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smarttexan August 9th, 2015 11:42pm

Deuteronomy 15:1 (and Matthew 5:1-11) says that every seven years creditors should cancel all debts and release people from the need to pay them back. Why is this verse not quoted and practiced but the verse about a man not laying with a man is?

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nicnerd
08/14/15 5:00 pm

Because civil law,and biblical law are two different things, and thank goodness because the penalty for wearing polyester/cotton blend, would be death!

lovesquirt Hawkeyes
08/12/15 1:16 pm

The money lenders will have none of that

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shygal47 Florida east coast
08/11/15 10:04 am

Because it doesn't fit with what the GOP prefers .... Money, more money, mergers, and more money. Today's business culture is a repeat of what took place during the Gilded Age and ended in the Great Depression.

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mskelly007
08/10/15 11:14 am

Most Christians do not read the bible; they receive their instruction from their parents.
And most people would rather appear outwardly pious at no cost to themselves, than to suffer hardship in pursuit of His will.

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dfish at home
08/12/15 5:57 pm

Generalizing at its best (or worst)

Doopy Remedial Americanism
08/10/15 8:47 am

Because it was civil law, not moral law. Civil law isn't immutable.

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smarttexan More Moderate Than U
08/10/15 4:21 pm

What? So the biblical text is not moral law?

Doopy Remedial Americanism
08/10/15 11:41 pm

Not that part. Neither are the genealogies.

Doopy Remedial Americanism
08/11/15 5:46 am

That doesn't follow. God can say things besides immutable moral law.

smarttexan More Moderate Than U
08/11/15 5:48 am

It follows solidly. Gods word is his will.

Doopy Remedial Americanism
08/11/15 5:49 am

Are you really this dumb?

smarttexan More Moderate Than U
08/11/15 5:53 am

I'm not the one who calls people names.

Doopy Remedial Americanism
08/11/15 5:56 am

Better to be the one who calls names, than the one who deserves them.

Your argument is crap. A small child could shoot it full of holes.

smarttexan More Moderate Than U
08/11/15 6:03 am

My comment is solid. You can't have it both ways.

teachinla California
08/10/15 8:42 am

Because loans have gotten much larger and more complicated than 2,500 years ago. Also, no one wants to have to pay off their loan in under seven years.

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snozwaffer Dove Canyon, CA
08/10/15 8:17 am

The difference is between a mosaic law and a levitical law. Mosaic laws came from God and levitical laws helped govern the people.

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corino Utah
08/10/15 7:51 am

Because instead of asking for debts to be canceled every few years most Christian factions want debts to be cancelled all the time.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
08/10/15 7:17 am

You're just like most religious people - pick and choose the verses you like - the ones that support your beliefs and lifestyle.

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rons screw politicians
08/10/15 5:49 am

Because it's stupid. Caters to the lazy.

HappyLez No Worries... Be Happy
08/10/15 4:43 am

They don't "like" that one
They can't use it against homosexuals
And they're too stupid to use it to help themselves...

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LeftLibertarian The Age of Outrage
08/10/15 4:31 am

Because it isn't beneficial to them to follow that...😐

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drself Gated Community
08/10/15 4:19 am

This has to do with slavery and even dividing the land between the tribes.
God wanted to preserve the people of Israel and there land.
Once Jesus died and rose, the law of the Old Testament was fulfilled.
Matthew say nothing about this.

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mynamehere69 South Carolina
08/10/15 3:22 am

It's all about the $$$$$$

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jlong105 Indiana
08/10/15 1:48 am

Did you not ever wonder where the seven year rule for bankruptcy came from. Not to mention most vehicle loans max out at seven years.

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Sting716 Libertarian Golden Flash
08/09/15 9:43 pm

Radical atheists pick out the bad, and what might have been written in by evil scribes, parts of the bible.

gow488 Wisconsin
08/09/15 9:32 pm

Cherry picking whatever suits them.

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xx116xx Christian. Unashamed.
08/09/15 8:22 pm

Firstly, I see that nowhere in the Matthew reference. Also, if you read more of the Deuteronomy one, it only applies to other to his brother. This is not really a law; the best way I can describe it is a commanded act of kindness.

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Arkansas123 Neoconservative
08/09/15 8:07 pm

That's not what Deuteronomy 15 says. It says that you should forgive the debts of your kin if they can't pay after seven years. Matthew doesn't speak to the issue.

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Arkansas123 Neoconservative
08/09/15 8:11 pm

It's a sad commentary on atheism that atheists have to lie about the Bible to try to undermine it.

Mattwall1
08/09/15 8:49 pm

I'm not sure which version of the Bible you're using, but at least according the the NIV, Deuteronomy 15:1 explicitly says "At the end of every seven years you must cancel debts." With verses 2-11 dealing with the exact nature of the debt release and

Mattwall1
08/09/15 8:50 pm

Dealing with the poor in relation to placing debt upon them. That's not some atheist conspiracy.

