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Mattwall1 August 1st, 2015 9:43pm

Holocaust deniers are nothing more than anti Semites without any intelligence or ability to process data.

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tsd715 New York City
08/02/15 7:11 pm

I will personally escort any Holocaust denier to Auschwitz. We'll see if they still deny solid historical fact if once they see a group of Israeli teenagers leading a tour group in a prayer for everyone murdered in Hitler's camps.

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GrandmaALiCE Rocky Mtns aerial view
08/02/15 9:17 pm

Tsd, I'm curious. When you were growing up in Germany, what did the schools teach about the Holocaust?

tsd715 New York City
08/02/15 9:51 pm

They taught the truth. Germans were taken advantage of by the Nazis and were in fact quite gullible when the Nazis promised them a good economy and convinced people that Jews were to blame.

tsd715 New York City
08/02/15 9:51 pm

Everyone is ashamed of Germany's actions during WWII and we were taught to be sure to learn our lessons from the past, while also forging a new, prosperous, and democratic Germany.

GrandmaALiCE Rocky Mtns aerial view
08/03/15 5:12 am

Did you see Chimama below?

I've had arguments in the past with him, about this subject. He said one time (to paraphrase), "I used to believe the historical account, but then I saw the real evidence. Do your own research."

That's not an exact ...

GrandmaALiCE Rocky Mtns aerial view
08/03/15 5:15 am

... quote. He is quite convinced there were nowhere near 6 million, no gas chambers and the Nuremberg trials were rigged.

He also believes, quite strongly, that belief in the historical version of the Holocaust undermines German pride.

GrandmaALiCE Rocky Mtns aerial view
08/03/15 5:18 am

I chastised him for this in the past and he became quite defensive. I honestly don't think he is an anti-Semite, just honestly deluded. (Of course, I could be wrong about that.)

tsd715 New York City
08/03/15 5:22 am

I agree. I don't think he is an anti-Semite. It's no use arguing with people that refuse to believe concrete historical evidence. SS officers have written and admitted there were gas chambers

tsd715 New York City
08/03/15 5:22 am

and you can see them with your own eyes at many of the remaining concentration camps.

tsd715 New York City
08/03/15 5:25 am

If 6 million Jews did not die, why did 6 million Jews disappear from the face of the Earth? And, about the German pride, I am quite patriotic about Germany as are most Germans.

tsd715 New York City
08/03/15 5:25 am

It's not a loud, blind patriotism like some Americans, but we love our country and would serve her as readily as an American would serve the US.We just feel awkward about expressing our patriotism out loud because of our bad history with nationalism.

GrandmaALiCE Rocky Mtns aerial view
08/03/15 1:10 pm

No, the number 6 million does not have any significance in Judaism.

tsd715 New York City
08/03/15 2:03 pm

Agreed. I've never heard of it having any special significance on its own (separated from the Holocaust).

GrandmaALiCE Rocky Mtns aerial view
08/03/15 3:04 pm

Here are some of the most significant numbers in Judaism.

18 - symbolizes life (to make a long story short)
7 - days of creation
613 -number of commandments

You can find obscure biblical references to just about any number, but the above ...

GrandmaALiCE Rocky Mtns aerial view
08/03/15 3:07 pm

... are the ones every Jew knows about and identifies with.

The Star of David is not a religious symbol, more of a cultural thing. I have never, ever heard of the number 6 million in reference to Yom Kippur.

GrandmaALiCE Rocky Mtns aerial view
08/03/15 3:10 pm

Sorry, that really was a typo. I've never heard of the number 6 in reference to Yom Kippur either.

ladyniner81 I need chocolate
08/06/15 11:54 am

Does he think the moon landing was staged & Bush was behind 9/11? SMH

MrsCrayonWax
08/02/15 2:22 pm

I've got a family friend with a digit tattoo up her arm that would like to talk to a Holocaust denier.

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MrsCrayonWax
08/03/15 2:21 pm

She is evidence though and can tell you first hand.

MrsCrayonWax
08/03/15 2:25 pm

I can see your point. Do you really believe it or gas chambers never happened?

MrsCrayonWax
08/03/15 2:30 pm

And the experiments and video and the soldiers who liberated the camps and the testimony of the ss. Nazis? I respectfully disagree.

trollthepoll Pro Choice
08/03/15 7:50 pm

Chim are you really a denier. Haha you're stupider than I thought

TheParthian Omaha, NE
08/02/15 10:36 am

The ones I've found don't deny it happened but that it was exaggerated to garner support for the creation of a Jewish State (Israel).

