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chinito August 6th, 2015 12:52pm

Yesterday I posted 2 polls about countries that have been divided (Korea and Germany). Virtually everyone choose the capitalist countries. If we prefer capitalist countries over socialist, why is there a movement to make America more Socialist?

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Doopy Remedial Americanism
08/08/15 6:48 am

Because humans not in hardship become foolish.

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DeanGandley New York
08/08/15 5:52 am

The youth is being manipulated by the left....I hate my generation (90s) :(

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ozzy
08/07/15 5:47 am

Cuz that is what Obama and his handlers want. So sad

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TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
08/07/15 2:55 am

It's not the American people who want to make it socialist. It's the Obama administration and the Progressive/Liberal Democrats.

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NDAmerican Florida
08/06/15 3:26 pm

People don't understand what socialism is. There is a strong difference between Socialism, a Welfare State, and Keynesianism.

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FacePalm That Trick Never Works
08/06/15 2:12 pm

Because those were shite examples. How about Finland, Sweden, Norway?

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CzarCastic
08/06/15 9:25 am

Because we have a shitty president who's giving out things we don't want nor need

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anniepoops wisco fever
08/06/15 8:48 am

The examples used were extreme.

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chinito Florida
08/06/15 12:42 pm

I know. But my question is why we want to move to the wrong direction?

suppressedID That is my secret Cap
08/06/15 12:48 pm

That's like asking people their preference for swimming: sponge bath or drowning?

Why not switch it around? Somalia or Iceland?

evoecon nearest binary system
08/06/15 6:29 am

The allure of a life free of doubt and worry painted by the Progressives and Democrats. The reality is Greece, not Paradise.

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osouless Whats Next
08/06/15 6:26 am

Because those countries weren't socialist. They were communist and run by an authoritarian. Democratic socialism is nothing like that.

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Think Lovin Life
08/06/15 6:28 am

Right Democrats have an ideal that can't be implemented. They continue to march toward the ideal even though anyone who's tried it has failed.

osouless Whats Next
08/06/15 6:28 am

Um. Not really. In an ideal form of socialism there is NO government. Pretty sure democrats aren't for that.

evoecon nearest binary system
08/06/15 6:31 am

Every failure of Democratic Socialism is blamed on the humans controlling those governments. Yet, Social Democrats have not solved having humans in control. Hence, they will always fail until there are no more humans.

Think Lovin Life
08/06/15 6:34 am

Souless ... do you ever listen to the silly things you say?

Axl752 NY
08/06/15 6:17 am

Because in your comparisons, the countries you used to represent socialism were extreme examples of socialism and communism.

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
08/06/15 6:32 am

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17millionTwats Leeds, UK
08/06/15 5:55 am

Communism =\= socialism

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MrsCrayonWax
08/06/15 6:12 am

Right but socialism can lead to either communism or fascism, yea?

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
08/06/15 5:54 am

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chinito Florida
08/06/15 6:02 am

I'm not sure if they are idiots or just blinded by envy

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
08/06/15 6:09 am

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chinito Florida
08/06/15 6:12 am

But there was no income inequality

Think Lovin Life
08/06/15 6:32 am

Chinto ... there were "haves" and "have-nots" also known as winners and losers in the Soviet Union. The problem with socialism and all of its variants is that the number of winners is much smaller than with capitalism, and there's no way to change.

chinito Florida
08/06/15 7:41 am

I agree. Don't understand how some people believe that some being poor, most being middle class and a few being rich is better than all being very poor.

Think Lovin Life
08/06/15 7:45 am

Chinto ... I'm not big on the class breakdown, but for me it is all about mobility! The notion, that a kid born to a dirt poor single mother could "make it" is huge. In socialism there's no chance to improve your situation.

