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Shazam August 2nd, 2015 3:57pm

The Donald said on "This Week" that "because Obama has done such a poor job as president, you won't see another another black president for generations." Do you think this is more or less of a racist statement than his one about Mexican rapists?

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biker4life Arizona
08/03/15 8:39 pm

Donald has always been a douchbag, I'm glad the rest of the world can see it now besides just New York residents.

EarthMunkey The Golden Rule. Always.
08/03/15 9:29 am

Okay so... Implying that he didn't do a good job because he is black or...

...the racist thinking of America with subconsciously avoid another black president because of him?

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
08/03/15 11:53 am

EARTH - i think Zod nails it best below.

missmorganmarie ...
08/03/15 6:57 am

about the same....and he is half black

cowboy Doors of Perception
08/03/15 3:50 am

Trump hasn't said anything racist. The DNC and especially the RNC are terrified of Trump. So why not pull out the old worn out race card? So childish.

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Shazam Scaramouche, OH
08/02/15 10:53 pm

MACHO - an entire race of people deemed unfit and of lessor caliber based on the performance of a single member of that race. Yeah. That's just about a textbook definition.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
08/03/15 5:18 am

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Shazam Scaramouche, OH
08/03/15 8:33 am

NEM - i'm bot going to get into a troll exchange with you like have with others below. i will post for others the webster dictionary definition, and let them decide. I am happy that this poll stimulated your thinking as much as it apparently did.

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
08/03/15 8:34 am

From Mer-Web Dictionary: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
08/03/15 9:53 am

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
08/03/15 9:55 am

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Zod Above Pugetropolis
08/02/15 2:56 pm

More, I think, and it expresses an idea that I've heard from a few other Republicans, that somehow race has something to do with being able to do the job, or with being chosen to do it.

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musiman28 Cotton country
08/02/15 12:18 pm

This wasn't racist and neither was his comment on illegal immigrants. Just because someone says something about a group doesn't make it racist. That comment in no way means Trump feels his race is superior to Obamas.

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Think Lovin Life
08/02/15 12:21 pm

Psst ... MrO and Mr Trump share the same race ... white.

musiman28 Cotton country
08/02/15 1:52 pm

Right. One more reason this wasn't a racist comment.

SticksandStones Stop fearmongering
08/02/15 6:29 pm

So if they're both white, Trump is just an idiot because he called Obama black?

Think Lovin Life
08/02/15 7:44 pm

Mr Trump is just trying to be FAR to politically correct in calling MrO what MrO wants to be called, rather than what MrO really is!

Think Lovin Life
08/02/15 10:51 am

Mr Trump's comment about illegal alien rapists wasn't about Mexicans and didn't imply all illegal aliens are rapists.

The left leaning article that he referenced said 80% of illegal alien women and girls are raped.

Why don't you address the facts?

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RoDe Latinus wordsus
08/02/15 10:32 am

We've had a lot of crappy white male presidents, but no one holds that against men, or whites.

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
08/02/15 10:50 am

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RoDe Latinus wordsus
08/02/15 10:54 am

That's Trump's assertion, I'm just not buying it. If we had a bad Jewish president would we not elect another for a generation? Or a red headed president? Arbitrary factors like race have no bearing on how someone will perform in the job.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
08/02/15 10:57 am

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Mattwall1
08/02/15 11:10 am

Rode-we shouldn't base our voted on if x candidate is in the same minority, will they be like that, but yes, if a first Jewish president wasn't perfect (and frankly, any Jewish president would probably be screwed from the get go for reasons I'll

Mattwall1
08/02/15 11:11 am

Explain in a moment) another Jew probably wouldn't be elected-regardless of merit-for decades if ever. It's wrong, but the Jackie Robinson effect does exist

Mattwall1
08/02/15 11:13 am

To explain the reasoning why I don't see a Jewish president being able to be successful (unfortunately). If the banks and stock market do well, it's evil Jews controlling money. If they fails or suffer, it's obviously the communist Christian hating

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
08/02/15 11:15 am

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Mattwall1
08/02/15 11:15 am

Jew. If they took a one state stance on Israel, they'd be labeled an apartheidist, a traitor to the U.S, a Palestinian killer, etc. if they took a two state stance, he'd be in bed with enemies, the religious right would basically want him for dinner

Mattwall1
08/02/15 11:17 am

On grounds of treason (and who knows, maybe religious oppression). If they do anything involving religion that isn't overtly pro Christian, they'd be labeled as enemies of American and of faith. If they're pro choice, you know someone would claim

Mattwall1
08/02/15 11:19 am

They're betraying Auschwitz. If they're pro life, the far left will label them fascist. I'm posses at it, but I don't think a Jewish president would be able to survive even if they were as good as Washington due to the prejudices. Obviously, a

Mattwall1
08/02/15 11:20 am

POTUS can be amazing, horrible, or somewhere in between regardless of race, religion, or ethnicity. But a minority is more likely to face extra apprehension, and then more likely to make that minority unelectable though no fault of their own

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
08/02/15 11:28 am

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Mattwall1
08/02/15 11:32 am

Would you say that to a Catholic if it was clear Catholics were unelectable? Or is it the fact the poll deals with Obama, and my semi rant about a hypothetical Jewish president?

