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cowtown2 July 31st, 2015 7:41pm

WA State Gov. Jay Inslee stands by PP, claiming extremist orgs are trying to discredit/defund them. So, the dissection of babies/fetuses & sale of body parts isn't extreme, but efforts to end public funding is. Which do you think is more extreme?

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elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
07/31/15 5:55 pm

ACA is *supposed* to cover these same services. It is time for them to make it on their own. If proven to be violating law, they should be prosecuted to fullest extent of the law & shut down entirely. I don't care to support them w/my tax $, tyvm.

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elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
07/31/15 6:21 pm

See links below to document why aborting human beings for stem cell research isn't even *necessary*.

MackGray Jiving and Shucking
07/31/15 6:53 pm

No one is aborting pregnancies just to get stem cells. The procedure is being performed for a multitude of reasons. Instead of discarding the tissue, some people choose to donate it to science for the good of humanity

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
07/31/15 7:17 pm

Irrelevant. Elective abortions are significantly greater occurrence than therapeutic abortion required to protect mother's health. There are very *specific* laws RE fetal harvesting & PP - from their own lips - are circumventing those laws.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
07/31/15 7:18 pm

End does not justify means. There are other - better - ways to achieve the same end.

genuflect University of Minnesota
07/31/15 3:15 pm

This "controversy" is like a tornado with all this spin put on it.

MackGray Jiving and Shucking
07/31/15 2:11 pm

Anyone who believes PP is selling baby parts is a complete fucking moron. The right is trying to defund an organization whose sole purpose is to provide healthcare to poor women. Cancer screenings, annual checkups, and birth control.

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MackGray Jiving and Shucking
07/31/15 2:14 pm

3% of what PP does are abortions. Never mind the fact that the abortions they do perform are in the first trimester when the baby is no bigger than a blueberry. This doesn't sound like a profitable baby part business.

MackGray Jiving and Shucking
07/31/15 2:16 pm

What is going on is instead of discarding the human cells, mothers are given the option to donate the cells to science. To cure all kinds of diseases like Parkinson's or paralysis. You know. Things like saving lives.

MackGray Jiving and Shucking
07/31/15 2:18 pm

The right has become the executioners during the Salem witch trials. Burning witches at the stake. They are fucking looney.

sdbrev210 The Pursuit of Happiness
07/31/15 2:47 pm

You and your debased mind clearly did not watch any of the videos. You are a pathetic genocidal idiot with your head in the sand, if you support Planned Butcherhood in any way. Wake the fuck up. Immorality has taken over common sense & human decency.

MackGray Jiving and Shucking
07/31/15 3:01 pm

Immorality? We're talking about scientific research. If you're so opposed to curing diseases, then stop going to the doctor. Just get sick and die.

Note: I'm not advocating you die. I'm just making the point that useful research is being gained

genuflect University of Minnesota
07/31/15 3:16 pm

Lol
"Just get sick and die." I know what you meant, and it just comes across as hilarious to me. I agree with you completely, person who is advocating for PP and whose username I forgot.

chickencookie It really is
07/31/15 4:17 pm

1st trimester? Many abortions are performed way beyond third trimester. They aren't any better then Gosnell.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
07/31/15 5:56 pm

Have you *heard* of the ACA? Planned Parenthood is officially superfluous & way past their usefulness.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
07/31/15 6:14 pm

It's been known since at least 1999 that embryonic stem cell research is unnecessary
capitolwords.org/date/1999/07/30/E1696-2_embryonic-stem-cell-research-unlawful-unacceptable/

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
07/31/15 6:15 pm

Adult stem cells *just* as useful; embryonic stem cells can be obtained *w/o* aborting donor via umbilical cord, placenta & amniotic fluid

MackGray Jiving and Shucking
07/31/15 6:48 pm

Elin- the abortions are not being performed for the purpose of procuring the stem cells. The abortion is being performed for whatever reason the woman has. Is it not better to at least have some good come from it, rather than throw it in the trash?

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
07/31/15 7:14 pm

*IF* "specimens" are result of "medically necessary abortion for health of mother" - not "this isn't convenient" reasons - that would *maybe* be ethical, but still unnecessary. Proper burial would be psychologically better for mom.

Ru12bseen Ignoring the Ignorant
07/31/15 2:08 pm

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TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
07/31/15 1:53 pm

Very good, ct. ✟

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cowtown2
08/01/15 12:37 am

Thanks for the share, Tom!

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
08/01/15 10:20 am

Thanks for the excellent poll! ❤️

Diogenes FreeMeBe
07/31/15 12:55 pm

He's simply towing the White House position.

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Diogenes FreeMeBe
07/31/15 1:00 pm

The PP President visited the WH 39 times after all.

cowtown2
07/31/15 1:25 pm

Yes, very true. I can't stand how far left WA leans, but was hoping politics would be put aside for once because what PP is doing is inhumane and disgusting. I was hoping all political parties would be on board with at least an investigation.

cowtown2
07/31/15 12:45 pm

It troubles me that the WA State Attorney General is not even going to do an investigation.

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sdbrev210 The Pursuit of Happiness
07/31/15 2:04 pm

Wel...debased minds think alike.

MackGray Jiving and Shucking
07/31/15 2:19 pm

It troubles me that you feel taxpayer dollars should be wasted investigating the legal donation of human cells for scientific research that will probably save your life one day

sdbrev210 The Pursuit of Happiness
07/31/15 2:24 pm

Illegal sale, you mean. Planned Butcherhoods own words. There was no donation about it. Either way, it's immoral, regardless if it's legal or not and should not even be under consideration.

