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TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
07/30/15 6:53 pm

Let's see: Male, and Female. Yep, even in Common Core, that's exactly two. ⚤

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Sadaksari
07/30/15 6:53 pm

This is a very loaded question... I assume that since you asked that you are truly curious about what other people think. So, here it goes.

Sadaksari
07/30/15 6:53 pm

Variation in sex chromosomes happens more often than one would think, but they don't always effect the outer appearance of a person, such as XYY males or XXX females. Both of which occur 1 in 1000 and are virtually undetectable to the eye.

Sadaksari
07/30/15 6:53 pm

There is more than one sex (if sex is to reflect the genetic make-up of someone.)
When it comes to gender (if you take it to mean sexual appearance), then there are arguably three (hermaphrodites, females, and males).

Sadaksari
07/30/15 6:54 pm

If you take gender to mean "woman" or "man" to reflect stereotypical ways of dressing, ect, then there are no genders scientifically. The way someone dresses is covered under personality.

Sadaksari
07/30/15 6:54 pm

Just because you wear a dress one day and a suit the next doesn't mean you've crossed between man and woman. Man and woman should reflect your gender (female, male: hermaphrodites can just choose or refuse to use either).

Sadaksari
07/30/15 6:55 pm

SOOO, with male and female meaning sexual appearance, then transgender men would be males, and vice versa.
Like I said though, this is a very loaded question, and my opinion is by no means complete, but this is how I feel.
DONE 😅

Axl752 NY
07/30/15 6:25 pm

I'm guessing by your profile pic that you believe there are more than 2 genders?

BetweenRivers
07/30/15 5:56 pm

I see 5. Male, female, gender neutral, gender fluid, and agender

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AmericanWolf For the Benefit of All
07/30/15 5:55 pm

Actually... I'm a trigender pyrofox from the forest planet...

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rlands
07/30/15 6:16 pm

They need to make a TV show about pyrofoxes...

Apparently it can be a reality show

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
07/30/15 6:55 pm

I believe the correct plural is "pyrofice." Just like moxes >> mice.

rlands
07/31/15 4:27 am

No I'm pretty sure it's foxes...

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
07/31/15 12:36 pm

Haha! I snuck up on you and you took me seriously! "Moxes"? :^D

rlands
07/31/15 12:42 pm

You did 🙈 the grammar police also happens to be quite the jokester! 😜

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
07/31/15 1:44 pm

Gotta laugh now and then! Did you hear about the dyslexic agnostic insomniac who used to lie awake nights wondering if there really was a dog?

rlands
07/31/15 1:50 pm

😂 no I haven't heard that but it's a good one

Casper Deep inthe Heart ofTexas
07/30/15 6:24 pm

You have a right to your opinion.

This is still America - land of the free.

smarttexan More Moderate Than U
07/30/15 6:27 pm

Can judge doesn't mean should judge. Let people be who they are. It in no way impact my like what gender a person states they are.

smarttexan More Moderate Than U
07/30/15 6:27 pm

Can judge doesn't mean should judge. Let people be who they are. It in no way impact my like what gender a person states they are.

Casper Deep inthe Heart ofTexas
07/30/15 6:29 pm

I thought the question was in regards to how many genders there are, not which ones you liked.

smarttexan More Moderate Than U
07/30/15 6:33 pm

That's the point. If you say two, you're telling some person what they feel is wrong. Why do that? It's not your job to do that.

Casper Deep inthe Heart ofTexas
07/30/15 6:36 pm

A better question would be:
"how many bathrooms should a public building have?"

smarttexan More Moderate Than U
07/30/15 6:39 pm

Two. Let people go in a which ever restroom they choose. I have enough to do without worrying about who is in the stall. I'm a guy but the urinal kind of prohibits some from using it.

smarttexan More Moderate Than U
07/30/15 6:53 pm

It would be easier for the janitorial team to clean.

Casper Deep inthe Heart ofTexas
07/30/15 6:53 pm

I don't like any visitation in public restrooms.
Women I know don't care for bearded transvestites in their bathroom.
I'm not sure transgenders like transgenders in their bathroom.
Do they?

smarttexan More Moderate Than U
07/30/15 6:57 pm

I do use the restroom at work. I honestly have no idea on the transgender questions. It likely varies by person.

smarttexan More Moderate Than U
07/30/15 7:01 pm

I don't mind the work restrooms. Ours are clean.

Casper Deep inthe Heart ofTexas
07/30/15 7:04 pm

Mine are horrible.
It's just me & the illegals.
Women & customers get the clean restroom.

Korosensei Maine
07/30/15 5:39 pm

Depends how you quantify it there are two ends to the spectrum male and female and then there are gradients in between

rlands
07/30/15 5:41 pm

And even on the outside of those two! Not just between

Handstand .
07/30/15 4:37 pm

There are more than two genders.

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SticksandStones Stop fearmongering
07/30/15 4:27 pm

There is male and there is female.

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MrLucchese If curious, ask.
07/30/15 4:16 pm

Many more than two. Gender is different than sex, and both are different than sexual orientation.

