If guns were outlawed, would you comply with the law (i.e. hand yours in and/or not try to purchase any)?
The gun ban would be overturned because of unconstitutionality issues. But if it did happen, I would.
"I was born with a shotgun in my hands. Behind the gun, I'll make my final stand." -Bad Company
Try to take my guns, I dare you. You'll have to pry it outta my bloody hands.
Good people should not the only ones unarmed. Bad people will have guns.
You misspelled terrorists
It's interesting that significant portions of the 'Union' states would hand their firearms in, and significant portions of the 'Confederate' states would not. Maybe the South will rise again after all. ;)
The right to resistance is not dependent on the Second Amendment. But the Second Amendment sure does make it a hell of a lot easier to resist if need be.
Parts of the military would rebel and bring their hardware with them. We would have planes, tanks, artillery and leadership on our side too.
The 'well-regulated' phrase in the Second Amendment is in reference being well-trained and disciplined. The meaning of 'regulation' then was not anywhere near the first thought that 'regulation' brings to mind today.
Palindrome, you're still approaching this from the 'stricter control' perspective. The question is "If guns (implying ALL guns) were outlawed..." Even Europe isn't that backwards (yet). If all guns were banned, there would be a massive citizen uprising. 25-50 million minimum.
I do agree that not nearly enough people are protesting the erosion of our 4rth amendment rights, due process, etc. We are absolutely in agreement on that. That's one area that the left, in the past decade, has defended much better than the right. Not do much anymore though, unfortunately.
I disagree, because people know that the prohibition of firearms only slightly precedes the prohibition of free speech/press/religion.
And if you don't believe me, look at the polls. People support legislation controlling weapons. They support some form of ban. This isn't an issue the majority or anywhere near a majority of Americans hold as a "make or break" for them. Let's be realistic here.
Especially not over 1 million Americans. People aren't that willing to kill, be killed, harm or be harmed. They aren't willing to give up all the conveniences of modern life in order to fight a law banning dangerous weapons like guns... That's wishful thinking.
But, as I said before, the real danger of a civil war is the opportunity that it presents to our enemies. It should be the absolute last resort once all political and diplomatic options for resolution have been exhausted.
I understand what you're saying. But look around. I'm just being realistic. Most Americans can't even be counted on to protest when our rights to due process and privacy are being whisked away... Guns won't draw a 50 million force. It'll be lucky to hit 1 million. People aren't that willing to die
I also believe that a significant portion of the military would rebel as well, and would bring their hardware with them. It wouldn't only be the hunters and recreational shooters taking up arms. See Syria or Libya for details.
Right. But we are also subject to govt regulation
The question was "If guns (implying ALL guns) were outlawed...". That means that there wouldn't be ANY legal guns. That is why I believe the numbers would be so high. In Wisconsin alone there are over 700,000 hunters annually.
The militia is the whole body of the citizenry. That's according to the Founders themselves. That includes you (presumably) and I Palindrome. We are the first line of defense against criminals, foreign invasion and oppressive government. It's awfully hard to do all that if we're unarmed.
If people stop obeying the federal government and decide to start a second civil war- especially the people I see advocating for one right now- I'd be more than willing to suit up and join the military
My money would say that vast majority of gun owners are rational people who respect and obey they law. They'd probably turn in their illegal weapons and keep the ones they can and continue on with their lives. The few rebels can have all the "fun" of life as a terrorist rebel
Maybe. But I think 25-50 million people fighting over guns is way overblown. There aren't even that many people willing to join the military period. The amount of people willing to face off with the US government, turn their entire lives upside down and basically become terrorists would be very low
That would be an un-Constitutional law, and as such, I would not obey it.
And by the way, the Founding Fathers said that we every able bodied male citizen should have a firearm "of the sort in common usage." These days, that's not only the AR/M16/M4, it's the .50, the 20mm, the AA missiles, and all the rest.
Palindrome, your ignorance is showing again. A .45 is only usefully accurate out to a couple hundred yards, tops. The average rifle round is useful out to 500 yards or better. I need military-grade weapons to keep the government and the military in check. I will not be a slave.
However, the real danger of a second civil war is the opportunity that it presents to our enemies to attack us when we're weak. The best way to avoid a civil war, and foreign invasion, is to keep your laws off of my guns.
Even with drones, the bloodshed would have to be extreme for the Feds to win. And extreme bloodshed against American citizens would spark outrage on a national scale and motivate another 25-50 million Americans to take up arms.
I disagree palindrome. I believe that a total gun grab would set off a second civil war. I'm willing to bet that between 25 and 50 million Americans would take up arms over this issue. That dwarfs the US military's membership.
That is my line in the sand. The day guns are outlawed is the day that I become an outlaw.
This is the map that the XXX government will use to overthrow the US.
The government would be the criminals in this case.
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A 1000% ammunition tax will happen before mass firearm confiscation comes about. A shame too because I'll just get mine from ova' da borda...you know, black markets, those things that ALWAYS spring up when the government pathetically tries to "ban" something.
It's easy to say yes when the question doesn't apply to them
In an ideal liberal society, you depend on the government to do everything for you. This includes protection, welfare, healthcare, and everything else. Go ask mexico how relying on the gov for protection worked out for them.
That was well said. The dems just wait for bad things to happen to push their stupid shit through, while everybody is emotionally driven. When shit hits the fan folks, think rationally, not emotionally. This is a big problem in our country.
Im a staunch supporter of the 2nd amendment. You'll never take my guns, libs.
You actually make a bigger hole with a .45 than you do with a .223.
If you have to live like a fugitive, they've already won. You deprived of house and home, job and credit. You can't connect to the Internet (yay)... You're deprived of everything. If a ban came across the land, most- probably the vast majority- would turn their guns in.
Lol we can track people down throughout the Middle East. In the vast expanses of the desert, in remote villages and in mountain hide-outs. If you're not hit by a drone, the sheer pressure of having to live like a fugitive will get you.
You. Will. Not. Win
Right. But that doesn't mean you need or are entitled to military-grade weapons. You don't need a AR-15. A .45 will work just fine. Keep a semi-auto pistol and its the same crap. You just want to make a bigger hole.
Glad to see republicans are criminals.
RJ, RJ, RJ, America is huge. The Feds don't have enough drones to take us all out. Maybe the Feds will hold the cities but my side will hold the countryside.
"From my cold dead hands".
It figures most democrats would turn them in. What a bunch of future victims of violent crime.
53% of you all are brilliant.
This is not to say guns should be outlawed I think handguns are fine
@RJ--It's not purely hypothetical. That is exactly where this current administration is leading and it is a horrifying concept to imagine. It is not an America I want to live in. I will not willingly give up my rights.