Think Lovin Life
08/02/15 11:32 am

RoDe ... the "crapiest" white president to date is Mr Obama.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
08/02/15 11:41 am

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Think Lovin Life
08/02/15 12:07 pm

Nema ... is that a new race?

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
08/02/15 12:54 pm

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Think Lovin Life
08/02/15 7:46 pm

At least the Christian-Because-It's-Politically-Expediant kind that we have now!

bethanyq Ess Eff
08/02/15 9:45 am

More. While the comments about Mexicans are unquestionably racist, they also stem from nationalism, which isn't always inherently racist. This comment about Obama has no such not-purely-racist element to fall back on.

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Think Lovin Life
08/02/15 11:33 am

Beth ... Mr Trump's comments were unquestionably NOT racist. They were also true.

bethanyq Ess Eff
08/02/15 11:44 am

Oh gosh well I guess you sure proved me wrong. What an impressive rejoinder.

Think Lovin Life
08/02/15 11:46 am

Beth ... the burden of proof is yours. Rather than talking around the statement, show the specific racist comment.

bethanyq Ess Eff
08/02/15 11:47 am

Look it up yourself. It isn't hard to find. Not my job to do your thinking for you.

Think Lovin Life
08/02/15 12:03 pm

Beth ... ha ha ... you exemplify the left's guilty until proven innocent perfectly!

You say Mr Trump (I'm not a fan) was racist, you must show the proof!

Think Lovin Life
08/02/15 12:05 pm

Beth ... by the way, I've reviewed his supposed racist comments personally, and I conclude that the comments are NOT racist.

Unless you're capable of demonstrating the racism, then you're propagating a lie!

rons Thanks America
08/02/15 9:34 am

Well, a lot of women were raped by the coyotes on the border and that's a fact. Saying that about a black president is stupid.

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political Georgia
08/02/15 9:13 am

I don't really see a problem with this comment. I don't know why this would be perceived as racism. Perhaps, The Donald is telling people that the American people unfortunately look at people's color.

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bethanyq Ess Eff
08/02/15 9:48 am

I would agree if the statement had an ounce of nuance.

Mattwall1
08/02/15 9:10 am

I think the scary thing is, there probably are voters, and more than just a few, who won't vote for a black (or possibly any non white and Christian) presidential candidate for a long time because Obama didn't turn out to be the best POTUS since

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Mattwall1
08/02/15 9:11 am

Washington, but is a minority (and even though a Christian, the type of people that wouldn't vote for a black because of him aren't likely to believe that)

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
08/02/15 9:18 am

Because white people are judged individually while minorities are judged by the one people know.

rons Thanks America
08/02/15 9:40 am

He has a poor record of helping the poor ans especially black folks. People see it and wonder if voting based on color was the wrong thing to do. Maybe next time they will picked the best person.

Mattwall1
08/02/15 9:43 am

Right... He was elected because most people only voted for him due to his race.

rons Thanks America
08/02/15 9:45 am

Matt, was the black vote very high in his favor. plus the left loved the idea. That's way Hillary, the first woman was ousted. He had zero credentials. The left wanted the black guy. Simple.

BeachSt Coastal Virginia
08/02/15 9:46 am

That's not supported at all. Liberals have always secured 85%+ of the Black vote. Not only that but Democrats were destined to win in 2008

Mattwall1
08/02/15 9:49 am

Ron-Democrats have won the black vote decisively since the Civil Rights Acts and the Voting Rights Act (they had previously been a swing constituency since the 1930's and before that largely Republican). 2008 wasn't a great year for the Republicans

rons Thanks America
08/02/15 9:50 am

96 percent of black voters voted for Obama. Don't say that was wrong. Hell the Catholics voted for JFK. But it was a racial vote based on color. Hillary was robbed.

bethanyq Ess Eff
08/02/15 9:51 am

Al Gore got over 90 percent of the black vote. Black people vote for *Democrats*.

Mattwall1
08/02/15 9:52 am

To run a presidential race. It's not quite as bad as it could've been McGovern against Reagan's ghost and seen McGovern win, but 2008 was not a Republican year. As for the primary, there were plenty worried about the thought of Bush->Clinton->Bush->

rons Thanks America
08/02/15 9:53 am

Difference is the number of voters that came out to vote for a black president. If Obama was white he'd still be in Chicago.

Mattwall1
08/02/15 9:53 am

Clinton, there were people who viewed her as too far to the right, people who wouldn't forgive her over Iraq, and people turned off by the perceived inevitability of a Clinton nomination. By contrast, Obama seemed the young but not too young breath

Mattwall1
08/02/15 9:55 am

If non potential dynastic working up through the ranks fresh air. And in 2008, the turnout as a whole was up from 2004

rons Thanks America
08/02/15 9:56 am

Matt, the left wanted a black president come hell or high water. He was not qualified but that had no bearing on the lefts decision. Breaking the color barrier was the most important reason. More important the the gender barrier.

