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cowboy July 30th, 2015 4:13pm

Let's say someone, like a dentist, does something "controversial" on vacation and it goes viral. A group of unstable people find his address and phone#, and threaten his life, forcing him to close his practice and hide. Is this the "free market"?

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deist
08/04/15 9:41 am

Shinning a big bright light in an animals eyes in the middle of the night so you can walk up and shoot it from a foot away isn't hunting. It's spineless, lazy and cowardly. I have absolutely zero respect for this thug. I hope gets what he deserves.

Patriotzero USA
07/31/15 11:08 am

That has nothing to do with a free market...or economics at all...

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DeanGandley New York
07/31/15 8:21 am

Free market is money though

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PresWK Minnesota
07/30/15 9:13 pm

This doesn't even involve the market

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susanr Colorado
07/30/15 6:52 pm

All the comments trashing liberals for doing this are really pretty silly. Sure, it may be mostly people with liberal political views doing it now (although I'd actually question that), but exactly the same thing has happened from conservatives

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susanr Colorado
07/30/15 6:53 pm

in other situations

Bullying & making death threats can come from people of almost any political viewpoint.

It's not about politics. It's about being an asshole.

Diogenes FreeMeBe
07/30/15 5:18 pm

Liberal insanity!

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cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 3:55 pm

Well it's not.

Carolynn new jersey
07/30/15 4:49 pm

I thought free market meant no government intervention.

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 12:00 pm

It can't be both. Refusing to use his services and showing up at his home, with death threats, are different.

polster2 US
07/30/15 1:52 pm

Wait, so I can't show up at someone's house whose business I've boycotted? Not even for tea and cookies?

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 2:03 pm

That's called stalking.

polster2 US
07/30/15 2:03 pm

If they let me in, is it stalking?

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 2:06 pm

The only logical reason to let you in is to shoot you and say that you forced your way in.

polster2 US
07/30/15 2:07 pm

Why? I know several business owners personally, but I've never stopped by their store, only their house.

ladyniner81 no hope for humanity
08/02/15 11:53 am

Cowboy can show up to Obamas house for tea & cookies? Now THAT I'd like to see

kscott516 EB rules
07/30/15 11:04 am

The lion, that if he had a chance, would gruesomely kill you in a second and feed you to his cubs?

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Lance007 Libertas est super omnes
07/30/15 11:34 am

Actually lions tend to ignore humans, and the lion that was killed was a male. Males don't hunt for food.

kscott516 EB rules
07/30/15 12:12 pm

Go near their Cubs and see if they ignore you. Males are extremely territorial. They won't kill you for food specifically but because you were too close. Whether they eat you or not won't matter.

14573 Scary Numbers
07/30/15 12:28 pm

The guy lured the animal away from its home with bait. A natural predator can't be helped. A poacher should know better.

14573 Scary Numbers
07/30/15 10:58 am

Quick inquiry: We're the death threats delivered in person or sent from online?

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franc New Jersey
07/30/15 10:46 am

I would call it "Free Market Bullying"

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Brandon1995 San Francisco
07/30/15 10:28 am

Same thing. Bullying is an expression of freedom until it become physical. We have the right to be outraged over what he did.

DamageInc California
07/30/15 12:46 pm

So death threats are okay?

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 2:08 pm

Only when it's someone the Left disagrees with.

Brandon1995 San Francisco
07/30/15 2:57 pm

I never said death threats are okay. Cowboy asked if it's free-market. Making threats is free speech, but it's wrong.

susanr Colorado
07/30/15 10:17 am

Bullying & that kind of threatening is reprehensible no matter who does it.

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14573 Scary Numbers
07/30/15 10:55 am

I'd disagree. The target makes a considerable difference. Saying horrible things you'd do to Hitler is pretty alright to me.

conservativevet
07/30/15 2:08 pm

Hitler is dead. So it doesn't really matter if you make death threats to him.