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FlipFlopGirl Sic semper tyrannis
07/30/15 4:26 pm

I think gender and sex are the same thing, gender identification is different than gender/sex.

jayblake22
07/30/15 4:35 pm

Please explain? More than 2? If a man is trans you would say they are a female. That's still choosing one or the other. So elaborate please.

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
07/30/15 4:44 pm

This link, from the American Psychological Association, explains the differences pretty well. The second link I'll post explains them briefly, but it then explains the list of genders that Facebook allows users to formally post on their profiles.

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
07/30/15 4:46 pm

For example: I'm a straight (sexual orientation), gender non-conforming (gender), male (sex).

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
07/30/15 4:47 pm

If you have any questions after reviewing those links, let me know.

FlipFlopGirl Sic semper tyrannis
07/30/15 5:01 pm

You are male (XX) or female (XY), as I said gender identification is something else. I've never bought into gender conforming/non conforming. Do what you want! But genetically your sex/gender are determined. Identity is a different story.

rlands
07/30/15 5:04 pm

Ok so with gender non-conforming, that's like saying screw you society I don't care what you think "male" should mean in terms of my preferences and actions. I think having the APA define it like that makes it a bigger deal than it is...right?

rlands
07/30/15 5:05 pm

Like I guess what I'm saying is why do we have all these labels...it makes it more important than it is. Like do what you want to do and don't let someone put everyone in these little defined boxes.

FlipFlopGirl Sic semper tyrannis
07/30/15 5:07 pm

Gender conformity can be defined as behavior/appearance that conforms to the social expectations for one's gender. The medical (not psychological) definition of gender: gender - sex; category to which an individual is assigned on the basis of sex.

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
07/30/15 5:07 pm

Clearly, when you have people that can't differentiate between sex and gender, there needs to be formalization of the terms. Making applies labels to things in an effort to better understand and to control expectations. But that doesn't change the

rlands
07/30/15 5:08 pm

^but I think the word means it's psychological..gender is psychological, sex is medical
I personally don't think psychological is even the right word for it but whatever. If it's a social construct, my question is why try to make it even more of one?

FlipFlopGirl Sic semper tyrannis
07/30/15 5:09 pm

So from a medical perspective gender and sex are the same thing while gender conformity (or non conformity) is different from gender/sex. That's why I said gender identification is different than gender.

rlands
07/30/15 5:09 pm

But it's like a spectral, non-binary thing...if it's supposed to be an analog thing, why try to make it digital, ya know?

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
07/30/15 5:09 pm

fact that organizations such as the WHO, APA, Human Rights Campaign, UN, scholars and universities around the world recognize the differences.

rlands
07/30/15 5:10 pm

Also flipflop I think that's just semantics...I guess this whole question is...it shouldn't matter anyway.

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
07/30/15 5:11 pm

It shouldn't matter in the sense that people should be allowed to live their lives freely, and as they desire to, as this standing harms no one. Whereas forcing people to live in gender roles per their sex does cause harm.

rlands
07/30/15 5:12 pm

You're also just like giving people the terminology to say "I don't like this specific orientation"...if we wanted to stop that kind of thing id say the best way is to drop labels altogether.

rlands
07/30/15 5:13 pm

Also! No one even knows what all these things mean...it's like all the Eskimo words for snow, but more! Like do you really need all those? Are they even all that different?

And! Snow texture matters a lot more than if you're gender conforming or nt

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
07/30/15 5:13 pm

But like everything else, labels are used for two purposes; either to confine our understanding to what we believe something should be, or to expand our understanding as to what something actually is.

rlands
07/30/15 5:14 pm

People should be able to do what they want. But adding more labels isn't a way to put this topic in a healthier environment. Stop labeling people and just accept them without caring about what group they belong to. It's fragmenting.

FlipFlopGirl Sic semper tyrannis
07/30/15 5:15 pm

Gen·der (jĕn′dər) n. 1. The sex of an individual, male or female, based on reproductive anatomy. 2. Sexual identity, especially in relation to society or culture. So from a medical dictionary it's actually both. The second being a recent addition.

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
07/30/15 5:15 pm

Language serves many purposes, and one is to identify. For people to understand something, they must first be able to identify it. Labels allow for identification, for better or worse. I agree that avoiding the use of labels as a means to stop

rlands
07/30/15 5:15 pm

But there are probably things that aren't even currently labeled, aren't there? Then those people feel left out and they're discriminated against and it's all just a mess!

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
07/30/15 5:15 pm

learning and openness to a subject is undoubtedly negative, but if they allow furtherance of understanding or depth, that's positive.

rlands
07/30/15 5:16 pm

My thing is that we don't need to label, or to identify, because it doesn't matter!Who cares!!

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
07/30/15 5:17 pm

Yes, there are things of that sort, such as unidentified diseases, etc.

rlands
07/30/15 5:17 pm

Also sorry for interrupting you haha I just have a lot of thoughts. But I am reading everything you're saying 👍🏼

rlands
07/30/15 5:18 pm

Diseases? I mean gender attitudes. It's a very complicated concept as I'm sure you're aware. There's stuff that won't fit into these societally defined labels.