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Esha
08/02/15 6:26 am

Lots of people who weren't Jewish were killed too so no. 5 million. Disabled people, political prisoners, homosexuals, etc.

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Hooah Fmr. Zia
08/02/15 5:12 am

Wait no. No one actually believes that the Holocaust never occurred.

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cclarke26
08/02/15 5:35 am

There are people that do

Hooah Fmr. Zia
08/02/15 5:47 am

That seems odd. Are they damaged?

cclarke26
08/02/15 5:49 am

Most likely

Hooah Fmr. Zia
08/02/15 12:46 pm

If that's the case, they are factually wrong. ~6,000,000 were killed, and they're gas chambers.

Hooah Fmr. Zia
08/02/15 12:52 pm

Correction : ~6,000,000 were jews
~11,000,000 total

Hooah Fmr. Zia
08/02/15 2:44 pm

No there's not.

BetweenRivers
08/02/15 4:41 am

I honestly think the Holocaust deniers are the ones who are so deprived of attention that they have to ignore facts to make the world think they're a special little person. It works, but nobody can take them seriously.

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slickspin Heart of Texas
08/02/15 1:02 am

When a person reaches a conclusion, that is not based on facts, no amount of facts will ever convince them that they are wrong.

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GrandmaALiCE Rocky Mtns aerial view
08/03/15 5:40 am

Sadly, I think you are right.

17millionTwats Leeds, UK
08/01/15 11:31 pm

I challenge every last holocaust denier to actually visit one of the concentration camps, then see if they still deny it

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Praetorianus Fair enough.
08/01/15 10:10 pm

Ok, I usually listen to both sides of an argument and play devil's advocate. Still, this, among other documentations seems to refute holocaust denial thoroughly: archive.adl.org/holocaust/response.html#.Vb2kb2rD9SA

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Praetorianus Fair enough.
08/01/15 10:16 pm

The only even vaguely intriguing holocaust denial comes from a Jew btw, he uses population figures as argument: www.realjewnews.com/?p=943

rstatesmen2 equally unfair to ALL
08/01/15 9:55 pm

Endthefedfunny, wow too bad the ovens and gas chambers do you have digital counters to count every Jew that was fried or gassed. I really think it's ridiculous that we're going to argue over the number, it happened😈😎

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EndTheFediFunny Iowa
08/01/15 9:12 pm

There's actually a fairly strong case against the holocaust happening. Personally I think it did happen, but the extent of it was greatly exaggerated.

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MaxineL New Jersey
08/01/15 9:13 pm

Six million people were exterminated. How is that an exaggeration?

EndTheFediFunny Iowa
08/01/15 9:15 pm

I think that quite a bit less were actually killed. My guess would be around 3 million Jews.

EndTheFediFunny Iowa
08/01/15 9:20 pm

After the liberation of the infamous auschwitz by soviets, they soon created the gas chambers that the camp is know for. One of the curators for the auschwitz museum even admitted that. That being said, there were many reports of killings at this ...

MaxineL New Jersey
08/01/15 9:21 pm

It is documented that the Nazis killed six million Jews. They also killed another five million other "undesirables."

EndTheFediFunny Iowa
08/01/15 9:21 pm

camp, which provokes the question: How much was lied about after the war by the "survivors" of auschwitz, and by the soviets who direly wanted to make the Nazis look bad.

EndTheFediFunny Iowa
08/01/15 9:22 pm

Documentation needs verification. If it cannot be 100% verified, it can't be 100% believed.

Praetorianus Fair enough.
08/01/15 9:29 pm

Three million would still be a holocaust. Even if another million could be shaved off because they died of malnutrition or disease, two million is still a holocaust.

MaxineL New Jersey
08/01/15 9:30 pm

Yad Vashem has archives with total numbers of people killed by the Nazis. The Nuremberg trials also produced archives of these data. There are other libraries including the US Library of Congress with documents verifying this.

EndTheFediFunny Iowa
08/01/15 9:31 pm

I agree prae.

EndTheFediFunny Iowa
08/01/15 9:31 pm

And where did all of those sources get their info?

Praetorianus Fair enough.
08/01/15 9:36 pm

The Nazis kept lists. Anyone labeled as SB (Sonderbehandlung, "special treatment") was scheduled to be executed. I don't know however if the lists were accurate or complete.