14573 Scary Numbers
07/30/15 10:14 am

The guy lured a protected animal off of a reservation shot it in the back of the neck with a bow then stalked it for 4 hours tormenting it until it died. He then skinned and beheaded it.

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14573 Scary Numbers
07/30/15 10:14 am

I have a hard time seeing him as a victim

Laserbeam Crazy bird lady
07/30/15 10:20 am

"But but.. I thought it was legal" he says. Ignorance is never a valid excuse.

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 10:20 am

So it's ok to bully him and threaten his life?

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 10:24 am

How about the millions of poor murdered babies every year?

Laserbeam Crazy bird lady
07/30/15 10:25 am

Abortion is legal. If you disagree with a law, that's your own problem. Stay on topic.

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 10:33 am

I know, I know. You don't want to deal with your blatant hypocrisy over one dead lion.

Laserbeam Crazy bird lady
07/30/15 10:35 am

That works both ways, guy. You tell me abortion is murder but you're sticking up for the lion killer.

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 10:38 am

The dentist didn't murder anyone. There's no hypocrisy, on my part, here.

Laserbeam Crazy bird lady
07/30/15 10:39 am

Yep, because human lives are more valuable than other animals' lives, right? You're getting too predictable.

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 10:40 am

You mean you don't think so? That's sad.

14573 Scary Numbers
07/30/15 10:41 am

Ok so the topic is whether the repercussions of his poaching are acceptable (which as far as I'm concerned are fine). Abortion is another issue. One were I stand neutral so let's focus on the lion.

14573 Scary Numbers
07/30/15 10:42 am

I think comparing unborn lives to endangered animal lives is comparing apples to oranges. Focus people

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 10:44 am

The topic of the poll is whether bullying and threatening to kill someone, at their home, is the free market.

14573 Scary Numbers
07/30/15 10:50 am

It's free speech if that's enough for you

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 10:57 am

Mobs trespassing on someone's lawn, wanting to murder them, is free speech. Does that mean home owners can express their Second Amendment rights and protect themselves by mowing down the life threatening mob?

14573 Scary Numbers
07/30/15 11:06 am

You know the parameters of the first amendment. Peaceful assembly is assumed in my free speech. Also my battery is about to die and I'm 3 hours from home so we'll have to continue this later

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 11:09 am

There's nothing peaceful about a mob of Liberals.

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 11:09 am

Ferguson Mo. and the Occupy Movement comes to mind.

14573 Scary Numbers
07/30/15 11:11 am

Now that's a gross overgeneralization and you know it. Peaceful assembly is a Liberal classic. Hippy movements come to mind.

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 11:13 am

Peaceful assembly doesn't include death threats.

14573 Scary Numbers
07/30/15 11:15 am

Sorry I read that as peaceful assembly doesn't include death. Threats are different. He's getting horrible rhetoric for being a horrible person.

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 11:15 am

I know. They're threatening the doctor's life.

14573 Scary Numbers
07/30/15 11:15 am

100 degree heat index making me miss words

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 11:17 am

Ok. So the dentist can protect his life with the Second Amendment. Makes sense, right?

Laserbeam Crazy bird lady
07/30/15 11:19 am

He wasn't protecting himself. He paid 50k to hunt that animal down.

14573 Scary Numbers
07/30/15 11:19 am

No. If someone yells obscenities you cannot respond with bullets. However, if someone tries to make good on their threat then by all means.

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 11:20 am

They're on his front lawn.

14573 Scary Numbers
07/30/15 11:52 am

So they're trespassing. You know who else was trespassing? The dentist when he mustered the lion. Both are still illegal, but considering the circumstances my sympathy for the doc's struggles is minimal.

14573 Scary Numbers
07/30/15 11:52 am

Also he needs to just call the cops. They'll stop the trespassing.

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 11:56 am

So someone's rights are based on your sympathy? That's not how it works.

14573 Scary Numbers
07/30/15 12:21 pm

Never said he had lost his rights. He still has the right to be secure in person and property and if there's a violation to that then he may call the police to rectify it. I'm saying that I don't find him to be a victim in this.

