In the GOP debate Chris Christie & Rand Paul debated security vs privacy. Each represented the overriding concern of their constituency. Which do you think should be the primary concern of the country, privacy or security?
The data they collect is superficial. It's the height of arrogance to believe that out of the millions of data points someone will be purposely reading yours. I'd no wrong is being committed there I'd nothing to fear, especially if it keeps us safe.
The only problem w/that argument is having insufficient understanding degree of no can be constructed from *only* data points.
"Reading" actual email or "listening" to actual phone calls is technologically unnecessary. The argument - from either side - depends on the average person's ignorance of this technical reality.
I'm tired of living in a world full of fear and I'm tired of this false argument that we have to bomb people, invade countries, spy on citizens, and prop up governments in order to be safe. We're less safe and our policies have created ISIS.
The Constitution! (Paul's point)
You need security before you can have privacy. Without security, you have nothing to protect your privacy. Common sense people.
Yes, but focused security that doesn't violate the Constitution. We don't need government spies monitoring everyone's communications.
But muh hugging families
He give hugs for donuts
Old Ben was entirely correct (dale41). We must have sufficient security and law in order for us to exist. Otherwise "privacy " will not be an issue. There won't be any. It's a tough question.
As Ben Franklin said, "those who surrender freedom for security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one".
Good ole Ben
Liberty* or security
False choice. We don't *have* to choose one over the other. But we're being led to believe if *everyone's* Constitutional rights are not violated, the swarming hordes will destroy us all.
They have *surely* already collected enough info to have excellent ideas about where to look for who. Get *warrants* to tack *those* ppl's internet/cell/whatever traffic & leave the rest of us the hell alone.
This one is hard for me
My thought process is that privacy was put in the Constitution, so this doesn't have to be a debate.
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Neither. Privacy as a concept needs to be replaced with an ownership model.
Security we're at war. 😎
The wars been over for years now.
Oh, sorry dummy has declared peace.
Congress has not declared war, nor has the President mobilized troops. We may be "threatened" by ISIS, but we are most definitely not at war.
Whoop-dee-freaking-do; you know how many nations have "declared war" against us? Far more than we've gone to war with. Considering we are the most powerful nation on earth, yes - we DO decide when we're at war or not.
But if a rogue collection of bandits with nothing more than small arms and pick up trucks "declare holy war" on the U.S., it doesn't hold much weight, does it?
So I assume you'd say we are "at war" if a cult of 30 people in Canada "declare war" on the United States? That's laughable. ISIS is not a nation, and therefore does not have legitimate grounds to "declare war." ISIS is no threat to the United States
I'm firmly on the privacy side, but not because of ideological reasons like Rand.
Threats to America are greatly exaggerated and we overcompensate to prevent relatively minor risks.
Unlike many on this app, I do recognize the value of security. It is important for our citizens to feel safe and protected.
But if we secure our borders out of fear and if we use the TSA to protect our planes out of fear, we need to be sure that...
the fear is substantiated by a clear and present danger.
I just don't the risks are great enough to warrant the unbelievable amount of of money we spend on security in this country.
I want to say privacy, but I'm having a hard time feeling it because we also live in the age of social media. Because of that, we need it more than ever, and yet we pay attention to it less than ever. 😕
Rand Paul was on top of that exchange! Loved the jab about Christie hugging the president too.
Really? I agree with him on this issue but I feel like he really dropped the ball on this debate
It was about the only part of the debate I caught so I can't speak for the rest.
I'm seeing "Republican Presidential Debate" today & tomorrow on the FoxNews lineup. I *think* today's is the Happy Hour Debate & tomorrow will be the Primetime Debate.
I agree with you smithy, I like Paul and agree with his stance but I don't think he did well in the debate at all.