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Mattwall1 August 9th, 2015 3:16pm

85% of people agreed that "The provisions of the World War II and Korean War GI Bills were indispensable" in creating the post war boom & the American middle class." Should the middle class/economy be regrown using the draft and a WWII style GI Bill?

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allswel Minnesota
08/09/15 10:10 am

You don't need a draft and a GI Bill to reinvigorate higher education so as to attain the long term stimulate to the economy.
Somewhere in the 80-90s we stopped looking at higher education as a public good and it became a private good.

allswel Minnesota
08/09/15 10:13 am

While it is true that the individual benefits from the education and should have some responsibility to pay for some of it, the public benefits are far greater! Not only to the economy in the long term, but to local good in the short term.

Liberty 4,032,064
08/09/15 9:51 am

Most people likely just weren't thinking when they voted yes.

Mattwall1
08/09/15 11:18 am

And your reasoning for that is...?

Liberty 4,032,064
08/09/15 12:14 pm

Because it's just one of those sort of half truth platitudes that people respond to without thinking critically about it.

Mattwall1
08/09/15 1:01 pm

Do you have any proof of this or are you just saying it?

Liberty 4,032,064
08/09/15 1:56 pm

Aside from history and economics regarding the first question and the second, I don't have a record of the thoughts (or lack of thoughts) of all the respondents.

Mattwall1
08/09/15 7:16 pm

Given your position seems to be in a minority, would you be willing to explain why history and economics go against the claim the WWII and Korean War GI Bills were indispensable in the creation of the post war middle class and the post war boom?

chrismisen atlanta
08/09/15 9:27 am

no. fuck the draft

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deist
08/09/15 1:53 pm

But, you'd be a hero..

teachinla California
08/09/15 9:15 am

The matrix isn't the same as it was then. We have a better educated volunteer army this time around. I would rather want to study the reasons for the development of the middle class during the Elizabethan Age.

PeppyHare Do a barrel roll
08/09/15 9:11 am

Lately I've been wondering how important an experience like military training or some sort of disciplined service to a larger cause is to a society. We have a large segment of the population with very little discipline at an age that matters most.

PeppyHare Do a barrel roll
08/09/15 9:16 am

Even if it was something similar to the peace corp. What experience today requires people to mature and become disciplined more than the military? I think it could be a valuable way, if done properly, to improve the lives and education of many.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
08/09/15 8:28 am

Fun fact: you don't have to be drafted to be eligible for the GI Bill, in whatever form it exists at the time. So we could restore the old GI Bill, but it need not be tied to conscription. We don't have a draft because we have plenty of volunteers.

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Mattwall1
08/09/15 8:49 am

I'm including the draft for the question since the amount of people who would be eligible would be greatly increased, producing a significantly higher economic effect (and since conscription was used in both WWII and Korea, a more accurate parallel)

Zod Above Pugetropolis
08/09/15 4:06 pm

We had a war on in WWII and Korea, even if we had to start one there. Does that mean we ought to start another war in the interest of increasing the rate of economic growth? Or should we have a peacetime draft as a jobs program?

Mattwall1
08/09/15 4:10 pm

Between the two, the latter would seem the better idea than starting a war for reasons not dealing with geopolitical interest

Zod Above Pugetropolis
08/09/15 4:25 pm

We can have a jobs program without a war or the GI Bill. The WPA was arguably as successful as the GI Bill, when the benefit to our society as a whole is considered. A GI Bill like scholarship program could be incorporated into a rebooted WPA.

Mattwall1
08/09/15 10:50 pm

While the WPA definitely did a great job, I's have to say that long term, the combined benefits of national security strength as well as favorable GI Bill provisions would have a greater positive impact, as well as being less likely to be knifed by

redsox95 New England
08/09/15 8:27 am

Well we still have the GI Bill for active duty members. No one is stopping people from serving.

Mattwall1
08/09/15 8:51 am

Above. Also, while we still have the GI Bill, which would you say had/has greater benefits (which in turn, would theoretically cause a greater boost for the general economy) the original GI Bill (or the Korean War GI Bill) or the current GI Bill?