14573 Scary Numbers
07/30/15 12:22 pm

He's guaranteed certain rights. He's not guaranteed my approval or support.

rons screw politicians
07/30/15 9:59 am

They should mind their own business and just sell body parts.

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Laserbeam Crazy bird lady
07/30/15 9:51 am

He knew the backlash that would follow his poor decision. He only has himself to blame.

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
07/30/15 9:57 am

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Laserbeam Crazy bird lady
07/30/15 9:59 am

Lol, check out the dumbass comparing poachers to homosexuals ⬆️

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 10:03 am

How could he know that what he did would be all over the world? He deserves to have his life threatened and go into hiding because Liberals are giving out his address?

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
07/30/15 10:03 am

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Laserbeam Crazy bird lady
07/30/15 10:05 am

Cowboy, that's like asking "how would I know the whole neighborhood would be pissed at me when I shot my neighbor's dog?" Common sense: only belongs to some.

Laserbeam Crazy bird lady
07/30/15 10:06 am

Nemacyst, I wouldn't wanna interrupt your conversation with your straw man.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
07/30/15 10:08 am

This user is currently being ignored

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 10:09 am

People game hunt all of the time with no news about it. He couldn't have thought that he'd have to run and hide, for his life, over this. No way.

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 10:11 am

So he thought that there would be an angry mob waiting for him on his front lawn? Really?

Laserbeam Crazy bird lady
07/30/15 10:16 am

Game hunters aren't usually stupid enough to kill a protected animal with a GPS tracker, take a picture with it, and then expect nothing to happen. Everybody knows you can only hunt certain animals at certain times of the year. It's never lion season

Laserbeam Crazy bird lady
07/30/15 10:18 am

So like I said, his stupidity is nobody's fault but his own. He knew what would happen. He doesn't live under a rock.

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 10:22 am

So now when anyone goes on vacation they have to stop and think about not pissing off Liberals? Sounds like a fun world...

14573 Scary Numbers
07/30/15 12:29 pm

Your defending poaching as if it's an ordinary everyday action. His "vacation" was illegal.

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 12:51 pm

No it wasn't. Not as far as he knew at the time. Zimbabwe has already arrested his guide and the land owner.

DamageInc California
07/30/15 12:53 pm

Yes, you CAN hunt lions. It was a legal hunt for which he had a permit.

The legalities of the case are that his so-called professional guides lured a lion off of a protected reserve. Please tell us more how it's illegal to hunt lions and rhinos.

14573 Scary Numbers
07/30/15 12:57 pm

He's had two past experiences of illegally hunting (including one time where he falsified documents to Fish and Wildlife) so you'll excuse me if I don't believe that he cared if it was legal. Also if you think you're legally hunting you don't try...

14573 Scary Numbers
07/30/15 12:58 pm

To destroy a GPS tracker you find in your prey.

DamageInc California
07/30/15 1:07 pm

Was pointing out to laser his false comments about lion hunting not being legal.

14573 Scary Numbers
07/30/15 2:08 pm

They used a dead animal carcass to lure the lion of the preserve before killing it. Baiting (which is illegal) also shows they knew about the reservation. This wasn't just another random lion and they knew that.

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 2:10 pm

I already told you that Zimbabwe arrested the guide and land owner. So what's the problem?

14573 Scary Numbers
07/30/15 2:29 pm

There isn't one. So long as he and the guides face proper due process and pay for their crimes I'm over this issue.

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 2:34 pm

Well I'm not familiar with Zimbabwe law, but the perpetrators have been caught. The DNC needs to call back their mob back and stop trying to distract people from the selling of murdered baby organs. That's a much more disgusting issue.

14573 Scary Numbers
07/30/15 2:36 pm

But you know they won't. Not agreeing with it just devil advocating.

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 2:39 pm

I know. They'll try and cover the Government abortion clinic as long as they can.