Mattwall1
08/06/15 10:29 am

Seeing as you all can't seem to understand the difference between a Stalinist authoritarian system, a Stalinist-Juche authoritarian system, and a democratic socialist running for office (and for the record I don't even support Sanders), does that

Mattwall1
08/06/15 10:30 am

Mean we should insultingly label you idiots, or insultingly label you blinded by partisanship over bad comparisons due to the fact that, whatever one thinks of Sanders, he isn't East Germany or North Korea-and the three of you are more than smart

Mattwall1
08/06/15 10:31 am

Enough to know that. (Half sorry to burst the pat on the back comment thread, but it needed to be pointed out)

Mattwall1
08/06/15 1:04 pm

Stalinist systems, like East Germany and North Korea, are dictatorial systems based on principles such as rapid industrialization, socialism in one country, a protection of the system and the state by the vanguard party, a creation of a system

Mattwall1
08/06/15 1:06 pm

Whereby the leader of the state is given cult worship (along with Lenin, Engels, and Marx in traditional Stalinist systems, or the Kim family in North Korea's Juche version), along with using the state to directly engineer class conflict in order to

Mattwall1
08/06/15 1:09 pm

Benefit the dictator and his cronies. Stalinism, whether in Russia, East Germany, North Korea (and mixed with Juche) or anywhere else, is based on those methods and systems, and is totalitarian to the core. Democratic socialism, like its cousin

Mattwall1
08/06/15 1:11 pm

Social Democracy, is based in the notion that economic and social interventions are necessary for social justice to occur, and tend to favor very strong collective bargaining agreements that decidedly slant towards unions, incredibly large welfare

Mattwall1
08/06/15 1:12 pm

States, a more (but not perfectly) equal distribution of wealth, and being rabidly in favor of representative democracy. The primary difference is social democratic thought tries work itself through a capitalist system, while democratic socialists

Mattwall1
08/06/15 1:14 pm

Tend to favor a socialism lite so to speak to replace the capitalistic framework. It might be worth noting that right off the bat, democratic socialists are ideologically rooted from the notion of popular sovereignty, while Stalinists are rooted from

Mattwall1
08/06/15 1:16 pm

Vanguardist dictatorships. It's roughly akin to comparing Laissez-faire capitalism, and the American System of capitalism. Both are capitalist schools of thought, but the latter is significantly more protectionist and nationalistic, while the former

Mattwall1
08/06/15 1:17 pm

Is, well, laissez faire and reliant on market forces, not a combination of market forces and nationalistic and protectionist politicians and laws

chinito Florida
08/08/15 10:48 pm

Sorry it took so long to answer. It was a very extensive explanation with a lot of big words.
The point was to show what happens when you have 2 twins and each one take a different path. It was extreme but I couldn't think of another example.

chinito Florida
08/08/15 10:48 pm

Now that you are talking about dictatorships, can you find a directorship that has used a capitalism? Maybe not because it is harder to mix both. Maybe you can argue about Singapore was a dictatorship. What was the outcome?

chinito Florida
08/08/15 10:48 pm

My brother in law is from Venezuela. Last night we were having dinner and he said "how can socialists don't see it?". "Venezuela was a wonderful country. Now that it became socialist you cannot find milk, eggs or toilet paper in the supermarket".

Mattwall1
08/08/15 11:02 pm

I'm not a socialist myself, but given how many people my age think Sanders would be the next Lincoln, the question posed by your brother in law is valid. To answer your question about capitalist dictatorships, arguments could be made that Taiwan

Mattwall1
08/08/15 11:08 pm

Under Chiang Kai-Shek, South Korea under Syngman Rhee, South Vietnam for its whole history, the Philippines under Ferdinand Marcos, Batista ruled Cuba, Francoist Spain, Pinochetian Chile, imperial Ethiopia, Russia under Alexander III and Nicholas II

Mattwall1
08/08/15 11:09 pm

As Imperial Russia moved from a mercantilist-feudal-protocapitalist mix into industrial capitalism, etc. whether all these (or any others) are fully accurate is a debate dependent on each situation, but the concept of a capitalist dictatorship,

Mattwall1
08/08/15 11:10 pm

Unfortunately, isn't impossible, though, unlike Stalinism, isn't a requirement for it to function

Mattwall1
08/08/15 11:12 pm

If the intent was the twins on different paths effect, they aren't bad examples, although it did come off as conflating Stalinism and democratic socialism, which aren't the same when this poll is combined with the others