MaxineL New Jersey
08/01/15 9:37 pm

The documentation comes from the Nazis own records which were presented at Nuremberg. The Nazis were very meticulous in recording data on all the undesirables they killed.

EndTheFediFunny Iowa
08/01/15 9:44 pm

I'm not denying that it happened, I'm just saying that it seems a bit suspicious that the most infamous camp that was known for gassings, never actually gassed anyone. It makes you wonder if there are any othe identical cases with other camps.

rstatesmen2 equally unfair to ALL
08/01/15 9:55 pm

Endthefedfunny, wow too bad the ovens and gas chambers do you have digital counters to count every Jew that was fried or gassed. I really think it's ridiculous that we're going to argue over the number, it happened😈😎

EndTheFediFunny Iowa
08/01/15 10:00 pm

Would you fucking read what I said before you cunt. I didn't deny that it happened, I said that the amount of people killed was exaggerated.

Praetorianus Fair enough.
08/01/15 10:21 pm

@End: sad, it's always the same: if you use certain emotive words in a hot topic, you WILL be misunderstood. People stop using their brain and only see a red flag.

MaxineL New Jersey
08/01/15 11:23 pm

End: please do NOT EVER use that language to me! It only proves your ignorance.

DerJlaw Minnesota
08/01/15 9:02 pm

No practical reason to deny the holocaust, but I wouldn't go that far.

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timeout Boston Strong
08/01/15 8:32 pm

The magnitude of what the Nazis did is just so unbelievable that many people just can't grasp that and refuse to believe it, even though it's well-documented and historical fact. I agreed but think it's more the side of ignorance than anti-somatic.

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franc New Jersey
08/01/15 7:01 pm

Usually just stupid.

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lcamino Florida and Georgia
08/01/15 6:34 pm

Either they have not been taught the truth, or they know and want to be hateful or provocative.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
08/01/15 5:24 pm

Uneducated, ignorant, uninformed, or even willfully unaware, but I don't see how that makes them necessarily anti-Semitic. Does being familiar with history make one necessarily pro-Semitic? No. There is no inevitable link.

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jayblake22
08/01/15 5:23 pm

I didn't know those ppl existed.

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jvberg Winter has Come
08/01/15 4:36 pm

I've never understood how people believe that the Holocaust never happened. It's just baffling

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smarttexan More Moderate Than U
08/01/15 3:49 pm

Or uneducated? Some around the world may not have been taught true history. That's likely the case even in the USA where politicians control school boards. Think about people living in theocracies or dictatorships.

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Mattwall1
08/01/15 3:56 pm

I had been thinking more along the lines of those in Western countries and not places like Iran-where they have all the facts and data

Praetorianus Fair enough.
08/01/15 3:28 pm

They seem to be sorely misinformed and self-brainwashed by extremely selective information gathering. Doesn't mean not intelligent. Intelligent people can hold incredibly unfounded beliefs of all sorts.

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Liberty 4,032,064
08/01/15 3:06 pm

I'll say that more are just anti-Semites.

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Liberty 4,032,064
08/01/15 3:06 pm

Should say "most" rather than "more"

ImageAccess
08/01/15 2:58 pm

I wonder if 100 years we'll look back on today's (man made) global warming/climate change advocates in the same way?

Those of us against the notion seem labeled into the denier category, with holocaust deniers. Meh. We'll see. Sorry for rambling.

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MrAngerer
08/01/15 2:56 pm

The holocaust obviously didn't happen.

MrAngerer
08/01/15 2:57 pm

The government is made up entirely of a reptilian alien species.

BusinessJustin Tamriel
08/01/15 3:02 pm

Truth. I worked in intelligence, I'm ready to step forward and attest that our reptilian overlords have successfully infiltrated the highest echelons of government.

14573 Scary Numbers
08/01/15 4:32 pm

ERMAGHERD ILLERMANERTY

BusinessJustin Tamriel
08/01/15 2:47 pm

Generally agree. Such arguments are without any basis and arguing against them only lends them greater validity than they deserve. I just ignore them.

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EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
08/01/15 3:10 pm

That's the rub: Idiotlogical ideology unchallenged can grow.

BusinessJustin Tamriel
08/01/15 3:16 pm

It can, but my patience only extends so far. I cannot argue, hopelessly I might add, against every asinine conspiracy that exists. Their credibility is already minimal, no need to provide them any reinforcement.