14573 Scary Numbers
07/30/15 2:42 pm

Don't undersell the other things PP does. They provide millions with affordable STD testing, Pap Smears, Ultrasounds, and many other health services. I abstain from the abortion issue but I support PP partially for the other services they provide.

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 2:44 pm

I know the Government script on the abortion clinic and what a lie it is. Thanks Josh Ernest. 😉

kermie gaytopia
07/30/15 9:37 am

Yes, it is the free market. That's why the free market is dangerous.

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cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 9:42 am

Wrong. They're whack job Liberals wanting to kill this man.

mikeey1962 on SOH where else
07/30/15 9:34 am

Just the media pushing their interests... Again...

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mc88 Cleveland OSU
07/30/15 9:30 am

I don't understand why people don't just mind their own damn business

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cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 9:47 am

I don't either. Liberals are always forcing their beliefs on people and bullying them into doing what they think is right. Even threaten death. They're really unstable people.

mamalisa California
07/30/15 10:49 am

THIS. I don't condone his actions. But get a grip people. Before they take the time to find this guy and threaten him have they made sure their own affairs are in order? How's their spouse and kids? How's their job? Taxes paid? House clean?

mamalisa California
07/30/15 10:50 am

My logic sounds insane but this is how I think. If everybody just took care of themselves and their own (family, friends, neighbors) our country would be so much better off. MYOB!!!

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 10:58 am

That's not crazy at all. That's how it's supposed to be as a matter of fact.

Ru12bseen Ignoring the Ignorant
07/30/15 9:23 am

Nope. That's not okay.

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rlands
07/30/15 9:15 am

I mean yeah...that's the consumers technically expressing their preferences without government interference so yeah it's the free market...but it's also bullying and death threats are never a good thing...

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cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 9:29 am

So which is it?

kermie gaytopia
07/30/15 9:38 am

You don't get it. A true free market IS bullying. They're indistinguishable.

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 9:42 am

You're crazy. Death threats and mobs standing outside ones home are not the free market.

rlands
07/30/15 9:46 am

It's both. I don't think they're indistinguishable, but they're absolutely not mutually exclusive.

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 9:48 am

It can't be both. Come on now.

rlands
07/30/15 9:51 am

Why not...? A free market is dictated in large part by consumer actions. And consumers can absolutely be bullies.

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 9:54 am

Because it's not, that's why. Any respectable adult should know this.

rlands
07/30/15 9:57 am

...I don't even think some guy getting death threats really has anything to do with the free market or lack thereof.

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 9:15 am

Poor guy is under death threats from Liberals. Apparently bullying is ok.

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screename1 Washington State
07/30/15 9:53 am

It shows how sick our world is. Too bad they don't find human life/unborn babies as sacred as a lion.

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 9:58 am

This is why Liberalism is a mental disorder. They can talk about dissecting a murdered baby in order to harvest their organs, over lunch, but this is over the line and they run the guy out of town with death threats. Crazy people.

Brandon1995 San Francisco
07/30/15 10:36 am

Don't be a hypocrite Cowboy. You love bullying gays and transgender people on this app.

Certified Trans Jew Nerd
07/30/15 3:46 pm

Cowboy is the best type of hypocrite. He wants to give rights to things that haven't taken a breath yet (PS I lean towards giving fetuses a chance) but take away rights from homosexuals who have been alive for years.

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 3:50 pm

"To things"

Certified Trans Jew Nerd
07/30/15 3:52 pm

You mean like gays are just "things" to you? Don't get off topic, actually speak and have a conversation.

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 3:54 pm

You're talking about gays. You stay on topic tough guy.

Certified Trans Jew Nerd
07/30/15 3:57 pm

You're just as bad as liberals (you get points for not hating guns like the pussies they are) by the way you derail a conversation.

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 3:59 pm

Well I don't believe, as you do, that humans are "things."

Certified Trans Jew Nerd
07/30/15 4:01 pm

Dude, I just call children things in general. I was projecting.

cowboy Here and There
07/30/15 4:06 pm

That doesn't help your case.