FlipFlopGirl Sic semper tyrannis
07/30/15 5:18 pm

I agree with Mr on the aspect of language. Words, terms, meanings and intents are very important in society. It gives reference for understanding. Language (semantics) is important to progress!

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
07/30/15 5:19 pm

I know. I was using that as an example.

rlands
07/30/15 5:20 pm

Also! Having those words is one thing, but people make suchhhh a huge deal about it...I find it ridiculous. Like k cool what am I gonna do with that information. Just in general, it shouldn't matter to anyone but you how you conform or don't.

rlands
07/30/15 5:22 pm

No but like diseases are way more digital, like I was saying. Each disease is its own problem, defined by symptoms that can be measured and gauged. It's like personality, we don't have like labels for personality types, cuz it's a spectrum.

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
07/30/15 5:22 pm

I agree with the point that it shouldn't matter how someone identifies, but as I mentioned above - labels have positive and negative aspects. They can limit, but they can also be used to facilitate understanding of a larger degree. For a person that

rlands
07/30/15 5:22 pm

It's how you are and gender identification has even less of an impact on other people than your personality does!

rlands
07/30/15 5:23 pm

It's like the same thing with race, I don't even know why people make such a huge deal about it...it makes zero difference what color your skin is! Like label it, that's fine, but it's such an actual non-issue...

rlands
07/30/15 5:24 pm

It's allllll socially constructed, and some social constructs are totally fine, but the ones that cause discrimination and hurt people in any way are not ok!

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
07/30/15 5:24 pm

feels a certain way but don't fit with anyone else, they can feel alienated; they don't have a group that they can point to and say "we are similar".

rlands
07/30/15 5:24 pm

So dont build it up! Drop it and move on, be what you wanna be and let everyone else do the same without trying to put people in these little boxes to describe them and frankly limit them to how society perceives them!

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
07/30/15 5:26 pm

Race, sex, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation -- they don't cause discrimination; humans discriminate based on them. Even if no official identification were given - people would go after the traits that those individuals exhibit. That's what

rlands
07/30/15 5:26 pm

But you have so many other aspects of yourself that are similar to others and that actually matter, right?

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
07/30/15 5:27 pm

a label is. It's a way of grouping similar people, thoughts or things, and they serve as a form of identification.

But as you're saying - that often leads to broad generalizations and people failing to explore who a person is beyond that one label.

rlands
07/30/15 5:28 pm

But if you don't have words for those things, they aren't as concrete...not having a word for something designates it as unimportant. Which it is! Like you wouldn't name your child "Child", you give it a name to show its significance!

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
07/30/15 5:29 pm

A person is who they are, but who they are is a massive conglomeration of labels. Some are biologically defined, some are socially defined, some are philosophically defined, and some are yet to be defined. Humans will always try to find meaning or

rlands
07/30/15 5:29 pm

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. I just think identification isn't necessary in certain areas of a person's attributes. Because identification leads more often than not with these things to fragmentation and division.

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
07/30/15 5:29 pm

to identify what something is on a larger scale.

rlands
07/30/15 5:30 pm

They do try to find meaning - that's absolutely how we are as a species. But we're also capable of going against that and making changes for the best. And I think this is one of them that's important in terms of acceptance.

rlands
07/30/15 5:31 pm

These terms are all new too...we did fine without them before, and humans didn't just start feeling differently about their genders. We don't need to introduce things like this.

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
07/30/15 5:37 pm

I don't see it as introducing anything new. I see it as taking what you already know exists and giving it a formal meaning. When you're researching or studying something, you have to simplify it down to a reasonable level in order to begin your work.

rlands
07/30/15 5:39 pm

What's the point in researching it though? It's just personal preference...it doesn't mean any kind of medical issues or anything. But I do see your point. It helps understanding. Which is a thing cuz it's such a confusing topic.

rlands
07/30/15 5:41 pm

As exhibited by tons of people who don't know how they feel or don't fit in any of those boxes. So I guess, if it brings a person clarity, fine. But don't try to label other people - that's not up to anyone else. It just encourages mislabeling too...

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
07/30/15 5:42 pm

The point of researching it, as with anything else, is to better our understanding as to what it is, what it's like for a person that possesses such traits, and really anything else that can be ascertained.

rlands
07/30/15 5:57 pm

Sure, I absolutely see that. And I guess you can't know if there's anything to be ascertained from it until you try to ascertain stuff. Just right now, it seems to be totally insignificant to anyone but the individual.

Psychoanalysis Analyze Everything
07/30/15 4:13 pm

I think two, including trans-gendered. Transgender female is still female to me.

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conservativevet
07/30/15 3:51 pm

Male and Female. You can't change from one to the other.

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krayzewolf New Hampshire
07/30/15 4:45 pm

Well you can, but it costs money.😉

conservativevet
07/30/15 5:25 pm

You mean chopping off your dick? That doesn't make you a woman.