Due to Seattle increasing the minimum wage to 15 dollars an hour, employees are asking employers to reduce their hours to be eligible for welfare.
Actually it makes perfect sense there is a gap where you gain more money from having a bad job and welfare than you would by having a better salary and losing a source of income is hard imagine if your monthly budget was suddenly slashed by 30%
No spin zone? It was 5 people who didn't want to lose their subsidized housing. Great investigative journalism finds an anomaly to support a narrative.
Because all the good journalists write the story & then find the facts to support them...
Sounds like mostly BS, since the minimum hasn't ramped up yet - it's only about a buck and a half over what it was. I'd like to know more details about this alleged group of people who have asked for fewer hours to preserve their welfare status.
Holy crap the minimum here is less than half that
If you're paid poverty wages then more than likely you live in poverty. It's not that hard....for most.
Welcome Dems to the world that you've created. They don't even want a free pay raise. They just want their free crap that they don't have to work for.
While I don't doubt there will be a few cases of this happening, I don't think it will be the norm. Besides the biased source, the 'evidence' is circumstantial & anecdotal. Seattle is not Montgomery, it's spendy to live there.
In the past, raising the minimum wage does little to bring people out of poverty.
I'm lukewarm on the concept. How would you propose giving someone a path out of poverty?
By supporting a business friendly climate.
Be more specific. That's 'Fox Speak' code for eliminating workplace safety and labor laws, eliminating minimum wage, breaking unions and reducing taxes on business owners. All of that puts the working poor at greater risk.
You are incorrect.
How about reducing the costs business must endure to operate in this country. If you would eliminate business tax, they could hire more people at higher wages. With business taxes eliminated, they would at a rate that would cause them to compete for
Employees. They'd advertise higher wages and benefits to attract employees. We'd have to open the borders to get enough workers. Then eliminate income tax. More spending money money business.
The economy would expand like never before. You'd lift more people out of poverty than any welfare system ever.
You guys are naive, but I'll play your game for a minute. I consult with Fortune 1000 companies and help them screw over their employees to the maximum extent of the law. Reduced taxes have zero impact on employee wages. It goes into expansion
Bigger shareholder dividends and offshore tax havens.
Why do you think business takes profits offshore, taxes. If they could invest here and expand. They would.
I'm all for your ideas and would love to eliminate income taxes. But that has little to do with funding government and lifting people out of poverty. Apple has enough $ to make all their employees millionaires. They don't do it.
Expansion equals more hiring. Higher wages to compete in the marketplace.
Opening 5 new Mcdonalds doesn't raise the wages of anyone, it just creates 150 more shitty jobs.
Apple is a great place to work. But they'd hire and build factories here if the taxes didn't kill them.
Look at the billions they took offshore to protect it from Obama
Jobs. Jobs that any high school kid would love to have. Those aren't jobs for a dad trying to raise a family.
150 jobs is great for those that want them. Or would you rather they played video games on their moms couch
Or steal your crap for drug money.
There are >4m job openings in the US for people who want to work. My question was 'how would you propose lifting people out of poverty?' If that's your best shot, then I'm good.
Making them less dependent on welfare for one.
So, if there are 4 million plus job openings, and people would rather be on unemployment and welfare. Then that system needs reform. I believe that about 90% of people whose benefits end, get a job within a couple weeks.
And eliminating business taxes would allow companies to sell overseas and actually compete in the marketplace.
Because jobs that pay above poverty levels are just on every street corner saying, hey, cone get me. Your tickle down bs doesn't work. Never has. And if you think companies just started taking their money off shore in the last 7 yrs,
Then you have your own issues.
Ok, Mr. Socialist the government is my savior and can fix everything. How's it going?
Well My, it's not your conversation. But since your here, your $15 an hour that was supposed to save the day and make liberals look like heroes isn't good enough. They don't want it. They want to keep wages low enough to get free stuff from the guv.
The Pres. Only wanted $10.10. And you gave em $15. Now what? $25 to mop floors at McDonald's? Don't help someone with their electric bill because they're going to want to know why you didn't pay their rent.
Right, bc that statement was backed up with what? Facts and figures or your comments? And I voted on this poll, so yeah, I guess it is my conversation.
How did I help? I don't live on the west coast.
What do you need backed up?
And in Seattle's alternate universe: employers increase wages ahead if schedule for huge success: www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/seattle-eaterys-early-move-15-minimum-wage-rousing-success-n401666?cid=sm_fb
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Sounds like a tax loophole.
I've witnessed this personally. I watched a guy get a job offer for 18/hour. He got off the phone and told me if he takes the job it would cut into his food stamps. I told him he wouldn't need food stamps with that job. He said "I don't know,
I'll have to do the math." Such a shame.
Bc everybody is like that guy.....smdh
I have also personally witnessed this. I have family who are careful not to earn too much or they'll lose their welfare. Also, a bit off topic, but if the $15 min wage spreads beyond Seattle, people (myself included) will lose their jobs.
That article had so much hard data to back up its allegation that I was left breathless. Here, I'll write one too. In an unexpected turn of events, the higher minimum wage in Seattle is causing ring tailed foxes to urinate in trash bins.
Several areas have reported that some fixes have found that urinating in trash bins is helping them with their glaucoma which is being caused by the increase minimum wage. One facility confirmed I had seen these foxes peeing in
trash bins shortly after a Sasquatch had gone through it. True story.
If you use logic, this isn't far fetched at all.
The foxes or the people in the original article? 😏
I use logic a lot. My logic alert went off when the article made claims without quoting anyone or citing actual facts. Facts are cool. They help with logic a lot.
I love how democrats are getting super defensive about this! "oh mer gawd, people we are trying to help are abusing the system, it can't be true! Let's make a stupid point to try to distract people from the truth!"
Truth. You use that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
And who are you calling a democrat. I thought you hated being mislabeled a liberal. Now you're doing it? I see you've joined the ranks of your own enemies.
I got called a liberal by cowboy...totally different situation. You are saying there is not one single person who abuses the system? Come on, is your head buried that far in the sand?
Of course that's not what I'm saying. That'd be silly. The article implies its epidemic, however. That's the problem. The article is all implications and supposition. No facts. That's my only issue. If there's a real problem, I do want to know.
Ha ha ha
"I told you so"
Fix the welfare system and the problem is gone. Welfare was never meant to be a long term assistance program.
Doubt that would do much. The average net worth of a congressman is just over 1 million
Theory, meet Reality.
Again the model is not predictive and is thus proven wrong.
Seattle is just getting what they deserve. 😜
$15 min wage will be a disaster
"Some workers". It would hold more water if actual stats were used rather than "some workers".
What handstand said.
What Nemacyst said
What Jenna said.
What Nemmy said.
What Handstand said.
I've created a monster
What JennaF said
Some workers is a big talking point now. Even though they have no facts to back it in the no spin zone. As usual. Lol
Not living on welfare would be a dream!
The American Dream has changed greatly under Obama 😓
AHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!! Welcome to not living on the government! You wanted money? You got money. AHAHAHAHAHHAH!
So much for a livable wage and bringing "millions" out of poverty as Bernie Sanders has said.
True. This was very predictable to most of us.
Can you provide a link for those of us on the web version?
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