is abortion an economic issue? Lol.
Economics looks at the numbers. Abortion rates, birth rates, teen pregnancies, birth rates by socioeconomic status ect. Stuff that indirectly effects the economy.
Some people think economics is just interest rates and price floors. That's not true.
Economics is basically the study of people and how they make decisions. abortion is an economic decisions much more than a social or moral decision.
I'm support a balanced budget amendment, but not only that, I also support an amendment limiting the number of pages in our tax code. I support allowing people to opt out of Social Security and Medicare and letting people buy health insurance across
state lines, Obamacare needs to be abolished, education spending and the EPA must be eliminated, I support shifting the defense spending from around the world to our own country, and I support cutting foreign aid.
Cutting education spending huh? Smart
I advocate cutting education spending at the Federal level, not the state level. I'm actually considering running for office with a radical idea to try to improve my state's public schools (and supporting school choice in the process)
The federal government has no constitutional role in the education process by the 10th amendment.
I guess Austrian free-market would "extreme conservatism" according to SOH
I'll rate myself a two
It bothers me the term fiscally conservative is associated with conservatives. Some of us are too dumb to realize that. I just want fiscal responsibility. Cut / reduce unnecessary programs, balance budget, common sense tax code, welfare reform, etc.
Just think of it as
"most liberal"=complete planned/state-controlled economy
"most conservative"=free market
That's what I did.
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Cut all foreign aid, cut the military by 95%, remove all military bases in other countries and sell off the equipment to Switzerland or something. Remove all forms of income tax and replace them with a national sales tax with exemptions for bread/mil
...k and other essentials so that the poor do not suffer.
The NEW American Greed. Socialism.
Can't earn it. 😢Take it from someone that can. 😈
That's not socialism. I am a socialist. If you implemented my system tomorrow, the lazy people would starve. The goal of socialism is to give everyone equal opportunity, so that lazy people have no excuse and thus can be allowed to starve.
AnCap....that definition of socialism is yours alone. It is the control or ownership of the means of production by the state...like Cuba, Zimbabwe, and Venezuela for example.
Htc, wrong. Anyone who's ever read any socialist literature will know that. It is the WORKER ownership of the means of production. In leftist jargon, what you're talking about is referred to as State capitalism.
AnCap you must have fights constantly with other socialists. What ever happened to "to each according to his needs?"
Socialists in their "literature" try to disguise things aka propaganda. This is because any free man in his right mind would never put up with it, except those that don't want to take responsibility for their own lives.
Sea, there are many different branches of socialism, and that quote does not mean what it seems to mean. If you look at the entire quote, in context, it essentially means "People who give their all get it all, people who do not give it all get nothin
That may be true ancap, but that is not the commonly accepted definition of socialism. Ask 100 people off the street what socialism means, I bet 90% will say everyone is economically equal in result (not opportunity.)
What is public ownership? I have to ask you if I can start a company and you own it too you tell me who I can hire or fire.
Ask 100 people off the streets what Hawking radiation is, I bet thwy won't tell you the right one. Just because the populace is uninformed does not mean I am wrong.
Scrpn, public ownership =/= worker ownership.
I doubt you can even define socialism
AnCap...go to peer reviewed wiki and get your answer. It is nothing like you said. Saying workers own the totalitarian govt is absurd but often stated.
Like unions a lot like Detroit? Or more like a fantasy world where everyone is happy.
Htc, I prefer to get my answers from socialist literature, not a bunch of dumbfucks who pretend they've read the literature. Totalitarian government? What a crock of shit.
HOG, detroit is a capitalist economy....
Blainehunter, the socialist definition of socialism (not the bullshit the government made up on the cold war) is "An economic system where the proletariat DIRECTLY control the means of production".
Ancap i wasn't addressing you but thank you for actually knowing ahha
My sincerest apologies good sir :)
I'd guess about a 6 on this scale, about an 8 on a 1-10.
.…yeah I don't need to answer this. Fiscal policy drives me politically.
6. Imm sure there is someone out there more spending happy (for the people, not the military) so I'll let them take the 7.
I'd say between the two extremes of the spectrum, Conservatives know what their doing (fiscally).
I'd say 5
The modern liberal is misnamed, they have zero in common with classic liberals and liberty, the root of the label. They are much more closely aligned with Soviet era totalitarians.
Same with libertarian
Words change over time. Look up the definition of Gay...
Economic issues are social issues. There is no difference between them.
Income inequality is a late factor in racism and almost a all other social issues
To achieve Liberal Social policies, the actions are seldom fiscally conservative.
To pursue the Progressive/Liberal economic justice has actions which are not conservative fiscally.
Inequality between people working the same job or inequality between different types of jobs in an industry.
Income inequality between the upper class and the working poor which is a major problem
What would I come equality look like?
The death of the middle class due to the rising wages of CEOs and the lowering ones if everyone else
What would income EQUALITY look like?
A middle class or if you really want to go for it communism