Mattwall1
08/02/15 9:56 am

By 2012, you have an incumbent President running against a candidate beaten up in the primaries and unable to pivot back to the center, and with a personality that can turn off some as too pretentious and upper crust. By no means was 2012 a given,

Mattwall1
08/02/15 9:57 am

But an incumbent winning reelection isn't shocking. Maybe not the cliche it is in Congress, but not shocking at the Presidential level

rons Thanks America
08/02/15 9:57 am

Matt, going back to the blame game? Shame on you! Or maybe I have no idea what your trying to say.

Mattwall1
08/02/15 9:58 am

Ron, I'm sure you can find some people that for that bill, as well as some that were adamantly opposed to that concept. Enough to win a Presidential election? Let alone two? No, especially not given the background of both elections.

Mattwall1
08/02/15 9:59 am

Ron-I'm not trying to blame any group here. I'm trying to explain why people voted the way they did-and that with the possible exception of a tiny fringe, Obama's race was not an affirmative factor in voting for him

rons Thanks America
08/02/15 10:00 am

2012 was another is. The incumbent always has a leg up. Plus Romney was too soft. It's the 2008 election that was racially motivated. Gotta go do some work.

Mattwall1
08/02/15 10:55 am

I've read it before. Here's the problem. Voter turnout overall rose by 1.5% from 2004. The Democratic national vote went up by 4.6% from 2004. From the 1964 election through 2004 the Black vote had an average split of ~87% Democratic, ~11.1%

Mattwall1
08/02/15 10:58 am

Republican, and ~1.9% other. In 2008, it's 95-4-1. In 1996, the Democrats got 84% of the black vote, 90% in 2000, and 88% in 2004, so the number isn't astonishing. I mean, in 2008, Jews voted for Obama at 78%, 25% above the country's rounded average.

Mattwall1
08/02/15 10:59 am

Why do you think we voted in number like that for Obama (even if less than the 82%, 85%, 90%, and 90% for FDR, 82% for JFK, or 90% for LBJ)? It would seem to be that a large majority of Jews agreed with Obama's policy stances in 2008, a bit like

Mattwall1
08/02/15 11:02 am

Blacks did, where both groups supported Democratic candidates well above the national average. In neither case is the a recent phenomenon for either. Going at least as far back as 1936, blacks have voted for Democratic candidates (though black party

Mattwall1
08/02/15 11:04 am

Affiliation had no clear holder until 1948, and even then, it wasn't solidly Democratic until 1964), in Presidential elections, and where, going back to 1916, only one Democrat did not win the Jewish vote (1920, Harding won 43% of the Jewish vote,

Mattwall1
08/02/15 11:06 am

Eugene Debs, a Socialist candidate running from prison, won 38% of the Jewish vote and 3% nationally, while the Democratic Cox only won 10% of the Jewish vote), and in 1980, where Carter won a plurality of Jewish votes. In every other presidential

Mattwall1
08/02/15 11:07 am

Election, Jews have heavily voted D, just as Blacks have. In neither case would race seem to be the reason-generally or with Obama. Policy stances would. Personality and even a tradition for voting a certain way could, but Obama's race? No

rons Thanks America
08/02/15 11:07 am

Watching it at the time a high number of young came out to vote for Obama. My money says it was because of race. Same goes for the higher the usual number of black vote. Later the young and black voters lost interest leading the way to repub control.

rons Thanks America
08/02/15 11:08 am

2008 was a race driven election.

bethanyq Ess Eff
08/02/15 11:10 am

If higher turnout by black voters indicates "racism," then the fact that in 2012 the white turnout went down for the first time in decades indicates something even more insidious.

Mattwall1
08/02/15 11:12 am

Ron-young people can vote too. Many probably did vote for Obama, but his stance on the economy and the Iraq War would've been much more influential with that demographic than his skin

rons Thanks America
08/02/15 11:18 am

Youth do think that way save a minority. They thought he was a good looking, glib, personable black man. Much else were a second though. Ever see the man on the street interview with them. Sad, very sad.

Mattwall1
08/02/15 11:21 am

Ron, no one is denying turnout increased. We are saying the increase wasn't some racist plot to elect Obama, or a bunch of people randomly deciding to vote based on his race and not his policy stances

rons Thanks America
08/02/15 11:52 am

Never said it was racist. I said racially motivated to elect him as the first black president. Many will say that the racist were the folks that did not vote for him. We're at a stalemate.

bethanyq Ess Eff
08/02/15 11:58 am

So what does "racially motivated" mean and why do you feel it's worth mentioning?

rons Thanks America
08/02/15 12:03 pm

Forgot what the poll was about.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
08/02/15 10:51 am

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smarttexan More Moderate Than U
08/02/15 11:40 am

I don't think it's truth that most Americans judge a race by one person. I don't think it's truth that Obama has done a poor job as president. I do think the only truth is that any person who lacks diplomatic skills is unfit to be president.

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08/02/15 11:42 am

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spicysteve M14D SBS
08/02/15 8:59 am

This is probably the worst thing he's said so far.

Knowing the GOP, I bet he'll be polling at 40% by Thursday.

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Think Lovin Life
08/02/15 11:35 am

Agreed, because unlike Democrats, Republicans value honesty.