Mattwall1
08/09/15 8:54 pm

However, Matthew 5:1-11 doesn't talk about the release of debt. That being said, while its probably more than fair to say that the state if loans and finance have changed since the time Deuteronomy was being written, thus making such a law worthy of

Mattwall1
08/09/15 8:55 pm

Being labeled as outdated, that doesn't exactly change that Deuteronomy 15:1 is rather explicit about the issue, and that the following verses do back up the view of releasing debts to Israelites simply because they're Israelites every seventh year

Arkansas123 Neoconservative
08/09/15 10:32 pm

"At the end of every seven-year period you shall have a remission of debts, and this is the manner of the remission. Creditors shall remit all claims on loans made to a neighbor, not pressing the neighbor, one who is kin,

Arkansas123 Neoconservative
08/09/15 10:32 pm

"because the Lord's remission has been proclaimed. You may press a foreigner, but you shall remit the claim on what your kin owes to you."

Mattwall1
08/09/15 10:38 pm

"At the end of every seven years you must cancel debts. This is how it is to be done: Every creditor shall cancel any loan they have made to a fellow Israelite. They shall not require payment from anyone among their own people, because the Lord’s

Mattwall1
08/09/15 10:39 pm

time for canceling debts has been proclaimed. You may require payment from a foreigner, but you must cancel any debt your fellow Israelite owes you. However, there need be no poor people among you, for in the land the Lord your God is giving you to

Mattwall1
08/09/15 10:39 pm

possess as your inheritance, he will richly bless you, if only you fully obey the Lord your God and are careful to follow all these commands I am giving you today. For the Lord your God will bless you as he has promised, and you will lend to many

Mattwall1
08/09/15 10:40 pm

nations but will borrow from none. You will rule over many nations but none will rule over you." Verses 1-6. Again, I don't know about you, but the different versions themselves can lead to different interpretations. The New International Version

Mattwall1
08/09/15 10:42 pm

Seems rather clear in that "At the end of every seven years you must cancel your debts" along with later clarification making it clear the requirement is for fellow Israelites, but can be extended. Whichever version you're using (which version are

Mattwall1
08/09/15 10:44 pm

You using by the way), has less strict language on the issue, thus allowing a view of not strictly requiring a release of debts, although the concept of requiring all debts of other Israelites to be released on the Shmita would absolutely fall into

Mattwall1
08/09/15 10:46 pm

Line with how the concept of Shmita was practiced in Biblical and Temple Judaism (let alone modern Judaism), which would seem to be an indicator on how to take the text, given the intent of the author(s) involved

Arkansas123 Neoconservative
08/09/15 10:56 pm

I'm using the NABRE.

Either way, there's no command in Deuteronomy 15 for Christians to reject the modern system of loans. It's talking about dealings between family members or between Israelites (an ancient group of people no longer around).

Mattwall1
08/10/15 12:12 am

In that sense, I can see what you're saying (although someone taking the text and holding that it requires the release of debts isn't far fetched, regardless of what theological debates may arise from it)

ronderman North Carolina
08/10/15 3:59 am

The passage was intended to keep the Jewish people from falling into generational slavery due to debt. Much like other laws found in the OT, Christians aren't bound by these laws.

PartyJustin R.O.C.K. in the R.O.C.
08/10/15 7:12 am

So teh gays aren't icky?

ronderman North Carolina
08/10/15 8:24 am

I believe that is a question of preference. What is "icky" to you may not be "icky" to me. For me, I'm not attracted to men, but some of the people closest to me are gay.

If you are asking if homosexuality is a sin, that is between each person and

ronderman North Carolina
08/10/15 8:25 am

and God. They Bible says that it is. I can tell you that I will not be the person to throw the first stone as I am not sinless. I may be seen as the king of sinners.

I'd say, ask God that question.

Komm No. I am your father
08/09/15 7:41 pm

I've heard it often. Our current bankruptcy law is influenced by it already

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palindrome California
08/09/15 7:34 pm

Because Christianity in public life is only good when it's convenient. It's been happening since Biblical times. People prayed in public and in the streets so they could be praised and so they could advertise how "righteous" they are.

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ronderman North Carolina
08/10/15 3:55 am

And Jesus taught against that. Matthew 6:5

When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward.

commonsense America isnt racist
08/09/15 7:29 pm

The answer is simple. Money is more important to people , than people.

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commonsense America isnt racist
08/09/15 7:30 pm

And if they followed all of gods laws, they would realize how horrible the being is.

firefly5 the verse
08/09/15 7:19 pm

Excellent poll.

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alval California
08/09/15 7:16 pm

Because people pick and choose what biblical "sin" they feel is greater than the other. People that have issues with a gay person simply take issue with the gay person sinning differently than them....hypocrisy!

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GlockMan1 Alabama
08/09/15 7:01 pm

Deuteronomy 15:1 was never written for the Gentiles. It was for the JEWS ONLY. Matthew 5:1 DOES NOT release anyone from their debt. Don't try to understand a book written for the righteous. It will ALWAYS appear confusing, contradictory and barbaric

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smarttexan More Moderate Than U
08/09/15 7:09 pm

Jesus didn't come to start a new religion or to minister to Gentiles. Does your logic mean Gentiles should disregard his teachings because Jesus didn't intended for to be speaking to them?

firefly5 the verse
08/09/15 7:09 pm

Just a bit presumptuous, aren't we?