MackGray Jiving and Shucking
07/31/15 2:26 pm

It's legal. When my brother and sister in law used in vitro there were excess fertilized eggs that they had the option to donate to science. They chose not to, but it's legal. PP was acting as nothing but a mediator to the donation.

MackGray Jiving and Shucking
07/31/15 2:28 pm

Any costs incurred for transportation of the specimens were passed on to the research facility receiving the specimens. That's all. No profit was made by PP.

MackGray Jiving and Shucking
07/31/15 2:49 pm

Should be is not actually illegal. So wasting tax dollars investigating this is irresponsible especially coming from the party that (laughably) aligns itself as the party of less government spending. Unless it's bombing brown people. Then spend away!

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
07/31/15 6:19 pm

I'd prefer my tax $ be spent investigating gruesome cannibalistic practices that are *entirely* unnecessary (see links above) & illegal -since they do, by their own admission - alter they manner in which they abort the fetus to preserve "specimens."

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
07/31/15 6:20 pm

Cannibalistic - the removal... from one product... in order to use them in another. In *this* sense: the removal of parts of a developing human being in order to use those parts for the benefit of another human being.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
07/31/15 6:20 pm

Inhumane - not humane; lacking humanity, kindness, compassion, etc.

MackGray Jiving and Shucking
07/31/15 7:13 pm

Elian- you're really stretching with these definitions. Would you call organ donation cannibalistic? They are taking from a human to benefit another. What about blood donation? Should we just let people die from blood loss?

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
07/31/15 7:20 pm

Yes, technically, organ donation is "cannibalistic," by definition. Difference is, donor makes that choice or has, at very least, had a *chance* to make that choice.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
07/31/15 7:23 pm

Who's stretching with "die from blood loss"? Implication is all/most abortions are therapeutic result of blood loss? I'd ask for stats on that but all you'd find are abortion-advocate based = biased.

MackGray Jiving and Shucking
07/31/15 7:30 pm

If you have severe trauma( like a car accident) you most certainly could die from blood loss without a transfusion. That's not stretching truth by any means. I'm just giving you examples where your rigid view is not always true

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
07/31/15 8:34 pm

What does transfusion have to do with tearing apart fetal remains from abortions to harvest "tissue"? Obfuscation & redirection reigns.

MackGray Jiving and Shucking
08/01/15 10:08 am

By your own admission, you are ok with "cannibalism" in certain cases. So your displeasure is not with cannibalism. It's with abortion. This PP rage is nothing more than finding a new way to disparage an organization performing legal procedures

sdbrev210 The Pursuit of Happiness
08/01/15 10:23 am

And that grotesque debased so called "legal" procedure needs to be changed as well. There is no right to kill in the constitution.

MackGray Jiving and Shucking
08/01/15 10:33 am

The Supreme Court ruled it legal 40+ years ago. It's legal. You may not like it. It's decided. I don't think corporations are people, but they are. We must live with these things. If you don't like abortions, don't have one

MackGray Jiving and Shucking
08/01/15 10:36 am

And just so we're on the same page, I too find therapeutic abortion to be grotesque and despicable. I just feel that decision is between a woman and God. Not her and her government

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
08/01/15 11:18 am

My issue w/PP is 1) I do not support elective abortions, for any reason, under any circumstances. There are a finite # of instances under which therapeutic abortions are *medically* necessary. This are not abortion services PP provides.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
08/01/15 11:19 am

2) PP is engaging in medical practices which are by most civilized standards barbaric, inhumane & arguably illegal - performing these "3%" abortions specifically to protect "specimens" for trafficking. If further investigation warrants - shut = done

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
08/01/15 11:19 am

This, & this alone, is the barbaric cannibalism to which I am adamantly opposed. 3) regardless either 1 or 2, there is no legitimate reason for taxpayer $ to support "3%" of abortions PP performs -

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
08/01/15 11:20 am

nor any *other* service they provide - given ACA ostensibly renders PP's services unnecessary as these services can/should be available w/o my tax $ support.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
08/01/15 11:21 am

4) They can/should get along *just* fine w/nonprofit & direct donations. I don't care if they continue *existing* or not as long as they do so *legally* which is a judicial matter.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
08/01/15 11:27 am

I simply do not choose to have MY tax $ supporting a political agenda to which I - & a growing *majority* of taxpayers & citizens in general - opposed.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
08/01/15 11:27 am

If one can view the full footage of the most recent videos - never mind the excerpts - & not feel ill, the problem is far more expansive than ideology.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
08/01/15 11:27 am

Abortion should include 4 ppl & 4 ppl only: mother, father, DR & the fact *all* 4 *will* answer G-d for the decision. My tax $ & the Gov - apart from violating law - doesn't belong in the mix. At all.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
08/01/15 11:31 am

If I were Queen, my edict would be, "human babies (fetus) shall not be sacrificed under any circumstances other than *irreversible medical* mortality of mother. In such instances, only action following deemed honorable/humane is cremation/burial.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
08/01/15 11:35 am

In no way - @ no time - did I, nor do I, support/advocate murder/killing living human beings to obtain body parts. To couch the discussion as such is a *gross* mischaracterization of my position, my argument, & the issue. "Foul"