GlockMan1 Alabama
08/09/15 7:31 pm

No...Jesus DID NOT come to start a new religion. He came to be crucified on a Cross at Calvary FOR YOUR SIN.

palindrome California
08/09/15 7:36 pm

Can we go back to that other good question: should we disregard the laws that only apply to Jews?

palindrome California
08/09/15 7:36 pm

Is Christianity a religion for Jews only? Are they the only ones who the law applies to in your opinion?

palindrome California
08/09/15 7:39 pm

So what was he point of your comment? Lol

ronderman North Carolina
08/10/15 3:48 am

What Glock was saying is that The Old Testament is full of laws that are Levitical laws. They were written for the Jewish people. Most of us wouldn't fall under those laws. This is illustrated in Galatians 5:1-15.

Paul was at that time arguing

ronderman North Carolina
08/10/15 3:50 am

That gentile converts didn't have to go through circumcision in order to be Christians. The pharasies of the day believed that in order to be a Christian, you first had to convert to Judaism. That's not the case. This released us all from the

ronderman North Carolina
08/10/15 3:51 am

Levitical laws. I believe that's what Glock was getting at.

jmw7477 Indiana
08/09/15 6:51 pm

Because people use religion as it suits their needs.

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ronderman North Carolina
08/09/15 5:53 pm

It's not the "sin of the day" like homosexuality is. It is fashionable for hard nosed fundamental Christians to pass judgment and homosexuality is the current trend. Their actions are not what Christ would want.

As far as the year of jubilee, it

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ronderman North Carolina
08/09/15 5:54 pm

was in place to prevent generational slavery. You are welcome to practice it today if you wish.

smarttexan More Moderate Than U
08/09/15 5:59 pm

It would be a good thing if people practiced it. My other approach to this question was would this approach help our economy. I had to choose, so...

firefly5 the verse
08/09/15 7:16 pm

I think ronderman hit it dead on. And I can honestly say that we (my wife and I) do practice this. If I have enough to loan you money, I have enough to give it to you outright.

ronderman North Carolina
08/10/15 3:35 am

Yep. Never loan family/friends money. Give it to the. If it comes back to you, great. If not, it's a gift anyway.

kspells TheOtherOtherside
08/09/15 5:29 pm

It's only quoted to people who are listening. Current affairs have people questioning financial stability, all over. The 7th 7 year period is now, a hot topic if you are interested in prophecy.

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kspells TheOtherOtherside
08/09/15 5:34 pm

I swear (not you) but a lot of SOH users need to get there heads out of this app & into the game of life. Put the app away & look at ...anything search.yahoo.com/search?fr=ipad&p=Jewish+jubilee+financial+prophecy&pcarrier=&pmcc=&pmnc=

smarttexan More Moderate Than U
08/09/15 5:43 pm

Thanks for the link with several sources.

kspells TheOtherOtherside
08/09/15 5:51 pm

I can do it at will

kspells TheOtherOtherside
08/09/15 5:58 pm

Sorry Smartexan: I wasn't paying attention. I realized when I posted the link, that this is your poll. There are some serious Authors who cover this. I can't think of a Jewish word right now, but I will get back to you, w/it. It's the title to a #1

kspells TheOtherOtherside
08/09/15 6:05 pm

'"Shemitah" when you can understand this you can see how the wisdom we lost hurts us today.

kspells TheOtherOtherside
08/09/15 6:07 pm

Sorry Shemitah is how it's pronounced. Shmta (I think)

twss trump is a garbage human
08/09/15 5:23 pm

I'm going to pass because anything I answer with is just going to fire me up.

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bringstheeagle Colorado
08/09/15 5:14 pm

Capitalism is king; freedom; Merica. Lol.

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FATSHADOW Cyborg Gorilla
08/09/15 5:11 pm

Bc...

It doesnt follow the teachings of Republican Jesus.

That handsome white bastard.

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ronderman North Carolina
08/09/15 5:48 pm

Jesus wasn't white😜

FATSHADOW Cyborg Gorilla
08/09/15 5:50 pm

πŸŽ…πŸΏ

Neither was Santa.

ronderman North Carolina
08/09/15 6:27 pm

DON'T TALK ABOUT SANTA LIKE THAT!!!!!

biker4life Arizona
08/09/15 4:47 pm

Because people like to pick and choose what bible verses they want to follow and ignore the ones they don't agree with.

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FlipFlopGirl Sic semper tyrannis
08/09/15 4:45 pm

Bc people pick and choose what parts of the bible they follow. I prefer to take the cliff notes version and follow the the be good to other people!

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smarttexan More Moderate Than U
08/09/15 4:43 pm

Debt is forgiven because God acts that way towards humans.

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greeengoddess Minnesota
08/09/15 4:56 pm

Right, but why isn't that an actual practice?

Maj Worth Economist
08/09/15 5:23 pm

Because despite what the Bible says, people make God in their favorite image.